2024 French Open - Women's Discussion

Who will win the 2024 French Open WTA title?


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abmk

Bionic Poster
Just saw highlights of Paolini Andreeva. Good on Paolini for making the final, but even a just decent Iga is going to beat her easily. A good Iga will massacre her. Only chance Paolini has is he Iga doesn't keep her head. If Iga Swiatek keeps her head in the final, she is gonna take home a 4th French Open.

I guess Rybakina UFEing vs Paolini is to blame. We'd have had the chance of a decent final vs Swiatek otherwise.
 

Tennis Fan States63

Hall of Fame
Man, if Sinner beats Alcaraz and Errani-Paolini win their semi too, tomorrow, there's gonna be an Italian Finalist in all of M. Singles, M. Doubles, W. Singles and W. Doubles.

That's crazy.

Meravigliosa......

Caio....

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robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
I don't know what Coco should do with her forehand... But is it worth the risk of it being worse than it already is, which, again, has gotten her pretty far in the game.
Yes, it's pretty crazy how far she has gotten on great defense, and an above average (or strong) backhand. But I think that says more about the rest of the tour than it says about her. Also, she has had amazing draws recently, and has done well to consistent rack up wins against far inferior opponents.

I think if she doesn't change, she will become like an FAA of the women's game. Showing a lot of potential at a young age, all the physical tools to do well, but their game gets stagnant and they can't get past a certain level, despite getting older and more experienced. If anything, other players will figure them out more and more, making it even harder on them.

Also, they were talking about Gauff being at the Morotoglu (spelling?) academy as a 10 year old, and learning clay court tennis there... but it makes you realize how long Coco has been being prepped for a career as a top tennis player, and how deeply ingrained things like her forehand must be at this point. Hard to radically change a shot after so much time.

Davenport: “she wants to be a champion.”
Gosh, really? My life and career is playing this sport. I don’t want to be a champ. I just want to be a mug. Really, I’ll pass.
The absolutely stupid and asinine things this woman says….
Honestly, Davenport is one of the absolute worst. Nothing interesting to say, and her grumpy demeanor seems to come through the microphone. It's bad enough when they show her on camera for some of the studio shows, and she always looks miserable, but I don't need to hear someone who seems reluctant to be doing the broadcast. And god forbid she should get excited for a big point.

It's actually amazing how bad the overall level of commentary/announcing is on the TC feeds, compared to some other sports.
 

tennis4me

Hall of Fame
LOL, Sabinelisickifans at it again.

I am very curious about her FH problems and did a frame-by-frame step. My layman observation: very long backswing, a lot of wrist movements between backswing till contact, hitting surface facing (or nearly facing) back fence on backswing and requires a lot of rotation during the forward swing to eventually faces forward. She tends to hit the ball a little late - probably because of her long backswing motion.

In short, the opposite of simple, effective backswing. So many things can go wrong between her backswing until she makes contact with the ball. Very "wristy" FH.
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Honestly, Davenport is one of the absolute worst. Nothing interesting to say, and her grumpy demeanor seems to come through the microphone. It's bad enough when they show her on camera for some of the studio shows, and she always looks miserable

Davenport usually lurched around acting miserable during her playing career (unless she defeated certain players who got under her skin). That seems to be her psychological "center", so to speak.


but I don't need to hear someone who seems reluctant to be doing the broadcast. .

Well, to some tennis fans, she's still a name from fairly recent history (i.e. playing in this century), and she can use a check, so...
 

tennis24x7

Professional
NBC. McEnroe is not the best commentator, but he's better than Davenport.


If feel sorry for Zvonareva though. She sat in the stands to support Andreeva, and then Andreeva pulled out of their quarterfinals doubles match to concentrate on this match.
That is expected no one in their right mind would not pull out. Every tennis player knows that. They only play doubles for free money.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Fernandez
Collins
Pavlyuchenkova
Disagree with the first two.

Fernandez played the most epic tournament to make that final. Yes she's not been great since but if that's the barometer i'd say Raducanu was a worse finalist/champ since her run was crap and she's been crap since. At least Leylah took out Kanepi, Osaka, Kerber, Svitolina and Sabalenka back to back to back to back to back.

Collins too. Her run was great taking out Swiatek and look how good she's been this year.

Pavs? Yeah she was crap.
 

Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
Honest question -- Paolini one of the weakest potential slam finalists on women's side in a while?
She snuck up on a lot of people, even here in ITA, because the power of perception is hard to reverse, and most of us may subconsciously still think of her as this smiling little munchkin that doesn't really have a shot against a "serious" opponent. But the reality is very different, and her level has been extremely high for quite some time now. She has beaten A LOT of strong players over the past year or so, won big titles in both singles AND DOUBLES (which has clearly boosted both her tennis and her confidence), and has played all the top girls extremely close. Can't recall anyone walking all over her for quite some time now... She was also Top 10 in both the singles and doubles races coming into RG, so yeah... not exactly weak. And ultimately, anyone who would call her that must not be watching her matches...
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
I am very curious about her FH problems and did a frame-by-frame step. My layman observation: very long backswing, a lot of wrist movements between backswing till contact, hitting surface facing (or nearly facing) back fence on backswing and requires a lot of rotation during the forward swing to eventually faces forward. She tends to hit the ball a little late - probably because of her long backswing motion.

In short, the opposite of simple, effective backswing. So many things can go wrong between her backswing until she makes contact with the ball. Very "wristy" FH.
Yeah, it's long, and then often seemingly rushed. So, too slow in a way (because due to the length, it's taking too much time), but then also slappy, like she's trying to catch up to where she needs to be. Granted, she was being fairly dominated by the No. 1 player who is pressuring her immensely. But, still, it shows up in matches against lesser opponents at times.

I'm not a person who thinks everyone needs textbook strokes. But, no matter the stroke - even if "ugly" or not perfect - it has to be consistent and the player needs to have confidence in it. You can tell when Coco starts thinking about it.
 

Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
Man, if Sinner beats Alcaraz and Errani-Paolini win their semi too, tomorrow, there's gonna be an Italian Finalist in all of M. Singles, M. Doubles, W. Singles and W. Doubles.

That's crazy.
Currently also still alive in the semis of Boys Singles, Boys Doubles, Girls Doubles (...and Girls Singles, even though Tyra is currently competing under an American flag).

Crazy year.

Might still come away empty handed.
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
On the contrary.
I for one am loving this unexpected turn of events and think it will actually generate more discussion in this thread. :)
Looks like you were right, this place was absolutely pumping for that blockbuster SF of Andreeva v Paolini. I think I count less than 30 posts for that match. What a discussion and what a SF. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
The #12 seed makes a slam final for the 2nd straight slam.

#12 Paolini v #1 Swiatek here.

#12 Zheng v #2 Sabalenka at the AO.

You'd like to be the #12 seed at Wimbledon this year!
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
That is expected no one in their right mind would not pull out. Every tennis player knows that. They only play doubles for free money.
Are you being sarcastic? Both Paolini and Gauff are still in the doubles, and it didn't negatively affect them at all. As I said, the doubles probably would have helped her, because clearly she was a mental basket case for the match and could have used a distraction.

She snuck up on a lot of people, even here in ITA, because the power of perception is hard to reverse, and most of us may subconsciously still think of her as this smiling little munchkin that doesn't really have a shot against a "serious" opponent. But the reality is very different, and her level has been extremely high for quite some time now. She has beaten A LOT of strong players over the past year or so, won big titles in both singles AND DOUBLES (which has clearly boosted both her tennis and her confidence), and has played all the top girls extremely close. Can't recall anyone walking all over her for quite some time now... She was also Top 10 in both the singles and doubles races coming into RG, so yeah... not exactly weak. And ultimately, anyone who would call her that must not be watching her matches...
Ascpe'... ascpe'...

Forse sono soltanto un disgruntled Giorgi fan, who sees it as wildly unjust that Paolini has reached a slam final, when the clearly superior Giorgi never managed to do it, but I think I can still make an objective counter argument.

She lost her first match in Rome to Mayar Sherif. Mayar Sherif! She also lost to Emma Navarro twice this year (including a bagel in the third set in Miami), lost to Potapova, and got smacked around by Katie Boulter (who Giorgi humiliated in her final WTA win).

Her level has seen some pretty good highs, but I wouldn't say extremely high, nor consistent. She has had some amazing luck with draws, and in general (Rybakina pulling out in Dubai, and playing less than 100% yesterday) which she has made good use of, but I don't think she will be at this level come next year and the following year.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
We shouldn't feel totally bad for dear Mirra, honestly. :)
For her toils the past couple of weeks she'll be taking home a check (for singles alone)
of €650,000 = $700K US ~ $1 mil CAD.

Not too shabby I'd say for a couple of weeks' work. :)
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
We're guaranteed at least one brand new ladies doubles champ and could possibly have 2.

Paolini has never won one while of course her partner Errani has 5 from her dominant years with Vinci.
Kostyuk/Ruse have never won any, Ruse has never even won a doubles title!
Krawczyk/Dolehide have never won a ladies double slam. Caroline is funny, this is her 5th slam SF, she's made 4 more QF's and yet she has just 1 doubles title in her whole career.
And then we have Gauff/Siniakova. Coco despite having been #1 has never won a slam while of course Siniakova was part of the Czech dyansty.
 

tennis24x7

Professional
Are you being sarcastic? Both Paolini and Gauff are still in the doubles, and it didn't negatively affect them at all. As I said, the doubles probably would have helped her, because clearly she was a mental basket case for the match and could have used a distraction.


Ascpe'... ascpe'...

Forse sono soltanto un disgruntled Giorgi fan, who sees it as wildly unjust that Paolini has reached a slam final, when the clearly superior Giorgi never managed to do it, but I think I can still make an objective counter argument.

She lost her first match in Rome to Mayar Sherif. Mayar Sherif! She also lost to Emma Navarro twice this year (including a bagel in the third set in Miami), lost to Potapova, and got smacked around by Katie Boulter (who Giorgi humiliated in her final WTA win).

Her level has seen some pretty good highs, but I wouldn't say extremely high, nor consistent. She has had some amazing luck with draws, and in general (Rybakina pulling out in Dubai, and playing less than 100% yesterday) which she has made good use of, but I don't think she will be at this level come next year and the following year.
Not sarcastic, Paolini needs all the money. She is on the, closer to retirement phase of her career. Mirra has all the time in the world.
 

HarveyPitnik

Professional
Two Czech girls beat two yanks today in the girls semis and so it's all Czech-final like it was two years ago. Funnily enough the other losing player from USA has name of Penickova which is very Czech sounding indeed. (And also very hilarious for us Finns as 'kova' means same as 'hard' in our language! :laughing: )
Slovak Jamrichova that has been clear number one lately lost in the QF to the other Czech finalist Tereza Valentova (that I see as favorite in the final despite her considerably lower ranking than the opponent) The other finalist is Laura Samson.
 

Mark-Touch

Legend

Majorly pissed off - just listen to her, she didn't realize the reasons. She imagined an automatic win.
Funny how two people can watch the exact same video and come away with a completely different impression of it. :)
She didn't seem "Majorly pissed off" to me. Disappointed? Sure.
Wouldn't you be? Wouldn't anyone be? She was smiling a lot.

She knows much better than you "the reasons" she lost. She doesn't have to spell each one of them out.
Don't push your thoughts into her head. You don't know what she imagined!
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Funny how two people can watch the exact same video and come away with a completely different impression of it. :)
She didn't seem "Majorly pissed off" to me.

You may want to watch 2:31 - 3:57 in the clip above where she describes the inner states through which she still goes after a significant [for her] defeat.
 
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tennis4me

Hall of Fame
Mirra's post-match interview ...

What a pleasant, composed, mature 17yo. One of the few interviews where we get to hear candid, not canned answers. And wow, her English is so good - supposedly she just learned it about 6 years ago. She does not even live in the US or other English-speaking countries, but in Cannes.

I know who I will be watching (and rooting) in the years to come. What an uplifting, refreshing young talent!
 

HarveyPitnik

Professional
Two Czech girls beat two yanks today in the girls semis and so it's all Czech-final like it was two years ago.
Czech finalist Tereza Valentova (that I see as favorite in the final despite her considerably lower ranking than the opponent) The other finalist is Laura Samson.
Have to correct myself: even though there were 3 Czechs in the girls semis two years ago, only one in the final. I remembered the final was Lucie Havlickova vs. Sara Bejlek, but that was the other semi and final was Havlickova beating Solana Sierra of Argentina.

Krhm, but was I right about Valentova?! :cool:
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
As always, the updated list of majors winners since 2010:

Schiavone: FO - 2010

Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011

Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014

Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014

Stosur: USO 2011

Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014

Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013

Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013

Pennetta: USO 2015

Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018

Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017

Ostapenko: FO 2017

Stephens: USO 2017

Wozniacki: AO 2018

Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019 and 2021

Barty: FO 2019, Wimbledon 2021 & A0 2022

Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019

Andreescu: 2019 USO

Kenin: AO 2020

Krejčíková: FO 2021

Raducanu: USO 2021

Świątek: FO 2020 & 2022, 2023, 2024 & USO 2022

Rybakina: Wimbledon 2022

Sabalenka: AO 2023

Vondroušová: Wimbledon 2023

Gauff: USO 2023

Sabalenka: AO 2024
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
so it is over for 4 months, now we will see again her GREATNESS at october or something when the conditions will suit her, thank god
Uh, you know Iga will be playing to win Olympic Gold on these same clay courts in less than 2 months, right?
 

Mark-Touch

Legend
Kudos to Paolini, she played very well. *

* For the first couple games.
She can always make up for the loss by winning the doubles slam tomorrow. :)
And she's a million bucks richer too!
And she can tell her grand kids she played the mighty Swiatek in a slam final. :)
 
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