2024 Miami Open ATP Master's 1000 SF - [3] Daniil Medvedev (RUS) v/s [2] Jannik Sinner (ITA)

[NaDjoFed]

I don't think Sinner will win RG this year, but agree he could / will have a nice CC season.
He's feeling his oats..

Yes I would say that Alcatraz is the favourite in RG. But who else can win it? Djokovic is getting old and tired, Tsitsi is just terrible, Rune is down. Zverev? Ruud?

 

[Vincent-C]

Yes I would say that Alcatraz is the favourite in RG. But who else can win it? Djokovic is getting old and tired, Tsitsi is just terrible, Rune is down. Zverev? Ruud?

Well I've called FO24 for Zedrot, fwtw.

 

[Vincent-C]

You think he can win triple digit slams?

3 Grand Slams = winning every Major for three calendar years straight.
When words or their meanings are changed on you, watch out-
you're about to get phucked.

Young people these days..

 

[GRASScaraz]

Alcaraz vs Sinner five setter at RG will be special

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Pressers for anyone who cares... Both players touched upon a number of points we were discussing above @mike danny

 

[Vincent-C]

Pressers for anyone who cares... Both players touched upon a number of points we were discussing above @mike danny

Remarkably candid (and personable here, though that's less important to me) from Medvedev. Good points from him re Sinner's serve. I'm still trying to figger out why he gets so much dislike.

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

Remarkably candid (and personable here, though that's less important to me) from Medvedev. I'm still trying to figger out why he gets so much dislike.

Well he ain't that personable or charming on court... but definitely always pleasant and interesting behind the mike. I personally don't have an issue with him, and often find myself rooting for him.

 

[Vincent-C]

Well he ain't that personable or charming on court... but definitely always pleasant and interesting behind the mike. I personally don't have an issue with him, and often find myself rooting for him.

+1

One of the first words Sinner used was "solid" re his play today, which reminds me a little of Connors.
Obviously he's not the hothead Connors was, but I like his approach and mindset (as far as can be seen)
a lot. He'll be around awhile.

 

[robyrolfo]

He did, as I said, and was understandably feeling the moment. But Med also played great - and caught him off guard with the totally uncharacteristic all-out attack plan.

Yes, Med came out with a good strategy, and executed it well. But I don't think most people outside of Italy realize how much pressure was put on the poor kid by his home country. Even now, the Corriere dello Sport website has the top 5 or so stories about Sinner, which just makes me cringe. They really need to let the kid breathe. He's not Valentino Rossi (who loved the limelight, and was a natural in it).

At this point, I kind of want to see another one on clay...

I doubt Rafa wants to see him on clay. Even if Rafa thinks/knows his clay game is better, he will be aware that he has to work really, really hard physically to beat Sinner, and I think that scares him more than anything right now.

Remarkably candid (and personable here, though that's less important to me) from Medvedev. Good points from him re Sinner's serve. I'm still trying to figger out why he gets so much dislike.

Yes, something about Medvedev off the court is super easy to like. He's funny, and honest, and seems to have a goo perspective on things. He has charisma.

On the court, he's a 'do whatever it takes to win' type, and sometimes it turns ugly. That said, some of his conversations with umpires have been pretty amusing, and I don't mind when he does it against guys that deserve it (in my opinion) like Zverev and Rune. Would love to see him "troll" Kygrious really hard sometime, but who knows if that clown will ever show up again.

 

[mike danny]

You guys need to sit at the same table as @Kralingen.

 

[junior74]

How can I put it... ? Lol.

CIE on full display.

 

[tudwell]

In this match, for example, I got the impression he was purposefully rallying hard down the middle a lot, just trying to take away the angles, and probably feeling like he had the edge as far as pure pace and solidity from the back (which he obviously did).

Honestly that was the most impressive thing about this match to me. Guys like Nadal, Djokovic, and Alcaraz have had very dominant performances against Meddy, but it usually involved a lot of serve-volley, slicing and dicing, drop shots, and so forth to get Med out of his comfort zone. Here Sinner basically played safe, conservative baseline patterns and was comprehensively better than Medvedev. Partly just a bad day from Meddy, I’m sure, but I also feel (to your point) that Sinner did a lot of the work in the last few matches. Med came in with patterns to counter Sinner playing more aggressive, all-court tennis and instead hit himself out of a match where Sinner played fairly safely.

 

[NeutralFan]

It is a specific matchup problem, as I said.

Berdych can generate pace better than Sinner of the forehand out of no pace balls and has better serve and serve+1. He also hits flatter and with absurd depth and returns Federer’s serve particularly well for some reason.

You can’t just transfer this matchup to Sinner’s case because they are not actually similar.

Lmao, ttw and Hypothetical scholars. Berdych also moves slower than Sinner and Sinner can make less errors than Berdych , is more clutch. Fed had been champion of Hypotheticals I know but there's no way to know what will happen in Hypotheticals. Sinner has more power and is a better player than Murray to hurt Fed , also a better BH than Berdych and has more accuracy, spin.

 

[NeutralFan]

No people say Murray is greater right as of now which he is. Not that Sinner can't be greater I think it is agreed Sinner will pass Murray eventually by most at this point.

Murray's whole career was better than Fed at 22 so what's your point? Sinner has no weakness like Murray. As i said Comparing Sinner is like Comparing Mbappe with Theo Walcott.

 

[insideguy]

I dont want to be a jerk here but are there people out there that actually enjoy watching Medvedev play tennis? I mean when I see him playing I just turn the channel. I literally dont even care who he is playing. And I dont dislike the dude but he is about as interesting to watch play, as paint drying.

 

[ghostofMecir]

He's made several adjustments - in his first couple of wins he was serve & volleying a ton, going for the short angles to get Med out of his comfort zone, and overall just forcing himself to up the aggression to the max. But as Sinner always says, it's a constant chess game, made of adjustments and counter-adjustments. In this match, for example, I got the impression he was purposefully rallying hard down the middle a lot, just trying to take away the angles, and probably feeling like he had the edge as far as pure pace and solidity from the back (which he obviously did).

Then, of course, Sinner's game has just overall grown in every area of the game, starting from the serve.

Still, I continue to feel the mental component is paramount, and once that psychological dynamic started to shift, it was always gonna be tough for Med. In fact, I just heard Sinner's interview on Italian TV, and he stressed how he really wanted to start strong in both sets. That to me validates what I was saying above - i.e.he knows that he is now in Med's head and that it will all be downhill if he can just step onto his throat right away.

I’m really impressed by his mental game and how he quickly adjusts and makes changes; you can see him on court thinking and strategizing. It’s just highly impressive. He’s also added some new wrinkles into his game, including finishing points off at net. You see a lot of these matches this year that sinner basically takes over in the first three or four games in which he’ll take advantage of breakpoint opportunities and break, while often playing some shaky service games, giving us opponents, breakpoint, but not allowing them to break.

 

[FeroBango]

There always seem to be a rush to declare one player or another virtually unbeatable on the back of a run of great form, and the future dominant force. Happens on this board time and again. Tennis isn’t predictable that way. They all lose, regularly.

Pretty nauseating really.

 

[Move]

I dont want to be a jerk here but are there people out there that actually enjoy watching Medvedev play tennis? I mean when I see him playing I just turn the channel. I literally dont even care who he is playing. And I dont dislike the dude but he is about as interesting to watch play, as paint drying.

He is a very clever and very tough to beat player on HC. As Jannik told in his presser, the first 6 losses forced him to become a better player. I agree his playing style and technique is not so pleasant for the eyes.

 

[neytron]

There always seem to be a rush to declare one player or another virtually unbeatable on the back of a run of great form, and the future dominant force. Happens on this board time and again. Tennis isn’t predictable that way. They all lose, regularly.

Yes, 4 current best players are approximately equal and only the current form decides the result. Sinner was quite lucky that his rise came during declines of Djokovic, Medvedev and Alcaraz (before IW). Soon everything may turn upside down.

 

[neytron]

I dont want to be a jerk here but are there people out there that actually enjoy watching Medvedev play tennis? I mean when I see him playing I just turn the channel. I literally dont even care who he is playing. And I dont dislike the dude but he is about as interesting to watch play, as paint drying.

He is one of the most interesting players. I like watching his tactical rallies, he often has unexpected moves. It's more boring for me to watch Sinner's game. And I don't think he's that defensive, it's just that his attacking shots aren't very strong and the opponents make forced errors. The number of winners in his case is not very indicative.

 

[RS]

Murray's whole career was better than Fed at 22 so what's your point? Sinner has no weakness like Murray. As i said Comparing Sinner is like Comparing Mbappe with Theo Walcott.

The slight overhyping is my point. There are people who think Sinner at this point is up there with a prime big 3.

 

[Rovesciarete]

Forcing both Djokovic and Medvedev to switch from mostly high-percentage defensive tennis to big attacking aggression must be one of the greatest tricks a Sinner has ever pulled off.

 

[guga_fan]

Lmao, ttw and Hypothetical scholars. Berdych also moves slower than Sinner and Sinner can make less errors than Berdych , is more clutch. Fed had been champion of Hypotheticals I know but there's no way to know what will happen in Hypotheticals. Sinner has more power and is a better player than Murray to hurt Fed , also a better BH than Berdych and has more accuracy, spin.

I am not the one that started talking about Berdych as a reference for anything. He is a fringe matchup case and hardly a reference for anything, as he wins points in different ways than Sinner.

What I don’t find hard to believe though is that it takes much thought to regard 2010 AO Federer as absolute favorite against Sinner, who in his GOAT-level period lost his big final against 36-year old Djokovic, was match point down against same player weeks later, was 2 set down to Medvedev in AO final and lost to Alcaraz in IW. This, considering just the last 4 or 5 tournaments he played in the absolute best period of his career.

Somehow, people (but mostly 2 or 3 posters here who might share the same ID) are lauding Sinner as an ATG much better than Murray based on this small time frame where he played very few opponents that played at high level and in two of the cases lost to the ones that did.

 

[NeutralFan]

The slight overhyping is my point. There are people who think Sinner at this point is up there with a prime big 3.

There's no way to know it imo ,that's a subjective opinion.

 

[NeutralFan]

I am not the one that started talking about Berdych as a reference for anything. He is a fringe matchup case and hardly a reference for anything, as he wins points in different ways than Sinner.

What I don’t find hard to believe though is that it takes much thought to regard 2010 AO Federer as absolute favorite against Sinner, who in his GOAT-level period lost his big final against 36-year old Djokovic, was match point down against same player weeks later, was 2 set down to Medvedev in AO final and lost to Alcaraz in IW. This, considering just the last 4 or 5 tournaments he played in the absolute best period of his career.

Somehow, people (but mostly 2 or 3 posters here who might share the same ID) are lauding Sinner as an ATG much better than Murray based on this small time frame where he played very few opponents that played at high level and in two of the cases lost to the ones that did.

I talked about Berdych since he could do damage because he had Weapons and power like Sinner do the damage , something Murray never had in slams against Fed. Sinner is much better than Murray remind me when Murray had a such a great start of the season or went on such a streak of win against top5? Losing just two matches in almost 6-7 months?

 

[guga_fan]

I talked about Berdych since he could do damage because he had Weapons and power like Sinner do the damage , something Murray never had in slams against Fed. Sinner is much better than Murray remind me when Murray had a such a great start of the season or went on such a streak of win against top5? Losing just two matches in almost 6-7 months?

My main point is that these comparisons are pointless, because Murray played in a very specific point in time, being the same age as Nadal and Djokovic.

As I said before, try to visualize which GSs or even Masters Sinner could win from 2008 to 2012.

Take it from what Dimitrov said last night:

I don’t find this era particularly weak, but the era in which Murray grew up was an unusually strong one.

 

[mfoolb]

Well.. there were three consecutive wins before that.. but ok, you got always to prove something.

I guess he proved it.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Remarkably candid (and personable here, though that's less important to me) from Medvedev. I'm still trying to figger out why he gets so much dislike.

In earlier years I hated Med's game but liked him for his humor, honesty, snarky remarks and his cool wife and cute baby. Now I still hate his game but don't like Meddy anymore after he acting like a little girl when Rune hit a ball at him at net which didn't even graze him! Sorry, but that's weak sauce from a grown man. Then demanded an apology, kept up the feud at the net with Rune and mocked Holger's short shorts. Meddy on my sh-t list forever now and I'm on team Kralingen when it comes to nasty Med. I'm sick and tired of his ridiculous return position and weirdly agonizing mechanics on his strokes. I will admit he gives great, inciteful interviews though. Will not root for him again.

https://www.tennis.com/news/videos/...-to-holger-rune-s-tighter-kit-at-indian-wells

 

[Vincent-C]

In earlier years I hated Med's game but liked him for his humor, honesty, snarky remarks and his cool wife and cute baby. Now I still hate his game but don't like Meddy anymore after he acting like a little girl when Rune hit a ball at him at net which didn't even graze him! Sorry, but that's weak sauce from a grown man. Then demanded an apology, kept up the feud at the net with Rune and mocked Holger's short shorts. Meddy on my sh-t list forever now and I'm on team Kralingen when it comes to nasty Med. I'm sick and tired of his ridiculous return position and weirdly agonizing mechanics on his strokes. I will admit he gives great, inciteful interviews though. Will not root for him again.

https://www.tennis.com/news/videos/...-to-holger-rune-s-tighter-kit-at-indian-wells

Thanks for all that background info, BeatlesFan.

 

[RS]

There's no way to know it imo ,that's a subjective opinion.

I would say it's pretty obvious for now but sure nvm

 

[NeutralFan]

I would say it's pretty obvious for now but sure nvm

Unless you bring prime big 3 and make them play it will be a mere speculation. If you're talking about x played like this vs y so he should crush Z I am not buying this logic.

 

[RS]

Unless you bring prime big 3 and make them play it will be a mere speculation. If you're talking about x played like this vs y so he should crush Z I am not buying this logic.

By this nearly everything is speculation even Nadal on clay and there would be almost no discussion at all but we do have conclusions we can draw from. Obviously no time machine to match up x and y from chosen that's impossible.

 

[NeutralFan]

By this nearly everything is speculation even Nadal on clay and there would be almost no discussion at all but we do have conclusions we can draw from. Obviously no time machine to match up x and y from chosen that's impossible.

Yes it is if you compare Nadal to upcoming greats then Achievement should be seen in the context. No discussion will be impossible, fans across the sports, politics and other fields keep discussing hypotheticals. My favourite Hypothetical across all field is British Empire vs Mongol Empire.

 

[RS]

Yes it is if you compare Nadal to upcoming greats then Achievement should be seen in the context. No discussion will be impossible, fans across the sports, politics and other fields keep discussing hypotheticals. My favourite Hypothetical across all field is British Empire vs Mongol Empire.

I agree some hypotheticals are pointless. It's just fun at the end the day.

Sure with Nadal if someone gets at least close to it. Which seems unlikely but you never know..