2024 Miami Open ATP Master's 1000 SF - [3] Daniil Medvedev (RUS) v/s [2] Jannik Sinner (ITA)

[InsuranceMan]

I’m going to use it more

Sounds like a terribly obnoxious idea

 

[InsuranceMan]

@Baseline_Bungle I see you in here, did you happen to watch the match? What happened out there?

 

[Phenomenal]

Sinner is more powerful because all players today are more powerful. Even Djokovic today has beefed up his forehand. Medvedev has beefed up his game. It happens.

Djokovic was never having this much power as Sinner easily but he was still very powerful.

I find early or 2011 Djokovic to be quite powerfull but yeah probably not Sinner level.

 

[guga_fan]

I was joking there. I believe Sinner will be better player than Djokovic on day conditions. But obviously Djokovic is better and have many other plusses.

Sinner needs to win 10+ HC slam to be in conversation with Djokovic. But to his plus he is more powerfull specially compared to later versions of 2011 Novak and i think he is better at day and doesn't struggle like Djokovic.

Very hard to compare just for day conditions. Djokovic has a great record against Big4 at the sunshine double and most of those were day matches.

Comparing Sinner to Djokovi, in 2011 is just silly. Sinner would have stoped at the AO semis in that 41 match streak, and then be beaten repeatedly by Federer and Nadal in subsequent tournaments.

Being powerful is only one aspect of the game.

 

[mike danny]

It all depend on your competition and also but how much strong he is. Tbh it's early but i don't believe Alcaraz or Sinner to reach 20 slams. But in their best conditions they can be one of the best.
It's long way and you need to be consistent healthy etc.

USO seems to be the most open slam, so let's see what will happen.

Maybe someone will defend it for a change LOL.

 

[dking68]

USO seems to be the most open slam, so let's see what will happen.

Maybe someone will defend it for a change LOL.

37 year old Djokovic won’t win any slams this year. Sinner will win his second GS title this year - the question is where? Wimbledon? Or USO?

 

[Phenomenal]

USO seems to be the most open slam, so let's see what will happen.

Maybe someone will defend it for a change LOL.

Yeah I was expecting Alcaraz to defend this year.

 

[neytron]

Med can still remain in the top 5 by being consistent. But he seems to have traded a higher level for this consistency because he seems to be the underdog against every top player he plays.

He had to improve on his return due to his poor serve. This seems to work better against other players.

 

[Vincent-C]

Sinner is really powerful. He just has everything to be an ATG

..except an all-court game. How many times did he get to net today? I like Carrot a lot, but no hagiography, please.

 

[Phenomenal]

USO seems to be the most open slam, so let's see what will happen.

Maybe someone will defend it for a change LOL.

Nadal was quite good at USO last decade but couldn't try to defend due to misses.

 

[dking68]

..except an all-court game. How many times did he get to net today? I like carrot a lot, but no hagiography, please.

He went to the net quite a few times sir. Clearly you haven’t been watching the match

 

[mike danny]

Nadal was quite good at USO last decade but couldn't try to defend due to misses.

Yes, he was quite good, but still sparsely won it.

 

[nolefam_2024]

..except an all-court game. How many times did he get to net today? I like carrot a lot, but no hagiography, please.

He does not need to just like Nole didn't need to post 2011.
When you are at your best physically, and have such a consistent and repeatable game, there is little incentive to come to the net.
I don't know why he needs ALL COURT game at age 22. He can develop that when he is 30.

 

[dking68]

@nolefam_2024 who do you think was better? Sinner 2024 or Federer 2004 at Indian Wells/Miami

 

[Phenomenal]

It's amazing how much Sinner improved his movement. I rarely watch but i feel he really improved. I always thought he is good player with good mentality.
What do you Sinner fans think @dking68 I think it's even more important than his Serve on the long run. People rarely improves their speed, movement.

 

[nolefam_2024]

@nolefam_2024 who do you think was better? Sinner 2024 or Federer 2004 at Indian Wells/Miami

I have not watched Federer in 2004. Its very difficult to comment.
Sinner is very fast racking up wins since post USO. Now, is he 90% win rate post USO or not?

 

[dking68]

I have not watched Federer in 2004. Its very difficult to comment.
Sinner is very fast racking up wins since post USO. Now, is he 90% win rate post USO or not?

yes I think he’s 38-3 post USO

 

[Vincent-C]

I don't know why he needs ALL COURT game at age 22. He can develop that when he is 30.

Oof. No comment.

 

[nolefam_2024]

yes I think he’s 38-3 post USO

Make a thread about it. 90% win rate is for ATG players. Even if this was post USO.

 

[dking68]

Make a thread about it. 90% win rate is for ATG players. Even if this was post USO.

Not yet. I want to see his clay results

Right now, at this rate. He’s going to be the number 1 seed at Olympics.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Oof. No comment.

Well its the truth.
All court game is great to have but Sinner does know how to volley. He doesn't need to do this at age 22.

 

[guga_fan]

..except an all-court game. How many times did he get to net today? I like carrot a lot, but no hagiography, please.

Not just lack of all-court gams. He only has one way of playing in general. In today’s game that is mostly enough because of the lack of variety for players, but Carlos has showed that he can trouble Sinner that way.

If other younger players can present more all court games, Sinner will have to adapt in that sense. I would like Rune to be one of the all court menaces in the future (great transition game, great movement and can take the ball earlier than anyone), but he seems to have gone off a very weird path…

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Now go away Med. forever. Your game is awful to watch

Did you watch? Why?

 

[Phenomenal]

That would mean approaching Fed/Connors/Pete numbers there. Highly unlikely.

I also feel Alcaraz to be potentially break or catch the USO record. Especially against older guys you need to take longevity account. They will have more chances.
It looks like great matches are ahead at USO.

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

If Sinner is the new GOAT, I weep for a future enjoyment.

 

[dking68]

Well its the truth.
All court game is great to have but Sinner does know how to volley. He doesn't need to do this at age 22.

His baseline game is just the best. Daniil Medvedev was hopeless today. And he makes little unforced errors

 

[mike danny]

I also feel Alcaraz to be potentially break or catch the USO record. Especially against older guys you need to take longevity account. They will have more chances.
It looks like great matches are ahead at USO.

Still a long way to go especially if Carlos/Sinner will have great longevity. Nobody thought Fed wouldn't win another USO after 2008.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Not just lack of all-court gams. He only has one way of playing in general. In today’s game that is mostly enough because of the lack of variety for players, but Carlos has showed that he can trouble Sinner that way.

If other younger players can present more all court games, Sinner will have to adapt in that sense. I would like Rune to be one of the all court menaces in the future (great transition game, great movement and can take the ball early than anyone), but he seems to have gone off a very weird path…

Carlos has shown he loves to showboat. He was number 1 and 2 slams ahead of sinner by Wimby 2023. Sinner has recorded 3 wins in a row vs him and if they played in atp finals, would be 4 in a row.

 

[dking68]

Carlos has shown he loves to showboat. He was number 1 and 2 slams ahead of sinner by Wimby 2023. Sinner has recorded 3 wins in a row vs him and if they played in atp finals, would be 4 in a row.

Carlos won’t defeat Sinner after the clay court season I think.

 

[nolefam_2024]

If Sinner is the new GOAT, I weep for a future enjoyment.

Sinner is the best player at the moment. New Number 1.

 

[McGradey]

Thinner laying it on thick

 

[Baseline_Bungle]

@Baseline_Bungle I see you in here, did you happen to watch the match? What happened out there?

Just utter demolition. Serve and return were fire, was overpowering him in the long rallies which are usually Med's bread and butter, and as the confidence grew he just started toying with him, finishing points at the net, calling him in to the net then passing him, etc.

Med looked dazed and defeated after 3 games, gesturing aimlessly to his box, saying stuff like "what should I do?", "you think it's easy!", "why don't you try playing this guy?". The strong start set the stage, and the Russian quickly lost his belief - and his game.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Thinner laying it on thick

He has added some mass as well. He isn't as thin as in 2022.

 

[Phenomenal]

Still a long way to go especially if Carlos/Sinner will have great longevity. Nobody thought Fed wouldn't win another USO after 2008.

Yeah, Federer should have won 1 or 2 more considering his success there. Quite surprising and one of the reasons he fell short at slams.
I don't think impossible to specially win 5. Nadal was close to win and for me he would have won 5 slam in one decade(+2020) despite playing with 2 HC goat same era.
I know you need to have a lot talent to be come close to Nadal(as he is one of the best at USO) i'm saying it's not impossible.

 

[Vincent-C]

Not just lack of all-court gams. He only has one way of playing in general. In today’s game that is mostly enough because of the lack of variety for players, but Carlos has showed that he can trouble Sinner that way.

If other younger players can present more all court games, Sinner will have to adapt in that sense. I would like Rune to be one of the all court menaces in the future (great transition game, great movement and can take the ball earlier than anyone), but he seems to have gone off a very weird path…

Good calls.

 

[guga_fan]

Carlos has shown he loves to showboat. He was number 1 and 2 slams ahead of sinner by Wimby 2023. Sinner has recorded 3 wins in a row vs him and if they played in atp finals, would be 4 in a row.

Carlos is 2 years younger and has many more tools. He will take time to figure out how to maximize his potential just like Sinner did.

Still, he has a better career by far at the moment and has shown to have tools to deal with the matchup problem.

 

[Thundergod]

Geez, couldn't watch, but what happened here?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Carlos is 2 years younger and has many more tools. He will take time to figure out how to maximize his potential just like Sinner did.

Still, he has a better career by far at the moment and has shown to have tools to deal with the matchup problem.

Ofcourse. Carlos beat him just last week. But the tide has turned.
There are many holes in Carlos's game that are exploitable.

There may be holes in Sinner's game but right now they are not exploitable, maybe on clay but even that I am doubting. Let's see what he does after winning Miami.

 

[Hitman]

I am scared for the tour. No one will be safe from the Sinner.

 

[Phenomenal]

It's amazing how much Sinner improved his movement. I rarely watch but i feel he really improved. I always thought he is good player with good mentality.
What do you Sinner fans think @dking68 I think it's even more important than his Serve on the long run. People rarely improves their speed, movement.

What do you think @dking68 did he or i'm wrong was he always like this?

 

[nolefam_2024]

I am scared for the tour. No one will be safe from the Sinner.

Yep.

 

[dking68]

What do you think @dking68 did he or i'm wrong was he always like this?

His movement is amazing. He moves best on grass Imo. Remember he was a former pro skiier.

 

[nolefam_2024]

 

[sortof]

Still, he really has to fix the serve to have a chance.

Med´s serve has become unimpressive indeed.

 

[Phenomenal]

Carlos won’t defeat Sinner after the clay court season I think.

No need to be afraid of Carlos on clay yet. Sinner can beat him. But i also think Carlos can beat him especially at slams specially Wimbledon. Don't underestimate tiny at Wimbledon. He crushed everyone before final last year.

 

[Rattie]

Carlos has shown he loves to showboat. He was number 1 and 2 slams ahead of sinner by Wimby 2023. Sinner has recorded 3 wins in a row vs him and if they played in atp finals, would be 4 in a row.

Sinner has 2 wins in a row against him. Carlos won their last meeting a week or so ago

 

[Winners or Errors]

Oh, man. That was quick. Expected Med to put up more of a fight. I'll have to watch the highlights. Scoreline reads like a good, old-fashioned, whooping.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner has 2 wins in a row against him. Carlos won their last meeting a week or so ago

Right. I don't know why I counted 3.

 

[dking68]

No need to be afraid of Carlos on clay yet. Sinner can beat him. But i also think Carlos can beat him especially at slams specially Wimbledon. Don't underestimate tiny at Wimbledon. He crushed everyone before final last year.

Sinner has improved alot more than Carlos. I think he’ll beat him on every surface this year

 

[Bill Lobsalot]

Sinner is the best player at the moment. New Number 1.

Sure, but that doesn't make him entertaining, which is what I want when watching.