2024 Sinner vs 2011 Djokovic : who wins ?

[RoS]

Who would win ?

2024 Sinner is basically a upgraded version of Djokovic. His serve is much better than Djokovic 2011 serve, his FH is more powerful. He is rock solid on the baseline and can move very well. His return of serve is excellent, just a little below Djokovic return. Mentally, Sinner is the best just behind Alcaraz.

2024 Sinner remind so much how Djokovic in 2011 transformed completely into the monster he is (or rather he was). He was underperforming in GS, often has mental failure, falling short against the elite, and
The victory against Djokovic by saving MP at the Davis Cup last year was determinant as the famous USO SF 2010 where Djokovic beat Federer by saving 2 MP. it was the announcement of what was to come.

I think he would be a match against 2011 Djokovic. He would beat him at the USO. At the FO, it would be 50/50. At the AO, 2011 Djokovic still win in 4 sets as it was the best Djokovic ever at Melbourne

 

[TennisTurkey]

Seriously?

 

[dking68]

11ovic wins at the USO, Wimbledon and AO. 70/30 in favor of 11ovic at RG

 

[Nostradamus]

Discuss

on clay, novak beats him 2, 2, 1

 

[messiahrobins]

Discuss

This thread should be 'How many games would Sinner 24 get v Djokovic 11'

 

[MichaelNadal]

This thread should be 'How many games would Sinner 24 get v Djokovic 11'

"Tennis has evolved"

 

[fafa]

 

[messiahrobins]

"Tennis has evolved"

Did you see the final today lol. Devolution was my buzzword lol. In fairness to Sinner i got the feeling he got a bot bored at times given the levl Fritz was at. Game was over within 3 minutes, i knew after the first game Fritz had no belief.

 

[JMR]

on clay, novak beats him 2, 2, 1

Does this mean that 2011 Fed would bagel Sinner on clay? And 2011 Nadal would hold Sinner to negative games per set?

 

[Lleytonstation]

lol

We just can not help ourselves.

 

[iopzzza]

Just turn on a match from 2011 version Djokovic and you will clearly how much better is Novak at every aspect, including physicality.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Of course Djokovic will win most

Sinner would have chance in a few.

 

[dking68]

Just turn on a match from 2011 version Djokovic and you will clearly how much better is Novak at every aspect, including physicality.

Not mentally. It’s about equal mentally

 

[iopzzza]

Not mentally. It’s about equal mentally

Dude..i would argue this is the biggest thing Novak has over Sinner. Come on.

 

[dking68]

Dude..i would argue this is the biggest thing Novak has over Sinner. Come on.

Sinner from 2022 saved 8 match points in a single match and won, I don’t understand?

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

Djoker. He’s just too much to handle

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

It’s not really fair to compare yet though as we havent seen the finished product of sinner. We haven’t seen peak sinner yet for another 2 years probably. When Sinner hits 25 years old then we will get a more accurate comparison

Right now. No. Djoker is better at everything

 

[btsjungkook]

Didn't subpar Djokovic beat him in straights in Wimbledon 2023? Now you're comparing him to a guy who beat prime Nadal and still good Federer, while also having a 3 slam season and won a lot of titles. Let's see what Sinner looks like when he's facing someone good. When he faced Alcaraz he lost and he lost to Medvevdev as well so he's not unbeatable. Plus he used the doping cream.

 

[TheGoldenEra1990’s]

Didn't subpar Djokovic beat him in straights in Wimbledon 2023? Now you're comparing him to a guy who beat prime Nadal and still good Federer, while also having a 3 slam season and won a lot of titles. Let's see what Sinner looks like when he's facing someone good. When he faced Alcaraz he lost and he lost to Medvevdev as well so he's not unbeatable. Plus he used the doping cream.

Well that’s a problem too. Sinner doesn’t have the type of opposition that djokovic had to push him to that higher level. Djoker became so good because Nadal/Fed made him become that good LOL. Djoker probably would have been just a very good or great player if there was No Fedal

 

[btsjungkook]

Well that’s a problem too. Sinner doesn’t have the type of opposition that djokovic had to push him to that higher level. Djoker became so good because Nadal/Fed made him become that good LOL. Djoker probably would have been just a very good or great player if there was No Fedal

Alcaraz too doesn't have any strong opposition other than Sinner and grandpa Novak if he can still compete.

 

[Sephiroth]

LOL

2008 Djokovic is a fairer comparison, similar results and trajectory on the tour except there was no jack draper waiting in the semi finals of USO 2008, a certain wizard was waiting in the wings instead

 

[SonnyT]

Sinner is 0-2 vs Alcaraz in 2024. Djokovic was 10-1 against Nadal & Federer in 2011. Sinner may prove to have an ATG career, but a great career takes more than one good, not great, year. 2011 was a great year for Djokovic.

 

[Sephiroth]

actually damn, 2008 Djokovic is underrated, I'm looking at some of the results he had against a much better competition and it's more impressive than Sinner's 2024

if Sinner is praised for this USO run then Djokovic 2008 AO is his daddy since he only dropped 1 set, also won 2 masters, made deep runs in other major tournaments only to be stopped by the other big 4 members, won the ATP finals as well.

the only blip is Wimbledon

 

[nolefam_2024]

I think sinner can win a few.

Andy Murray was up a break in Rome vs nole and beat him in first set of Cincy.

Roger almost beat nole 2 times

Sinner plays game which can cause anyone trouble. Djokovic also would have big trouble vs him.

 

[Mustard]

This is really silly. 2011 Djokovic, of course.

This Sinner hype is out of control.

 

[tennisjedi]

Sinner easily. He is the peak of tennis evolution. He evolves and adapts to perfectly counter his opponents. He is the human version of the future sentinels from "Days of future past".

Djokovic won't win a set no matter what the surface is. Sinner will demoralize Djokovic so badly, he'll go back to eating a gluten rich diet.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Sinner easily. He is the peak of tennis evolution. He evolves and adapts to perfectly counter his opponents. He is the human version of the future sentinels from "Days of future past".

Djokovic won't win a set no matter what the surface is. Sinner will demoralize Djokovic so badly, he'll go back to eating a gluten rich diet.

Djokovic would not eat gluten diet. It's his lifestyle.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

Djokovic but sinner would take a set!

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic but sinner would take a set!

In 10 match series what would be at ao and uso

 

[Razer]

2011 Djokovic will tear apart Sinner.

This comparison is not in favor of Sinner.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

In 10 match series what would be at ao and uso

I’d say 10-0 at AO and 9-1 Us open.

Djokovic would dominate but I see sinner being competitive and sneaking out a set especially at us open.

 

[nolefam_2024]

I’d say 10-0 at AO and 9-1 Us open.

Djokovic would dominate but I see sinner being competitive and sneaking out a set especially at us open.

I guess
I would say 8-2 and AO and 6-4 at usopen

 

[NeutralFan]

This is really silly. 2011 Djokovic, of course.

This Sinner hype is out of control.

There's no way to know this

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I guess
I would say 8-2 and AO and 6-4 at usopen

Maybe it could be closer but this really was peak Djokovic on HC especially at both slams.

I think to be kinder to sinner I could say 9-1 AO and 7-3 Us open.

Sinner is fantastic but against peak Djokovic even Fedal at their best couldn’t stop him.

Sinner would have more chances against other less dominant Djokovic years hard court versions like 2013, 2014, 2020, 2021 for example.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Maybe it could be closer but this really was peak Djokovic on HC especially at both slams.

I think to be kinder to sinner I could say 9-1 AO and 7-3 Us open.

Sinner is fantastic but again peak Djokovic even Fedal at their best couldn’t stop him.

Sinner would have more chances against other less dominant Djokovic years hard court versions like 2013, 2014, 2020, 2021 for example.

I guess.

I am sure nole was too good at ao. And sinner was barely able to win vs meddy there.

 

[SonnyT]

Sinner easily. He is the peak of tennis evolution. He evolves and adapts to perfectly counter his opponents. He is the human version of the future sentinels from "Days of future past".

Djokovic won't win a set no matter what the surface is. Sinner will demoralize Djokovic so badly, he'll go back to eating a gluten rich diet.

Djokovic would thrash Sinner for now. 0-2 vs Alcaraz as against 10-1 vs Fedal. Of course, Sinner is young and has room to grow!

 

[ChaelAZ]

We haven't even seen a fully developed Sinner yet. FFS.

Sinner wins everything and double bagels Djo every time they play.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic would thrash Sinner for now. 0-2 vs Alcaraz as against 10-1 vs Fedal. Of course, Sinner is young and has room to grow!

Yes we can talk for slams to slams basis. For entire year Djokovic would win a lot more

 

[NeutralFan]

Maybe it could be closer but this really was peak Djokovic on HC especially at both slams.

I think to be kinder to sinner I could say 9-1 AO and 7-3 Us open.

Sinner is fantastic but against peak Djokovic even Fedal at their best couldn’t stop him.

Sinner would have more chances against other less dominant Djokovic years hard court versions like 2013, 2014, 2020, 2021 for example.

At AO Sinner won't have any chance but at USO Sinner might grab some wins but but Sinner is not a finsihed product yet.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

I guess.

I am sure nole was too good at ao. And sinner was barely able to win vs meddy there.

Sinner has room to grow so we can review this again in future. As of now he’s not beating 2011 Djokovic but I think he can improve more.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

At AO Sinner won't have any chance but at USO Sinner might grab some wins but but Sinner is not a finsihed product yet.

This is a good answer. Yeah Aussie open is closed off more due to Djokovic dominance there.

However, even in 2011 at us open Djokovic can be a bit more up and down. Sinner was pretty awesome all this tournament and will grow more. Us open could become very close. Agreed.

 

[Ace7]

2011 Djokovic is an absolute machine with unlimited stamina. prolly has the best ever rally tolerance and baseline game. sinner wont win much sorry.

 

[Phenomenal]

Sinner would have better chance against 2015 Djokovic.

 

[Tano]

Did you see the final today lol. Devolution was my buzzword lol. In fairness to Sinner i got the feeling he got a bot bored at times given the levl Fritz was at. Game was over within 3 minutes, i knew after the first game Fritz had no belief.

From Roddick to Fritz, US players can't compete with European players.
A tortuous path of defeats has not made them realize that their tennis players are playing an obsolete game.

 

[Rafa the King]

I doubt he’d win a set if they met from QF onwards at any slam or Masters against 2011 Novak.

 

[Biotic]

Agreed.

Considering Djoko was getting owned by Ferrer and Tipsarevic at the 5th most important event, it's hard to see him get more than a couple of games per set off Sinner.

 

[iopzzza]

Sinner from 2022 saved 8 match points in a single match and won, I don’t understand?

Once against a guy, who wont be top 50 - 10 years ago. Come on, Sinner and Alcaraz are great, but back in the years, 10-15 years ago, the would be in the mix for Top 10 not at the very top.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Who would win ?

2024 Sinner is basically a upgraded version of Djokovic. His serve is much better than Djokovic 2011 serve, his FH is more powerful. He is rock solid on the baseline and can move very well. His return of serve is excellent, just a little below Djokovic return. Mentally, Sinner is the best just behind Alcaraz.

2024 Sinner remind so much how Djokovic in 2011 transformed completely into the monster he is (or rather he was). He was underperforming in GS, often has mental failure, falling short against the elite, and
The victory against Djokovic by saving MP at the Davis Cup last year was determinant as the famous USO SF 2010 where Djokovic beat Federer by saving 2 MP. it was the announcement of what was to come.

I think he would be a match against 2011 Djokovic. He would beat him at the USO. At the FO, it would be 50/50. At the AO, 2011 Djokovic still win in 4 sets as it was the best Djokovic ever at Melbourne

Okay, troll. I'm no Novak fan, rather a critic but this is how it'll go.

AO - 2011 Djok def. 2024 Sinner 62 62 62
RG - 2011 Djok def. 2024 Sinner 60 61 62
Wimbledon - 2011 Djok def. 2024 Sinner 64 63 61
USO - 2011 Djok def. 2024 Sinner 63 63 62

 

[RS]

Okay, troll. I'm no Novak fan, rather a critic but this is how it'll go.

AO - 2011 Djok def. 2024 Sinner 62 62 62
RG - 2011 Djok def. 2024 Sinner 60 61 62
Wimbledon - 2011 Djok def. 2024 Sinner 64 63 61
USO - 2011 Djok def. 2024 Sinner 63 63 62

Sinner would hold serve more than that probably. Djokovic would definitely have the odd laps in focus as well.

 

[Rafa4LifeEver]

Sinner would hold serve more than that probably.

Not against 2011 Djok.

Djokovic would definitely have the odd laps in concertation as well.

Not 2011 Djok