2024 transfer portal

So the transfer portal officially opened today for tennis.

A few notable big fish in it already (plus several others)

Will Jansen, UNC
Mathis Bondaz, VCU
Oscar Pinto Sansano, VCU
Chris Li, Tennessee

Bondaz and Li will be transferring for a 2nd time.
 

tennisfan17

Professional
A few VCU players in there!

Surprised Li is leaving... He's had a pretty good year with Tennessee.

Clement from Kentucky also in the portal.
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
So the transfer portal officially opened today for tennis.

A few notable big fish in it already (plus several others)

Will Jansen, UNC
Mathis Bondaz, VCU
Oscar Pinto Sansano, VCU
Chris Li, Tennessee

Bondaz and Li will be transferring for a 2nd time.
Where is this info available?
 

tennisfan17

Professional
Im going based on @CTennisNation on Twitter. They focus a lot on mid major tennis during the season. I think the account is run by players on mid major teams and they have access to looking at the portal.
It is run by players (former and current) but as far as I am aware, the student side of the portal does not allow that player to see others in the portal. Only us coaches are able to see who is in the portal.
 

tennisfan17

Professional
They are paying tennis players now? I'm impressed.
I mean scholarship wise. With American players being able to receive NIL deals (Internationals unable), D1's who are limited to at most 4 1/2 full scholarships can bring in extra players if they have Americans with deals OR good academic money as well. I would imagine these players are looking for more scholarship money, not actual money.
 
Are they looking for better teams or is money involved?

Probably better teams for smaller conference players who play high in their lineup. And more playing time usually a motivator for big school players who play lower in the lineup.

Bondaz will be sought after by everyone. Could slide into a top two slot for even top 10 teams. He was at A&M before. Guess it didn’t work out there for whatever reason.
 

tennisfan17

Professional
Probably better teams for smaller conference players who play high in their lineup. And more playing time usually a motivator for big school players who play lower in the lineup.

Bondaz will be sought after by everyone. Could slide into a top two slot for even top 10 teams. He was at A&M before. Guess it didn’t work out there for whatever reason.
Something is happening at VCU I think. 5/6 of your starting lineup don’t just all randomly get in the portal. It’s wild
 
Something is happening at VCU I think. 5/6 of your starting lineup don’t just all randomly get in the portal. It’s wild
Yeah that’s weird. Especially since they had a good year and just beat Princeton in the tourney. Maybe Coach Rossi is moving on or something. Remember the Miami and Penn State jobs are open.
 

tennisfan17

Professional
Yeah that’s weird. Especially since they had a good year and just beat Princeton in the tourney. Maybe Coach Rossi is moving on or something. Remember the Miami and Penn State jobs are open.
That was my first though. Probably an internal announcement that Rossi is leaving or something
 
I talked to a few P5 coaches and they feel a lot of players will jump in to test the waters to see if they can get a better offer/etc. Previously, a coach could easily tell the player to go kick rocks, but with the talent pool shrinking by 20+% because no more bonus year for Covid, the players have more leverage than ever before.

Additionally, Rossi has interviewed at one of the two job mentioned, but I don't see how he can take it with the salary offered
 
I talked to a few P5 coaches and they feel a lot of players will jump in to test the waters to see if they can get a better offer/etc. Previously, a coach could easily tell the player to go kick rocks, but with the talent pool shrinking by 20+% because no more bonus year for Covid, the players have more leverage than ever before.

Additionally, Rossi has interviewed at one of the two job mentioned, but I don't see how he can take it with the salary offered
So they don't actually intent to transfer? Why does that give the players more leverage?
 

tennisfan17

Professional
So they don't actually intent to transfer? Why does that give the players more leverage?
Levels are lowering overall due to the covid year players and covid year money falling off. So a low-mid 12 UTR guy could likely have more swing with a P5 team because that P5 team needs players with budget that could likely play. In D2 we are facing the same issue where guys who are around mid to high 11 UTR are turning down D2 because low level D1 universities need to fill the roster
 

Purestriker

Legend
For some of the top American guys? I would imagine there is enough money to make it worth while.
NIL comes from donors, so they would have to be huge tennis fans. Otherwise the real money is in Football and Basketball (over a million a year for a top player).
 

andfor

Legend
A few VCU players in there!

Surprised Li is leaving... He's had a pretty good year with Tennessee.

Clement from Kentucky also in the portal.
Is Li still playing for UT? Is he hurt, quit, coaches dog house, etc? He didn't play in the regional.
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
@Clemson_tennis, @optimaltennis and others-do u think the changes in transfer portal window have helped SAs and made the coaches job harder? Prior to spring 23, players could enter portal anytime in fall or spring-usually fall was grad transfers. Now transfer portal doesn’t even open to May. Now all the opportunities are available at the same time for SAs. Great for the talented player who knows he will land somewhere. Harder for the benchsitters who are seeking playing time at a lower tennis tier school-under the older policy, they probably would have found a new school midspring. At least last year coaches still had grad transfers to choose from. Now they have fewer transfers to choose from plus a shorter timeframe. Outside of grad transfers, I do wonder how supportive parents are of transfers considering their players will usually lose a year of credits which means an extra year to pay without scholarship when eligibility is done. A lot of US tennis parents are wealthy so maybe it is a mute issue. However the deadlines for merit scholarships are way before May for the players relying on mix of merit and athletic aid.
 

jcgatennismom

Hall of Fame
Levels are lowering overall due to the covid year players and covid year money falling off. So a low-mid 12 UTR guy could likely have more swing with a P5 team because that P5 team needs players with budget that could likely play. In D2 we are facing the same issue where guys who are around mid to high 11 UTR are turning down D2 because low level D1 universities need to fill the roster
I appreciate your acknowledgement of “players with budget.” The P5s need guys at 5 and 6 who pay most of their own way-maybe earn some merit too. The MM coaches are now expected to field larger rosters to offset declining enrollment which means less scholly per player or more walk ins and less play.Hard choices for some parents and players when it costs more to play tennis in college than to go to college somewhere else and not play.
 
Levels are lowering overall due to the covid year players and covid year money falling off. So a low-mid 12 UTR guy could likely have more swing with a P5 team because that P5 team needs players with budget that could likely play. In D2 we are facing the same issue where guys who are around mid to high 11 UTR are turning down D2 because low level D1 universities need to fill the roster
Feels like this could lead to a wider gap between power 5 and mid major programs next year. The best mid major players will have more spots at P5 programs available as those coaches scramble to replace departed talent while the mid majors will have no choice but to replenish with lesser talent.

I actually thought this year was a pretty good one for non power 5 tennis, with the Ivy League, AAC conference, VCU, MTSU, San Diego, Sun Belt and WCC all having good years while the ACC, Pac 12 and Big Ten had less depth.

Might go back to power conference domination next year though.
 

See ones like this dont make sense. We don’t know the details of each individual situation but on the surface this is a head scratcher. Played 1 or 2 on a team on the rise. Three of their top six are seniors but would have been returning their top two. Now Arkansas has to completely reload. Probably with a bunch of transfers. One season teams the new norm.
 

tennisfan17

Professional
I appreciate your acknowledgement of “players with budget.” The P5s need guys at 5 and 6 who pay most of their own way-maybe earn some merit too. The MM coaches are now expected to field larger rosters to offset declining enrollment which means less scholly per player or more walk ins and less play.Hard choices for some parents and players when it costs more to play tennis in college than to go to college somewhere else and not play.
Tough for sure, especially staying on the D1 pathway for players. Weird times coming up for tennis.
 

tennisfan17

Professional
Feels like this could lead to a wider gap between power 5 and mid major programs next year. The best mid major players will have more spots at P5 programs available as those coaches scramble to replace departed talent while the mid majors will have no choice but to replenish with lesser talent.

I actually thought this year was a pretty good one for non power 5 tennis, with the Ivy League, AAC conference, VCU, MTSU, San Diego, Sun Belt and WCC all having good years while the ACC, Pac 12 and Big Ten had less depth.

Might go back to power conference domination next year though.
Agreed. MM did well this year and I think that was a by product of the covid year money. I really love seeing MM doing well and hope it stays a little bit.
 

tennisfan17

Professional
Is Li still playing for UT? Is he hurt, quit, coaches dog house, etc? He didn't play in the regional.
Yeah last match he played was against South Carolina... If i had to guess, maybe he is injured or he was pulled due to wanting to transfer.
 

Purestriker

Legend

See ones like this dont make sense. We don’t know the details of each individual situation but on the surface this is a head scratcher. Played 1 or 2 on a team on the rise. Three of their top six are seniors but would have been returning their top two. Now Arkansas has to completely reload. Probably with a bunch of transfers. One season teams the new norm.
This one is very surprising. I watched him live a lot the last two years, their biggest start and his teammates loved him.
 
Additionally, Rossi has interviewed at one of the two job mentioned, but I don't see how he can take it with the salary offered
This low key pisses me off. Men’s tennis coaches make peanuts in comparison to the whole athletic budget, even for the best paid ones in the nation. Athletic directors really can’t muster up an additional 20-30k a year to get their program out of the gutter?

Even if you don’t know anything about the sport or even care about it. Like I’ll try to take my tennis bias out of it and use an example of a college sport I don’t really care about like lacrosse. If I’m AD and someone says “hey we can hire this guy to make our currently terrible program a lot better, but we do have to pay 30k more”. (which again is like a nickel compared to the millions they shell out for other things). “Or we can hire cheap and keep our program at the same struggling level and likely be in this same spot 3-4 years from now.” I’m paying the extra little increase.

Tennis bias shades back on, if im Miami, I would be kicking the tires of Roditi and asking how much. But that type of stuff rarely happens in college tennis.
 

Sureshot

Hall of Fame

See ones like this dont make sense. We don’t know the details of each individual situation but on the surface this is a head scratcher. Played 1 or 2 on a team on the rise. Three of their top six are seniors but would have been returning their top two. Now Arkansas has to completely reload. Probably with a bunch of transfers. One season teams the new norm.
Whoah, great get for Duke. Rodenas and Planelles Ripoll at 1&2. They can harbor top 10 aspirations with Landau coming in as well.
 

Sureshot

Hall of Fame
Card could add jin to the squad, that would be beneficial
Unfortunately, the Card seldom bring in undergrad transfers. They bring in grad transfers but those guys have to gain admission as regular students first before they can get on the team. It is very limiting and sucks but it's the reality.
 
Im sure this will change soon, but actually the very top teams have not really used transfers that much. Ohio State, Texas, Virginia, TCU, Kentucky etc. So it hasn’t been shown to be a way to build a national title level team so far.
 
@Clemson_tennis, @optimaltennis and others-do u think the changes in transfer portal window have helped SAs and made the coaches job harder? Prior to spring 23, players could enter portal anytime in fall or spring-usually fall was grad transfers. Now transfer portal doesn’t even open to May. Now all the opportunities are available at the same time for SAs. Great for the talented player who knows he will land somewhere. Harder for the benchsitters who are seeking playing time at a lower tennis tier school-under the older policy, they probably would have found a new school midspring. At least last year coaches still had grad transfers to choose from. Now they have fewer transfers to choose from plus a shorter timeframe. Outside of grad transfers, I do wonder how supportive parents are of transfers considering their players will usually lose a year of credits which means an extra year to pay without scholarship when eligibility is done. A lot of US tennis parents are wealthy so maybe it is a mute issue. However the deadlines for merit scholarships are way before May for the players relying on mix of merit and athletic aid.
Portal definitely helps SAs, that is 100% for sure. It makes it much easier players who are looking for something different (academics, playing time, environment, etc) to be contacted.

As for coaches, it is a double edged sword. If you are a coach with a player who has multiple years of eligibility left, you are now at even bigger risk of losing a player and have to constantly re-recruit your team. NIL has added to the equation, but only at select schools.

To me, regulating when one can enter the portal is a very good thing as this prevents it from being too crazy. Graduate students can now enter at any time, while others have to wait until May. That said, players going into the portal already have a good idea of where they might be heading. Tennis, at the elite level, is a very, very small world. Coaches will know which SAs are going in before the portal even opens as top players are friends with other top players.

Example: Gerard Planelles Ripoll almost certainly going to Duke before he even went into the portal
 
Yeah last match he played was against South Carolina... If i had to guess, maybe he is injured or he was pulled due to wanting to transfer.

This happens a lot; where a player has told the coach he will transfer, thus the coach does not feel the need to play him. Previously, I have seen instances of players playing after intending to transfer and it rarely goes well. Same thing happened to Eleana Yu at Stanford
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
Kim is 99.9999% not at Florida next year
Yikes, braswell, togan, kim - got to get this ship sorted or find a new captain of the ship

He really should go to Duke though - great team shaping up next year - solid degree - not too far to move, still southeast - c’mon!
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
Yikes, braswell, togan, kim - got to get this ship sorted or find a new captain of the ship

He really should go to Duke though - great team shaping up next year - solid degree - not too far to move, still southeast - c’mon!
If he goes to Duke, UVA alumni will stop subsidizing the Duke coach.
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
UF's Bonetto has entered the transfer portal. That's three Florida players now, right?
honestly, my response to all these entitled college athletes shopping around every year - in the vein of the thread re: whether non-revenue sports might be on the chopping block some day soon - fine, cut college tennis, bunch of twats that aren't aren't making their universities any money but think they're hot sh... and should shop programs every year

but, at the same time these kids suck, someone better find out what it is about the Steinberg ship that's causing this to happen
 

armchair

New User
Is Li still playing for UT? Is he hurt, quit, coaches dog house, etc? He didn't play in the regional.

Li was not good in the indoor season, but turned things around and played quite well in the #3 spot for about the first two-thirds of the outdoor/SEC
schedule. But he tailed off late--losing 3 of his last six matches, winning one and with 2 UF's (he was behind in one of them). I vaguely recall an announcer saying that he
was having a physical issue in the SEC Tourney match against SC, which he finished and lost. So he's either hurt or Woodruff
simply decided to make a lineup change. Freshman Newton, an Aussie who looks promising, is now in the lineup for both singles and doubles. Newton had
played very little prior to the regional. It's hard to know as Woodruff never talks about anything.
 

armchair

New User
honestly, my response to all these entitled college athletes shopping around every year - in the vein of the thread re: whether non-revenue sports might be on the chopping block some day soon - fine, cut college tennis, bunch of twats that aren't aren't making their universities any money but think they're hot sh... and should shop programs every year

but, at the same time these kids suck, someone better find out what it is about the Steinberg ship that's causing this to happen

So true. How about the Dartmouth basketball players who want to unionize? What But a bunch of privileged a$$hats. First, they're all getting financial aid and probably
wouldn't be at Dartmouth without it. Second, Dartmouth's athletic department loses money. Third, to say there's no big demand by the public to watch Dartmouth basketball
would be an understatement. I'd love to see the school ax basketball in response and make it a club sport.
 
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