Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
But Draper has beaten Sinner in the past.
2024 US Open Men’s Singles
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But Draper has beaten Sinner in the past.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
This is completely different ball game now though.
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Disagree.
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
Um, why? Seriously, how would Tiafoe winning be a "disgrace" to the sport?
Same question.
Perhaps, but that match always felt clearly under Sinner's control (in my opinion).
It's not as black and white as you make it out to be. If guys like Fritz and Zverev (or DeMinaur or Draper) start dominating the game, it will indeed be boring. But if it were guys like Musetti, Tsitsipas, Moutet, Shelton, Dimitrov... taking over, it would be fun to watch.
NYTennisfan
Hall of Fame
Those stats don't matter, you're acting as if this is a mismatch. Their last slam 2 matches were a 5 setter in Australia where Medvedev was up 2 sets and Wimbledon where Medvedev beat Sinner on what was considered his weak surface. Medvedev has consistently been an elite performer on the hard courts so there's a reason why this is being hyped as a Finals level match in a Quarterfinal.
Tallawah Tennis
Professional
Heh,heh, the other option could be that they don't think he is funny. Or maybe, they laughed enough in that match to last a lifetime. Kid has done well, getting through to the SF without dropping a set. If he is fit and plays free of pressure ( having already had a good run, entering the top 20 ) he could get further. If he gets rigor mortis, he'll still leave with plenty gained. Win/win is a good place to be. He's 22 - all else being equal, plenty of time to achieve more.Jack is always making jokes in his on-court interviews here, and the crowd never laughs. Can they really not understand his accent or something, or do they just hate the English?
Demon was injured during the summer, so has had a good run here. He works hard and competes well when he can - no disgrace in that.
Bill Lobsalot
Hall of Fame
Check out the pickleball channel champ.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
This is turning into mismatch now. I see it as qf not final
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
2024 US Open SF’s:
(1) Sinner v (25) Draper
(12) Fritz v (20) Tiafoe
Interesting lineup.
(1) Sinner v (25) Draper
(12) Fritz v (20) Tiafoe
Interesting lineup.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Sinner joins what I assume is a very small group of active players to have now made the SF at all 4 slams.
abmk
Bionic Poster
And to think Sinner was struggling to make a slam semi till his first one at Wim 23. That's 4 slam semis out of 6.
-snake-
Hall of Fame
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
I wonder what changed for him to suddenly be so consistent and strong with good stamina.
Maybe all you need to make the transition from talented player without the fitness to number 1 player in the world is a good ol massage with italian oils.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
His serve became strongerI wonder what changed for him to suddenly be so consistent and strong with good stamina.
His stamina improved
Strength improved
What happens at that early stages
He will most likely have multi slam year now. Andy Murray never won 2 slams in a year
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Impressive, he's only lost before the 2nd week of a slam once in his last 13 slams.
24 USO - SF*
24 Wimbledon - QF
24 RG - SF
24 AO - Champ
23 USO - 4R
23 Wimbledon - SF
23 RG - 2R (the only one)
23 AO - 4R
22 USO - QF
22 Wimbledon - QF
22 RG - 4R
22 AO - QF
21 USO - 4R
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
There are some good massages out there I hearI wonder what changed for him to suddenly be so consistent and strong with good stamina.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Shows even going back to 2021 at age 20 (barely his birthday is in august), Sinner was reaching second week and he had some huge losses like vs Djokovic Wimby in 5 , Alcaraz USO in 5, Zverev USO in 5, Tsitsipas AO in 5 and so on.
As he is getting into his prime, he is going to dominate the tennis landscape now.
-snake-
Hall of Fame
I wonder what changed for him to suddenly be so consistent and strong with good stamina.
Maybe all you need to make the transition from talented player without the fitness to number 1 player in the world is a good ol massage with italian oils.
With free rein to juice as much he wants, forget about him losing a slam match for a looooong time.
Pheasant
Legend
Sinner hits the ball from both wings very hard. And he also defends extremely well with both wings. Med had to overcook the ball to try and hit through Sinner. When he didn’t, Sinner got winners. So he had to go bigger, which caused more errors.
Sinner had a rather pedestrian 53% first serve percentage vs Med today. However, he managed to win 63% of his 2nd serves(compared to Med winning only 51% of his own 2nd serves). Sinner, for the most point, dictated play from the baseline.
We will see in 2 days where Draper is really at when he faces Sinner. I find that match interesting at this time. Hopefully, it’s not a letdown.
Sinner had a rather pedestrian 53% first serve percentage vs Med today. However, he managed to win 63% of his 2nd serves(compared to Med winning only 51% of his own 2nd serves). Sinner, for the most point, dictated play from the baseline.
We will see in 2 days where Draper is really at when he faces Sinner. I find that match interesting at this time. Hopefully, it’s not a letdown.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Too much logic.
Draper is a fairly unique player which will cause a great deal of trouble to many. Fritzi's game is just perfect for American hardcourt, almost like he has grown up there while Tiafoe can cause upsetting emotions...
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
Sinner is way better than all those guys. Sinner will cruise to the title now. He’s so good and solid on all assets of his game.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
(Crazy) 2024 US Open Men's Draw (hElo) Forecast
| Player | | F | W |
| (1)Jannik Sinner (ITA) | | 93.9% | 86.5% |
| (25)Jack Draper (GBR) | | 6.1% | 2.7% |
| (12)Taylor Fritz (USA) | | 66.6% | 8.4% |
| (20)Frances Tiafoe (USA) | | 33.4% | 2.3% |
Interesting. I wonder though if this takes into account all recent matches or it's pre tournament, cause Draper seems in great form now.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Just pure blended Elo forecast. I would give Draper more of a chance too, on form.
Helps to anchor your view and to add your subjective take later.
Sure, it's very useful. Just out of curiosity though, would you know when these Elos were updated last? Was it after Cincy or after the first week of USO?
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
Bionic Poster
2 straight set wins coming up for the clear world no1!
Rattie
Legend
I responded to a comment about not wanting Tiafoe to win; nothing to do with the question you asked ther other poster.
I don’t like him. He’s full of himself and excruciatingly unfunny while thinking he’s hilarious. So no, I don’t want him to win; I’d rather Fritz did.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Jannik Reigns!!!
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
That is insane, when's the last time it was this lobsided?
Winners or Errors
Legend
…and that’s going to be why he might struggle. He’s really supposed to win now. None of the other guys look like they have a chance. It’s almost a Rafa-worthy US Open draw at this point.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Likely something RG Nadal but I had no luck trying to find something some rounds ago. Others may be better at that.
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
Just before the USO...
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robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
I was at the Draper vs Rublev match at last year's USO, where Draper got bounced pretty easily by Bweah. Drapper is a big dude, and he often looks pretty slow and lumbering compared to most other players.
Wiki lists Draper as the same height at Monfils, and we all know he doesn't move nearly as well as Gael (even older Gael). That may be an extreme example, but you get the point.
So while Draper was hanging in with Rublev during some rallies, and managing to win some points by pulling the trigger on a down the line backhand and things like that, overall Andre was just running and pummeling him into the ground. And we know Sinner is like a superior version of Rublev, so I would expect Draper to get worn out trying to hit with Sinner, and have a harder time trying to go on the offensive off of Sinner's incoming pace.
There was a year in high school when these were THE shoes to have. All the cool kids were wearing them. I didn't have a pair (read into that what you want).The man respects HISTORY
Well, there are two Americans in one semi, and a guaranteed American in the final. The USO is chock full of casuals with hardly a clue about tennis, plus a bunch of "homers" that love rooting for Americans. I'd say anyone that wanted to sell their tickets could probably do so quite easily. No matter who is playing, the USO final (and even the semis to some extent) is an "event" in NYC, where plenty of people are there just to be seen and say they were there, regardless of who is playing.
If they don't end happy, they aren't really that good.There are some good massages out there I hear
Wait, is that second line about Alcaraz? Because you realize humor is wildly subjective, and while some people interpret arrogance as confidence (and vice versa), Alcaraz fits that description very well.
-snake-
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Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Vincent-C
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BenC
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Vincent-C
Legend
Memphis phinal against the massive, one Major-winning great white hopewho could forget?
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Shoulda saw Phil,Ooh, I liked his game.. call me a Neanderthal.
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flyingboris
Legend
The average ranking of the semifinalists is 14.5 despite having the #1 in it. Anybody happen to know what the record lowest average is for ATP slams?
nolefam_2024
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Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
It was 35+ the year Goran won.
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flyingboris
Legend
Holy sh** that's incredible. I might have to look at the draws for that one!
Edit: oh, it was because Goran was ranked 125 at the time LOL.
