2024 Wimbledon Championships - General Discussion for Men's Singles

Who wins?


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Enceladus

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Defending champion: Carlos Alcaraz
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Past Wimbledon champions, who will participating in the 2024 edition: Novak Djokovic (2011, 2014-15, 2018-19 & 2021-22)

Official website: Link to draw: Edition: 137th (56th in the Open era)
Date: 1 – 14 July 2024
Category: Grand Slam
Number of players in main draw: 128S
Total prize money: £50,000,000 ($63,4 million)
Prize money distribution: Surface: Grass
Location: Church Road, Wimbledon, London, United Kingdom
Venue and governing body: All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club
TV broadcast: ATP entry list:
 
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Enceladus

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As usual, I will publish the survey after the draw ceremony, which will take place on Friday at 10 am London time. By then, it should be clear whether Djokovic, the 7-time champion, will participate in this year's Wimbledon.


Edit: By connection @Rattie's thread into my thread, the poll started by @Rattie went under my OP. So the poll is created, but I will extend the voting deadline until July 6.
 
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Rattie

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Top 16 of 32 Seeds:
1. Jannik Sinner
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Carlos Alcaraz (defending champion)
4. Alexander Zverev
5. Daniil Medvedev
6. Andrey Rublev
7. Hubie Hurkacz
8. Casper Ruud
9. A;ex de Minaur
10. Grigor Dimitrov
11. Stefanos Tsitsipas
12. Tommy Paul
13. Taylor Fritz
14. Ben Shelton
15. Holger Rune
16. Ugo Humbert.

Further seeds:

All the wildcards have been awarded to Brits ….controversially excluding Milos Raonic, a former finalist, who has returned following a long absence due to injury and shown form worthy of consideration for a wild card.

Wild cards:​

Liam Broady #145
Charles Broom #235
Jan Choinski #176
Jacob Fearnley #274
Arthir Fery #249
Billy Harris #139
Paul Jubb #292
Henry Searle #570 (winner of junior WB 2023)

Andy Murray has yet to make a decision as to his participation following his back injury.

Currently there remains a question mark over Djokovic’s participation due to his recent knee surgery although he is currently at the venue practising. He will make a decision prior to the draw which is scheduled for 10am Friday UK time, according to media reports.
He is seeded #2 so his presence or absence has a significant effect on the draw as, should he withdraw, Sinner and Alcaraz will be on opposite sides of the draw whereas if he plays, Carlos could be in either side of the draw.

This post will be updated with the draw plus projected paths of the top seeds once they are known and any other relevant info.

I left Casper Ruud out of the poll as, despite his ranking, he has never won more than an opening round match at WB in 5 years, has participated in no grass court warm up events and there are other good grass court players who posters may prefer to vote for. The same applies to Andrey Rublev who hasn’t made it past a QF in a slam in 25 attempts. Arguably Berrettini should have made the poll.

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Thats a tough draw for Jannik!



 
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Humble Crumble

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Marius_Hancu

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GMP is guaranteed a full-French course for his Q dinner. Again, a relatively older opponent, Janvier for the 3rd R Qs, however one who at 1.96 m tall might provide more resistance.

Again, some nifty GMP shots, e.g 1HBH blocked returns and DTL screaming winners in the corner.

Escoffier (reminds me of a famous cook and of Escude) was able to extend GMP only to a TB.
 

Rattie

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I already posted the tournament thread before you, @Rattie.
Sorry it wasn’t there when I started the thread but I got called away from the computer mid posting and when I got back didn't check again.
 

NYTennisfan

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I'm going to say Carlos wins again mainly due to bias but I think Sinner should be the slight favorite on grass. Never count out Djokovic either, especially with him being on a revenge path.

My darkhorse is Hurkacz. Game tailor made for grass and has improved significantly off the ground in particular since testing Djokovic last year. He likely doesn't have the mental strength to go all the way but he has the game to threaten the top guys.
 

BeatlesFan

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My darkhorse is Hurkacz.
He's almost certainly never winning a slam, he gets nervous and error prone in pressure moments. He played Sinner absolutely even in Halle until he totally collapsed in the second set TB. He may play spoiler at Wimbledon, but he's not winning the title, as you pointed out. Great grass game, lousy mental strength.
 

Enceladus

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The British Royal Family's relationship with Wimbledon Championships dates back to the early 20th century, more in this article:

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Wimbledon tennis tournament is a big ticket item on the U.K. social calendar, but beyond that it has earned global cachet for offering attendees a quintessentially British experience. Think Pimm's Cup cocktails, strawberries and cream, and the opportunity to catch a glimpse of the British royal family, dressed to the nines, besides celebrity guests in the Royal Box.

But as the two-week sporting event—which debuted in 1877—returns to its namesake London suburb between July 1-14, there could be one glaring absence from courtside. Kate Middleton, the Princess of Wales and incumbent patron of Wimbledon’s All England Lawn Tennis & Croquet Club (AELTC), has taken a break from royal duties while she receives treatment for an undisclosed form of cancer, and could miss this year’s championships.

But all is not lost for fans holding out hope for Kate’s presence at Wimbledon. The Princess of Wales recently delighted fans when she attended the annual Trooping the Colour parade on June 15. She was seen waving from the balcony of Buckingham Palace alongside King Charles III and Queen Camilla, as well as Prince William and their three children Prince George, Princess Charlotte, and Prince Louis. Ahead of her appearance, Kensington Palace shared a statement from Kate on its social media accounts. The royal said she hopes to join a few public engagements over the summer, but added that she’s “not out of the woods yet.”

A known lover and skilled player of tennis, Kate has become a regular fixture at the tournament. Over the years, the mother-of-three has been spotted enjoying intense games with William, the Prince of Wales, and her children Prince George, 10, and Princess Charlotte, 9. She has also had the honor of presenting trophies to tennis stars Novak Djokovic, Marketa Vondrousova, and Elena Rybakina. Her presence, for many, has become part of the charm and appeal of the matches.

“The royals and Wimbledon have one thing in common,” royal historian Richard Fitzwilliams tells TIME. “They are the world’s most high profile family and Wimbledon, I would argue, is the world’s most high profile tennis tournament.”

But Kate is not the first royal with a strong connection to the tournament, with relations between the royal family and the tournament dating back to the early 20th century and further shaped by the Duke and Duchess of Kent.

“The royals are as synonymous with Wimbledon as strawberries and cream or Henman Hill [within the grounds of the tournament],” Katie Nicholl, royal editor at Vanity Fair and author of Kate: The Future Queen, tells TIME. For Fitzwilliams, Wimbledon and the royal family have “a symbiotic relationship.”

As Wimbledon returns, here’s what to know about the royal family’s deep rooted history with the sporting spectacle.

What is the royal family’s early relationship with tennis?

The British royal family’s relationship with tennis dates back even further than their relationship with the tournament and is said to have begun with Henry VIII, the first royal with a recorded interest in tennis. It is understood that Henry was a talented player in his youth and would spend hours on the court. In 1519, the Venetian Ambassador wrote that “it was the prettiest thing in the world” to watch Henry play tennis, according to the Historic Royal Palaces website.

Between 1526 and 1529, the first tennis court was erected at Hampton Court Palace for Cardinal Wolsey, later to be replaced by a new court for Charles I in 1625. “Cardinal Wolsey apparently, was the first person to pair strawberries with whipped cream. It was at a banquet that he mixed them,” Fitzwilliams says. Since then, the sweet treat has been widely associated with tennis spectatorship in the U.K.

It would be three decades since the first Wimbledon tournament before a member of the royal family attended a match. King George V and Queen Mary were the first royals to attend in 1907 before they ascended the throne.

Three years later, George V was asked by then secretary for the Wimbledon Club George Hillyard to take on the role of president at the All England Club and present trophies to the winners. The tradition has been carried out by royals into the present day.

In 1926, King George VI, father to Queen Elizabeth II, made history as the first—and last—royal to participate in the tournament. Then the Duke of York, he competed in the men’s doubles tournament with his friend and mentor Sir Louis Greig to no avail: “He lost fairly ignominiously,” says Fitzwilliams.

Which royals are most associated with Wimbledon?

Over the years, a number of royals have been spotted enjoying a tense Wimbledon match, from Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, to Meghan Markle, the Duchess of Sussex. The Duchess attended in 2016, before she married into the royal family and twice again as a royal in 2018 and 2019, to support her friend and tennis champion Serena Williams.

Queen Elizabeth served as patron of AELTC from 1952 until 2016, but she only attended the tournament four times during that entire span. “On her 90th birthday she retired from the role, handing the baton on to Kate,” says Fitzwilliams, noting that the late Queen’s scarce appearances suggest she held little favor for the sport compared to her enthusiasm for the Royal Ascot and the Windsor Horse Show.

Prior to Kate becoming the royal most synonymous with tennis, Prince Edward, the Duke, and his wife Katharine, Duchess of Kent, were best known for their influence at Wimbledon.
The Duke of Kent was appointed president of the AELTC in 1969, and was known for having a hands-on approach for five decades. He presented winners’ trophies to champions at the end of the tournament until his retirement in 2021. The Duchess of Kent also gave out trophies but was present for more tender moments with the athletes, such as letting Jana Novotná cry on her shoulder in 1993, a memorable Wimbledon moment for Fitzwilliams.

“The long-standing representative of Wimbledon was always the Duchess of Kent, and she did it with such glamor and panache and style, and clearly had an absolute love of the sport,” says Nicholl, who describes Kate as her “perfect replacement.”

Appointed in 2016 as the Queen’s replacement, Kate has brought a touch of youth and a renewed interest in Wimbledon courtside fashion to the tournament. Fashion commentators eagerly follow Kate’s Wimbledon wardrobe each year, which has historically included garments from luxury fashion brands Alexander McQueen, Dolce & Gabbana, and Balmain.

What is Kate Middleton’s role at Wimbledon?

The Princess of Wales’ role as Patron of the AELTC predominantly involves her attendance at matches to boost the profile of the tournament each year. There is also a charitable aspect to the role, supported by the Wimbledon Foundation, that requires her to visit local initiatives and sports programs, as well as engage with young people.

“A role like that is so enhanced when you have a member of the royal family who actually does love tennis,” says Nicholl, noting that Kate is a passionate fan of the sport based on their conversations.

“If you ever want to see a competitive streak between her and her husband, put them on the tennis court, because that's where it comes out,” Nicholl adds, noting that Kate is likely the better player between the two.

“Kate has a very commanding presence in that Royal Box. She's always wearing a fantastic outfit. But more than that, it's her enthusiasm when she's watching a great game. She's so involved,” Nicholls says.

What is the Royal Box?

Reserved for members of the royal family and high profile guests, the Royal Box has been a fixture at Wimbledon since 1922. Until 2003, it was tradition for players to bow and curtsy towards the Royal Box when Queen Elizabeth was present. The box is home to the most coveted seats and invitations are issued by the Chair of the All England Club, a role currently held by former professional tennis player Deborah Jevans.

The box has been the setting of a number of iconic royal sightings, from Princess Diana bringing a young Prince William in 1991, to Meghan Markle joining her sister-in-law Kate in 2018. The box has also hosted famous musicians and actors; 2023’s tournament saw the attendance of Ariana Grande, Jonathan Bailey, Brad Pitt, Guy Ritchie, Daniel Craig, Rachel Weisz, and more.

The box is a “mutually supportive” fixture, says Fitzwilliams, noting that the royals “invariably get good photo opportunities” when sitting courtside, and this in turn raises the profile and appeal of the tournament each year.
 

travlerajm

Talk Tennis Guru
Top 16 of 32 Seeds:
1. Jannik Sinner
2. Novak Djokovic
3. Carlos Alcaraz (defending champion)
4. Alexander Zverev
5. Daniil Medvedev
6. Andrey Rublev
7. Hubie Hurkacz
8. Casper Ruud
9. A;ex de Minaur
10. Grigor Dimitrov
11. Stefanos Tsitsipas
12. Tommy Paul
13. Taylor Fritz
14. Ben Shelton
15. Holger Rune
16. Ugo Humbert.

Further seeds:

All the wildcards have been awarded to Brits ….controversially excluding Milos Raonic, a former finalist, who has returned following a long absence due to injury and shown form worthy of consideration for a wild card.

Wild cards:​

Liam Broady #145
Charles Broom #235
Jan Choinski #176
Jacob Fearnley #274
Arthir Fery #249
Billy Harris #139
Paul Jubb #292
Henry Searle #570 (winner of junior WB 2023)

Andy Murray has yet to make a decision as to his participation following his back injury.

Currently there remains a question mark over Djokovic’s participation due to his recent knee surgery although he is currently at the venue practising. He will make a decision prior to the draw which is scheduled for 10am Friday UK time, according to media reports.
He is seeded #2 so his presence or absence has a significant effect on the draw as, should he withdraw, Sinner and Alcaraz will be on opposite sides of the draw whereas if he plays, Carlos could be in either side of the draw.

This post will be updated with the draw plus projected paths of the top seeds once they are known and any other relevant info.

I left Casper Ruud out of the poll as, despite his ranking, he has never won more than an opening round match at WB in 5 years, has participated in no grass court warm up events and there are other good grass court players who posters may prefer to vote for. The same applies to Andrey Rublev who hasn’t made it past a QF in a slam in 25 attempts. Arguably Berrettini should have made the poll.
If the current WC policy were in place in 2001, Goran would still be slamless.
 

Mainad

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The British Royal Family's relationship with Wimbledon Championships dates back to the early 20th century, more in this article:

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The late Queen showed little interest in tennis and only visited Wimbledon 4 times in her 70 year reign. The present monarch doesn't seem to have much interest either. If Princess Kate can't attend then I wonder if they will get her husband to stand in for her?
 

Humble Crumble

Semi-Pro
If we're talking in terms of military medals, the Wimbledon trophy is the Victoria Cross. It may not be the shiniest or biggest trophy, but nothing else compares.
 

Enceladus

Legend
The late Queen showed little interest in tennis and only visited Wimbledon 4 times in her 70 year reign. The present monarch doesn't seem to have much interest either. If Princess Kate can't attend then I wonder if they will get her husband to stand in for her?
I expect so. Prince William is very interested in tennis and he is an annual presenced at Wimbledon.
 

Rattie

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“Andy Murray says he will most likely not play singles at Wimbledon, but states that the rehab from his spinal cyst operation is going well. Mentions that he has every right to wait to see how he feels, even after the draw is made:

“I am trying everything I can to play, I'm practising on the court, I'm rehabbing and trying to accelerate this process to give myself a chance to play. It has been mentioned to me, are you going to withdraw before the draw at 10am on Friday? And I'm like: ‘Well, no, I'm not. I'm going to wait until the last minute to see if I'm going to be able to and I've earned that right to do that.

This is not clear cut where I am 100% going to be ready to play or there is a 0% chance that I can play. That is the situation. I would say it's probably more unlikely that I'm not able to play singles right now. I'm also f****** doing rehab 24/7 to try to give myself that opportunity to play there again.”

Not dropping out before a draw is contentious. As he isn’t ranked, does it really matter in the way it would for a top seed? Agree or disagree with Andy here?
 

Enceladus

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The draw has to be rigged 1v4 2v3 as a backstop if Joker withdraws before R1. Right?

Can't have another '17 US mess.
If Djoker withdraws before the draw, then Alcaraz will take the 2nd seed. If Djoker withdraws after the draw and before the program is published, then the 5th seed, which is Medvedev, will take his place in the draw..
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster

“Andy Murray says he will most likely not play singles at Wimbledon, but states that the rehab from his spinal cyst operation is going well. Mentions that he has every right to wait to see how he feels, even after the draw is made:

“I am trying everything I can to play, I'm practising on the court, I'm rehabbing and trying to accelerate this process to give myself a chance to play. It has been mentioned to me, are you going to withdraw before the draw at 10am on Friday? And I'm like: ‘Well, no, I'm not. I'm going to wait until the last minute to see if I'm going to be able to and I've earned that right to do that.

This is not clear cut where I am 100% going to be ready to play or there is a 0% chance that I can play. That is the situation. I would say it's probably more unlikely that I'm not able to play singles right now. I'm also f****** doing rehab 24/7 to try to give myself that opportunity to play there again.”

Not dropping out before a draw is contentious. As he isn’t ranked, does it really matter in the way it would for a top seed? Agree or disagree with Andy here?
Remember Murray messing up the 2017 US Open draw? Murray was the number 2 seed, fans were hoping for a Nadal vs. Federer final (Nadal and Federer had been the best 2 players all year), and Murray pulled out after the draw had been made, even though it had been pretty obvious for sometime that Murray wouldn't be able to play. Nadal and Federer then ended up in the same half of the draw.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
I agree with him that the powers-to-be are morons for not having a longer grass season
The grass season is a week longer since 2015 than it used to be before that.

From 2014 and before, Queen's Club and Halle both started the day after the French Open finished, and we'd already be on the first Thursday of Wimbledon today.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
McEnroe and Chris Evert both have picked Alcaraz to defend his title with Sinner coming in (barely) behind him in their view.

When asked about their predictions yesterday:

Mac: "I would still say in my view, Alcaraz is the guy who will win Wimbledon, but I think Sinner’s just right there just behind him... Alcaraz has the better volleys and more variety so I put him as the favorite. I don't believe Djokovic will be a factor, I stand by my prediction at the beginning of the year he will not win a major this year."

Evert: "Yeah, I think you’re right on the money. I think grass is so suited to Alcaraz’s game because he can improvise, be flexible, and show the variety in his game.

I think that Sinner is great but still has to work out the kinks in his grass game. I couldn’t believe how hard he was hitting the ball at the French Open. He pops that ball, and has power. He’s really improved his movement in and out of the corners, the way he was sliding on the clay in and out of the corners. He’s working on his all-court game, but he's still behind Carlos in that area.

I still think there’s not the finesse with Sinner, there’s not as much confidence because Carlos just beat him at the French Open. Alcaraz won the French Open and he won Wimbledon last year. I mean, Sinner’s got to have that in the back of his head."
 

dking68

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McEnroe and Chris Evert both have picked Alcaraz to defend his title with Sinner coming in (barely) behind him in their view.

When asked about their predictions yesterday:

Mac: "I would still say in my view, Alcaraz is the guy who will win Wimbledon, but I think Sinner’s just right there just behind him... Alcaraz has the better volleys and more variety so I put him as the favorite. I don't believe Djokovic will be a factor, I stand by my prediction at the beginning of the year he will not win a major this year."

Evert: "Yeah, I think you’re right on the money. I think grass is so suited to Alcaraz’s game because he can improvise, be flexible, and show the variety in his game.

I think that Sinner is great but still has to work out the kinks in his grass game. I couldn’t believe how hard he was hitting the ball at the French Open. He pops that ball, and has power. He’s really improved his movement in and out of the corners, the way he was sliding on the clay in and out of the corners. He’s working on his all-court game., but he's still behind Carlos in that area.

I still think there’s not the finesse with Sinner, there’s not as much confidence because Carlos just beat him at the French Open. Alcaraz won the French Open and he won Wimbledon last year. I mean, Sinner’s got to have that in the back of his head."
@NeutralFan i can’t wait for these deluded legends to be silenced by Sinner when Sinner rips Carlos’s pathetic serve apart
 
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