2024 Wimbledon Quarter Final matchup - [1] Jannik Sinner v/s [5] Daniil S. Medvedev

Who wins?

  • Meddy in 3

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Medvedev in 4

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Medvedev in 5

    Votes: 4 11.1%
  • Sinner in 3

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • Sinner in 4

    Votes: 17 47.2%
  • Sinner in 5

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .

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Bionic Poster
Sinner has been getting steadily worse at the Slams this year: final at AO (which he won), semi-final at RG, quarter-final at W and each of them a 5 setter. Hope this trend doesn't end up in a 4th round finish at the USO?? :unsure:
 

NYTennisfan

Hall of Fame
This post reminds me of how deleterious the effect of the big three's monopolization has been. 10+ majors is a really, really high bar. The majority of top players in the past did not achieve it. McEnroe did not. Connors did not. Lendl did not. Wilander did not. Agassi did not. Edberg did not. Becker did not. Courier did not. Between Wimbledon 1980 (when Borg won his 10th slam) and Australian Open 2007 (when Federer won his 10th slam), only one man won ten slams: Sampras got his 10th at Wimbledon 1997. So, in 26.5 years, only one man got to 10 slams.

Sinner will probably not win ten slams. But if he doesn't do so, that doesn't make him a failure. It doesn't even mean he isn't a top player.

And he does still have a decent shot at it. It's easier to wrack up multiple slams than it used to be. Still not easy, but easier.
The Big 3 set expectations of the New Gen to such absurdly high levels around here that it's impossible for them to live up to.

We've seen countless posts from the usual suspects about Alcaraz's failures and flaws, a just turned 21 year old that has won 3 slams all on different surfaces mind you which has never been accomplished at his age and 5 Masters. Why I don't know but I'm pretty sure it's because he's not Federer, Nadal or Djokovic.

Sinner will be fine. People are expecting CYGS from him or at least 3 slams a year so anything less is a failure. It's kind of crazy actually. Tennis is very competitive even in "weak era", it's hard to win slams at the rate that the previous gen did, one might say .... unprecedented.

Also, Med is a damn good player. He's way underrated around here so there's no shame whatsoever in losing to him.
 
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top10

Semi-Pro
Med could be a really dangerous grass player @end of his career - he just needs to take his time and gather himself when serving and then move forward on his own terms when he gets a chance (not on opponents drop shots only).
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, sometimes it seems to be that fans who grew up with the Big 3 era sort of expect that every generation will have a Big 3 caliber player - like 20+ Slams is an expected standard. But, it really doesn't have to be like that, and it's much more likely that even the best of a generation will have a more humanly-scaled Slam total - 7, 9, 12? - which are, less we forget, incredible totals, just not close to the Big 3. Also fans of the young stars seem to get WAY ahead of themselves. Sinner and Alcaraz are great players, obviously, and maybe Sinner and/or Alcaraz do go on to have a gaudy, dominant 15+ Slam career. But we're not there yet. There's all these proclamations of "just you wait and see." Well, let's truly "just wait and see" and stop bombarding with claims of future expected dominance. Let it play out.

I said the other day that I think Carlos and Jannik end up more like Agassi-to-Sampras than B3 hardware count
 

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
@Kralingen ah boy. I need to change that USO bet now now now now now
if you knew a little more about tennis instead of talking so much of hold stats and win percentage you would see sinner is not a big match player and he wasnt gonna dominate, i told you but you wouldnt listen, stats, stats, stats, now you gonna literally pay for your ignorance, i dont know how much you lost but see it as buying a lesson, next time dont think you know it all
 

dking68

Legend
if you knew a little more about tennis instead of talking so much of hold stats and win percentage you would see sinner is not a big match player and he wasnt gonna dominate, i told you but you wouldnt listen, stats, stats, stats, now you gonna literally pay for your ignorance, i dont know how much you lost but see it as buying a lesson, next time dont think you know it all
He will win USO.
 

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
He will win USO.
loool i have to say that even in a moment like this you have a good sense of humor, thats important and i respect it, and yeah he could win uso, who knows, he has the level, but overall, he isnt ready to dominate, and theres a reason (or many) why his younger rival has had far more success, thats all that i was saying all along
 

McGradey

Hall of Fame
He will win USO.
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bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
Forget about this guy's face and listen:
I like his created hybrid stat of "finishes" ground stroke winners + forced errors.

1. I know it's not always easy to differentiate between unforced and forced errors, but I still like this stat.

2. He is only applying "finishes" to ground strokes (again, ground strokes that end in a winner or forced error), and did not include aces/service winners, volley winners, and overheads. I think volley winners and overhead winners could be included in broader "finishes" stat. And, actually, since the stat is literally named "finishes," aces/service winners could be included as well, and you could just compare a player's "finishes" to UEs for a match. That said, the narrower definitions, looking at everything but serve, or looking at just ground strokes, are also useful in some circumstances.
 
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socallefty

G.O.A.T.
i have to say that even in a moment like this you have a good sense of humor,
What makes you think he is joking? He says Sinner will win every tournament he plays and usually waits only a few hours after each loss to sing the same sad song. Sinner wins a lot, but he is not going to win every tournament and anyone who points that out is being more sensible than this poster.
 

TheSlicer

Hall of Fame
What makes you think he is joking? He says Sinner will win every tournament he plays and usually waits only a few hours after each loss to sing the same sad song. Sinner wins a lot, but he is not going to win every tournament and anyone who points that out is being more sensible than this poster.
I just think is silly to bet so much basing yourself on stats and percentages when you dont have a good eye for tennis, and its specially disturbing when on top of that, you give lessons to everybody and Talk about how he gonna dominate with iron hand, if hes not joking, then he probably missed some oxygen at birth, you just cant be that stupid
 

DariaGT

Professional
Nice. The king of the pushers is going to be in the team of the tzar of the pushers. It's a day of joy for tennis.
Was hoping to never see Simon ever ever never again near a tennis court but join Agassi in pickling

Meds doing what he does like an Octopus at a level higher than Zverev with no injuries is a nightmare
this never ending tennis needs to be stamped out with faster balls asap.
 

pirhaksar

Professional
The Big 3 set expectations of the New Gen to such absurdly high levels around here that it's impossible for them to live up to.

We've seen countless posts from the usual suspects about Alcaraz's failures and flaws, a just turned 21 year old that has won 3 slams all on different surfaces mind you which has never been accomplished at his age and 5 Masters. Why I don't know but I'm pretty sure it's because he's not Federer, Nadal or Djokovic.

Sinner will be fine. People are expecting CYGS from him or at least 3 slams a year so anything less is a failure. It's kind of crazy actually. Tennis is very competitive even in "weak era", it's hard to win slams at the rate that the previous gen did, one might say .... unprecedented.

Also, Med is a damn good player. He's way underrated around here so there's no shame whatsoever in losing to him.
Very well said. I think Raz has overachieved a bit relative to his age and level while Sinner has underachieved a bit. Sinner needs to catch up now, bit disappointed to see him not progress here in Wimbledon despite his strengths.
 

DariaGT

Professional
Raz has not over achieved for his ability as mentally was no where near Nadal as most expected.
He is saving tennis with his creativity along with his tenacity. Playing all out aggressive tennis
has more risks than the percentage style of Nadal or Nole.

Sinner is doing the same but lacks the tenacity of Raz and is more of a downhill skier than a bull.
Sinner will have to find the gliding grace that Fed had to make his winners flow clinically which
takes more time to perfect, hence Fed shined later than Nadal.

On the other hand Raz will have to be more like Nadal by turning the heat on without exploding.
 
Was hoping to never see Simon ever ever never again near a tennis court but join Agassi in pickling

Meds doing what he does like an Octopus at a level higher than Zverev with no injuries is a nightmare
this never ending tennis needs to be stamped out with faster balls asap.
if tennis is sped up it wont be prettier just boom boom serve and serve plus 1 with no need of s&v and way more return errors and easy finishes
 

Rattie

Legend
To be fair to Sinner, he has played a LOT of tennis this year, going deep in every tournament he has played and winning 4 titles. His body has probably just got worn down and tired. Other players have pulled out of tournaments citing fatigue in the same kind of circumstances. He probably just needs some R&R
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
To be fair to Sinner, he has played a LOT of tennis this year, going deep in every tournament he has played and winning 4 titles. His body has probably just got worn down and tired. Other players have pulled out of tournaments citing fatigue in the same kind of circumstances. He probably just needs some R&R
Why are you being fair to Sinner

His fans polluted the board. They failed. 1 master and 1 slam in entire year and they were claiming he will completely take over the tennis world. He is incapable of that at least right now. Get fit and come back till then anybody can defeat him
 

Rattie

Legend
Why are you being fair to Sinner

His fans polluted the board. They failed. 1 master and 1 slam in entire year and they were claiming he will completely take over the tennis world. He is incapable of that at least right now. Get fit and come back till then anybody can defeat him
:-D That’s not his fault.

No one took those few seriously, they‘ll be back claiming the same once we reach the OG no doubt
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
To be fair to Sinner, he has played a LOT of tennis this year, going deep in every tournament he has played and winning 4 titles. His body has probably just got worn down and tired. Other players have pulled out of tournaments citing fatigue in the same kind of circumstances. He probably just needs some R&R
Sinner is currently Djokovic 2008.
Djoker won his first major at AO, won Indian Wells, won Rome, made RG semis, made Queens final, and lost in Wimbledon 2nd round. He pulled out during some matches or faltered early due to breathing issues and fitness.
Sinner is basically posting identical numbers at a similar age. Perhaps overplaying and still needing to work on his fitness and scheduling. Might take another 3 or so years, like Djokovic did, before he begins achieving multiple majors per season.
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
Raz has not over achieved for his ability as mentally was no where near Nadal as most expected.
He is saving tennis with his creativity along with his tenacity. Playing all out aggressive tennis
has more risks than the percentage style of Nadal or Nole.

Sinner is doing the same but lacks the tenacity of Raz and is more of a downhill skier than a bull.
Sinner will have to find the gliding grace that Fed had to make his winners flow clinically which
takes more time to perfect, hence Fed shined later than Nadal.
Good post.

People in here keep harping on about age, when Alcaraz was fully mature physically by the age of 18 or 19, while Sinner appears to have just finishing growing (or might still be growing). It's a world of difference. Numbers wise Alcaraz is younger, by physically Sinner is younger. Plus, in the long run, Sinner's tennis will be less taxing on his body than Alcaraz's.

if tennis is sped up it wont be prettier just boom boom serve and serve plus 1 with no need of s&v and way more return errors and easy finishes
If anything, they need to do something about the racquets/strings.

Yes somehow the mods are sleeping and allowing few bad apples to pollute the board.
What? Yes, there are some annoying Sinner fans around here, about equal in number to the annoying Alcaraz fans...

But you know what? The number of annoying Sinner and Alcaraz fans COMBINED isn't even a fraction of the annoying Novak fans. It's no contest. The big 3 have a huge monopoly on insufferable fans, and Novak's fans are at the top of the list, just like their dear leader...
 

Rattie

Legend
Sinner is currently Djokovic 2008.
Djoker won his first major at AO, won Indian Wells, won Rome, made RG semis, made Queens final, and lost in Wimbledon 2nd round. He pulled out during some matches or faltered early due to breathing issues and fitness.
Sinner is basically posting identical numbers at a similar age. Perhaps overplaying and still needing to work on his fitness and scheduling. Might take another 3 or so years, like Djokovic did, before he begins achieving multiple majors per season.
Tennis is a marathon and not a sprint. There’s a reason why the top marathon runners tend to be older.
 
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