2024 Wimbledon - Women's Discussion

Who will be 2024 Wimbledon women's singles champion?

  • Swiatek

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Gauff

    Votes: 1 5.6%
  • Sabalenka

    Votes: 5 27.8%
  • Rybakina

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • Pegula

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Vondrousova

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Paolini

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Zheng

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Sakkari

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other ...

    Votes: 5 27.8%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .
Congrats to Barbora Krejcikova - after getting outplayed the first part of the match, she takes it from Elena Rybakina in three sets, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4. This guarantees an 8th straight different winner for ladies championship @ Wimbledon. Well done.

Krejcikova/Paolini Final - didn't see that coming but an intriguing match-up nonetheless, and they have outplayed the rest of the field when it matters most. Down to two.
 
Elena simply didn’t show up today. The way she got broken twice in the first set…she was lucky she got of that one, but the signs were all there that she wasn’t completely settled in.
She didn't show up for her last match at the FO either. It's hard to build a great career when you regularly squander opportunities by being unfocused and erratic.

Rybakina reminds me of Hana Mandlikova, a supremely talented player who could thrash literally any opponent when at her best, but was too flakey to be at or close to her best routinely. Still, Mandlikova managed to win four slams and make four other finals -- not a bad resume in the end.
 
Damn I am so torn between who I want to win the title.
I've felt for a while Krejcikova just hasn't played near her ceiling level for quite some time. This result is surprising but not shocking given her all surface game. It would be great if she backed up her 2021 RG title and added W on Saturday. To think BK could be a two time major titlist on tour ahead of Rybakina and Gauff and equal to Sabalenka is impressive.
On the other hand I feel like this consistency from Jasmine deserves a payoff as she's now up to #5 in the world and proving herself to be a force on all surfaces too.
Let's hope Saturday is a great final and may the best lady win...
 
Congrats to Barbora, she does have the more complete game. A shame Elena couldn't once again lift when it mattered.

I think she needs to figure out a way to be free in those tight points, instead of fearing unforced errors or spraying shots well out. I've always been surprised at the power she has from her swing speed, doesn't look super fast. I feel like she could use a better racquet setup that allows her to swing for the hills more in those scenarios and still keep the ball in. Anyway, that's my take.
 
Between the human drama of the first match with Barb's sublime level in the second match, it's the best set of GS semifinals in recent memory.

Sublime in the face of adversity, too!

And *all* the drama, today, was actually about the bit where humans hit fluffy yellow balls over a net – none was about the meta-game, the shot-clock, whether the clay was slippery, arguments with the chair, taunting the crowd, etc.
 
Sad for Rybakina but honestly hell yes for Krejcikova. As I said a few days ago, when she’s on, she’s the best. She was up there with Swiatek and Sabalenka for a bit. Just dropped her game but here we go!

Bring on this fantastic final.
 
Sad for Rybakina but honestly hell yes for Krejcikova. As I said a few days ago, when she’s on, she’s the best. She was up there with Swiatek and Sabalenka for a bit. Just dropped her game but here we go!

Bring on this fantastic final.
Reminds me again how Stan just could not deal with the variety from Federer hahaha, a beast at his best then a drub against canvas artists
 
Elena just completely outplayed by a craftier player, like against Ons last year. Sadly she has to many weaknesses in her game, her footwork was quite sloppy today when Barbora found depth, just not as explosive on her feet like Sabalenka or Swiatek are.
Between this and the Euros, rough week for ya :( Rybakina’s coaching situation is where my attention immediately goes. Two years in a row she’s had basically the same loss, her gameplan goes kaput when she gets change ups. Part of it is athletic limitations but her ballstriking seemed so naive at times. Pressing. Not sure the fix.
 
Between this and the Euros, rough week for ya :( Rybakina’s coaching situation is where my attention immediately goes. Two years in a row she’s had basically the same loss, her gameplan goes kaput when she gets change ups. Part of it is athletic limitations but her ballstriking seemed so naive at times. Pressing. Not sure the fix.

Tbh I watch international football competitions but I don't really care that much lol. The tricky thing is that her coach is the one who believed in her and it's mainly thanks to him that she is where she is now. Also I've read some rumors saying that they could be dating, but there is no proof.
 
Only better than Shapo IMO. Elena's not as good as Kournikova or Sabatini. But prettier than Shapo for sure.
I agree, Rybakina is prettier than Denis Shapovalov.

Wow, after a year, the Czech female tennis player is again in the Wimbledon final!!! Congratulations Barbora!

She managed to surprise the tennis world again! I didn't really believe that she would beat Rybakina, but she was able to outplay her with a smart game.
Krejcikova did play a very smart game, but at the same time, Rybakina's level wasn't close to her level when she destroyed Wozniacki 6-0, 6-1 and cruised by Svitolina 6-3, 6-2. Part of that is Krejcikova's doing, but Rybakina's best weapon, her first serve, which Krejcikova has no control over, was deficient relative to normal.

She didn't show up for her last match at the FO either. It's hard to build a great career when you regularly squander opportunities by being unfocused and erratic.

Rybakina reminds me of Hana Mandlikova, a supremely talented player who could thrash literally any opponent when at her best, but was too flakey to be at or close to her best routinely. Still, Mandlikova managed to win four slams and make four other finals -- not a bad resume in the end.
Yep. Rybakina failed to focus and played the big points poorly. She had so many chances to break and squandered most of them.

Elena just completely outplayed by a craftier player, like against Ons last year. Sadly she has to many weaknesses in her game, her footwork was quite sloppy today when Barbora found depth, just not as explosive on her feet like Sabalenka or Swiatek are.
Well, not "completely outplayed." Rybakina actually won 1 more point in the match than Krejcikova, 92 to 91.

Between this and the Euros, rough week for ya :( Rybakina’s coaching situation is where my attention immediately goes. Two years in a row she’s had basically the same loss, her gameplan goes kaput when she gets change ups. Part of it is athletic limitations but her ballstriking seemed so naive at times. Pressing. Not sure the fix.
I agree. I've long thought that Rybakina needs a coaching change. The dynamic in her box has always seemed awkward. A better coach would raise her first serve percentage at least a little bit and train her more on tactics - primarily where to anticipate where her opponent is more likely to go considering one of Rybakina's main weaknesses is her lack of movement.
 
Looks like it will be another boring blowout final


Krejcikova and Paolini have met only once before, quite some time ago and at a completely different level -- a first-round qualifying match at the 2018 Australian Open, when they were both ranked outside the Top 100. Krejcikova won that match handily 6-2, 6-1. We're down to the final two at Wimbledon.
 
Looks like it will be another boring blowout final


Krejcikova and Paolini have met only once before, quite some time ago and at a completely different level -- a first-round qualifying match at the 2018 Australian Open, when they were both ranked outside the Top 100. Krejcikova won that match handily 6-2, 6-1. We're down to the final two at Wimbledon.
Why assume a blowout based on that match?
 
To bad for Rybakina. In some ways I like this stuff though cause I get tired of bozos declaring everyone who wins a slam the next GOAT.
Hard to do that when no woman can win 2 slams in a calendar year. Swiatek in 2022 and Kerber in 2016 are our most recent. Barty and Osaka twice held two slams at the same time but not in the same year but still. Just inconsistency always.
 
2 first time singles finalists but barbora has won so many big titles in doubles. She knows how to win. Paolini is a great late bloomer and crowdpleaser. Good luck to both. Hope its better than the last few finals (2021 was just drama without living to its full potential).
 
2 first time singles finalists but barbora has won so many big titles in doubles. She knows how to win. Paolini is a great late bloomer and crowdpleaser. Good luck to both. Hope its better than the last few finals (2021 was just drama without living to its full potential).
“2 first time singles finalists”.

What? JP was in the FO finals this year.
BK won the French.
 
Looks like it will be another boring blowout final


Krejcikova and Paolini have met only once before, quite some time ago and at a completely different level -- a first-round qualifying match at the 2018 Australian Open, when they were both ranked outside the Top 100. Krejcikova won that match handily 6-2, 6-1. We're down to the final two at Wimbledon.

Thats 6 years ago bud - Paolini is already far better than she was last year.
 
I got the opposite final to the one I wanted but I actually really like the two players who qualified for it, which is rare.
I'll be sad for whoever is the runner-up though: Paolini because it would be her second successive Slam final loss, Krejcikova because of the whole Novotna legacy.
 
So here we are. A couple of compelling matches for sure, and further evidence of what SOME of us noticed quite a while ago...

Paolini making back to back major finals tells you all you need to know about the state of womens tennis
Exactly.

Bizarre that a 28-year-old player with a mere two singles titles in her career should suddenly bippity-bop her way into two straight slam finals.
Yep, see above. Bizarre and further proof that the level of play is quite poor right now, or at best highly inconsistent.

Yeah amazing. I would like to see a detailed analysis of what changed. Like "she already had all that pace on her ground strokes, but too many UE" or "Her ground strokes went up by 10mph in the last two years". Very curious what made the difference.
Part of it seems to be good coaching/preparation. I'm not sure if her current team is new, or she just started listening to them, but she is playing smart tactically against everyone she faces, with great gameplans. Sometimes she isn't good enough to make it work, but she generally at least trying to do the right thing.

That said, some people have mentioned her racquet, and I don't know what she was using in the past, but currently she is swinging very freely with good control and consistency. Kind of reminds me of Baez on the Men's side, who is supposedly also using the Vcore 100, and also taking huge, powerful swings at the ball.

There were 13 breaks and 21 break points in that match, a single break is hardly evidence that Keys should have won. It was still a wide open match after Paolini broke back in the third.
You just sabotaged your own argument! Keys was up 5-2, which means she just needed one of the next three games, be it a hold or a break. Keys was as likely to break for the win as she was to serve it out. You can't use a stat to question if Keys would hold and then not use the same stat to question Paolini holding.

Beyond that, if you were actually watching the match, it was firmly in Keys' hands. She slipped up in the second set, blowing the lead, but she got right back on track and was looking dominant. Paolini was on edge and flustered, and Keys was cruising...

90% or more certain rybakina is winning this Wimbledon.

She has no threat
Amazing call. Your tennis acumen is clearly enormous!

Make it hurt
6-1 6-0 or something
Again, amazing.

Bára has a unique ability to lead her opponents out of the concept, so she can play a balanced game even with the biggest hitting female tennis players. When she is in form, she varies the ball very well and places it very cleverly.
Yes, clever placement and variation are effective... and yet you have people in here that question whether Graf and Navratilova would dominate the current field. People that think Graf's slice wouldn't bother current players, or that these players could easily overpower her or Martina (both of whom were 100x faster, more athletic and better movers than Krejckova).

As a Rybakina fan, Krejcikova was the only player I feared if she ever made it this far. And that's exactly what happened.
I don't think anyone else in the draw would've had the skill set needed to resist and ultimately beat Rybakina at Wimbledon.
Yes, because nobody else really plays like that on a consistent basis.

Again, we have a poor woman's version of a 1990's player in Barbora', and she is taking people apart when on her game.
 
So here we are. A couple of compelling matches for sure, and further evidence of what SOME of us noticed quite a while ago...


Exactly.


Yep, see above. Bizarre and further proof that the level of play is quite poor right now, or at best highly inconsistent.


Part of it seems to be good coaching/preparation. I'm not sure if her current team is new, or she just started listening to them, but she is playing smart tactically against everyone she faces, with great gameplans. Sometimes she isn't good enough to make it work, but she generally at least trying to do the right thing.

That said, some people have mentioned her racquet, and I don't know what she was using in the past, but currently she is swinging very freely with good control and consistency. Kind of reminds me of Baez on the Men's side, who is supposedly also using the Vcore 100, and also taking huge, powerful swings at the ball.


You just sabotaged your own argument! Keys was up 5-2, which means she just needed one of the next three games, be it a hold or a break. Keys was as likely to break for the win as she was to serve it out. You can't use a stat to question if Keys would hold and then not use the same stat to question Paolini holding.

Beyond that, if you were actually watching the match, it was firmly in Keys' hands. She slipped up in the second set, blowing the lead, but she got right back on track and was looking dominant. Paolini was on edge and flustered, and Keys was cruising...


Amazing call. Your tennis acumen is clearly enormous!


Again, amazing.


Yes, clever placement and variation are effective... and yet you have people in here that question whether Graf and Navratilova would dominate the current field. People that think Graf's slice wouldn't bother current players, or that these players could easily overpower her or Martina (both of whom were 100x faster, more athletic and better movers than Krejckova).


Yes, because nobody else really plays like that on a consistent basis.

Again, we have a poor woman's version of a 1990's player in Barbora', and she is taking people apart when on her game.

It is a stretch to say barbora is that slow. She probably is slower but the advances in the womens game with the power employed shouldnt be dismissed. I would fancy chances against both graf and navratilova off grass
 
It is a stretch to say barbora is that slow. She probably is slower but the advances in the womens game with the power employed shouldnt be dismissed. I would fancy chances against both graf and navratilova off grass
She isn't painfully slow or super slow, just noticeably slower than Graf and Navratilova, who were both amazing athletes and great movers. And yes, there is a lot more power in the women's game now, but I'm merely pointing out that this is further proof that different styles of play can defuse that power when used effectively. I like Kreijckova, but she is a slightly inferior imitation of Barty, who herself is an inferior imitation of past greats with variety and smarts.
 
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Many big names fell by the wayside but they still will be collecting a decent paycheck
for their fortnight's work.

Rybakina$928,000 US
Vekic$928,000 US
Svitolina$487,000 US
Ostapenko$487,000 US
Sun$487,000 US
Navarro$487,000 US
Collins$293,000 US
Putin$293,000 US
Wang$293,000 US
Kalinskaya$293,000 US
Gauff $293,000 US
Raducanu $293,000 US
Badosa$293,000 US
Keys$293,000 US
 
She isn't painfully slow or super slow, just noticeably slower than Graf and Navratilova, who were both amazing athletes and great movers. And yes, there is a lot more power in the women's game now, but I'm merely pointing out that this is further proof that different styles of play can defuse that power when used effectively. I like Kreijckova, but she is a slightly inferior imitation of Barty, who herself is a inferior imitation of past greats with variety and smarts.
We have no real way of knowing just like most top 100 players would have a great chance against borg, if only by his own admission
 
Katerina Siniakova will play for a third women's doubles title at Wimbledon after ending Hsieh Su-Wei's winning streak at the tournament.

Siniakova and Taylor Townsend beat the top-seeded pairing of Hsieh and Elise Mertens 3-6, 6-4, 6-4 on No. 1 Court on Friday.

In Saturday's final they will play second-seeded Erin Routliffe and Gabriela Dabrowski, a New Zealand-Canada pair who beat American duo Caroline Dolehide and Desirae Krawczyk 6-4, 6-3.

Hsieh has won four Wimbledon doubles titles, including the last three times the Taiwanese played the tournament. That included 2021 together with Mertens and last year, when the Belgian was on the other side of the net in the final. The 2020 edition was canceled because of the pandemic, and Hsieh was injured in 2022.

Siniakova captured the title in 2022 and 2018 with fellow Czech Barbora Krejcikova -- who reached this year's singles final -- and also won this year's French Open together with Coco Gauff for her eighth major doubles title overall.

Townsend is looking for a first Grand Slam title after runner-up finishes at her home US Open in 2022 and French Open last year.

Routliffe and Dabrowski won the 2023 US Open doubles title but are looking for a first Wimbledon trophy. The 32-year-old Dabrowski is playing at Wimbledon for the 10th time and was runner-up in 2019 together with Xu Yifan.
 
We have no real way of knowing just like most top 100 players would have a great chance against borg, if only by his own admission
Borg's separation from the current game is much wider than that of Navratilova, and especially Graf. Borg was nowhere near using modern equipment (at least in his prime, not talking about comebacks), and so his style was of course completely different. I mean, it's pretty incredible that guys like McEnroe and Conners found even moderate success when their careers saw such a huge shift in the way the game was played. It's a testament to how good they both really were.

But back to Navratilova, she was still playing pretty well into the more modern era of the WTA, even winning some slams in mixed, and Graf was absolutely overlapping with the modern WTA, as she played Serena twice, and both matches were super close, and they split the wins. She also played Venus 4 or 5 times, depending on the stats you find, and won 2 or 3 of them (again, depending on the source). And we are talking about an older, physically struggling Graf against the younger Williams sisters, who didn't have the benefit of experience, but Serena did win her first slam in '99 (the year she played Graf), and Venus won a year later.

So we have actual evidence of Graf playing against two players who dominated the modern game until fairly recently, and Graf at the end of her career was holding up very well against them. Prime Graf would absolutely dominate the 2024 WTA tour, just as she did in the late '80's and '90's. Likewise, prime Serena would still be dominant today, as would Venus.
 
did donna Vekic blow the one and only chance to win the Wimbledon title ? Had she beaten Paolini like she was supposed to have,,, she would have played Krijekova and she owns her , beat her fairly badly in the challengers
 
Good quote @spystud about the doubles.

Additionally, Erin Routliffe will become the new womens doubles #1. I would have to imagine she’s the first New Zealand woman to become number 1. Insane feat for her. And what a tournament from the Kiwi’s after Lulu Sun did well for NZ in the singles.
 
Borg's separation from the current game is much wider than that of Navratilova, and especially Graf. Borg was nowhere near using modern equipment (at least in his prime, not talking about comebacks), and so his style was of course completely different. I mean, it's pretty incredible that guys like McEnroe and Conners found even moderate success when their careers saw such a huge shift in the way the game was played. It's a testament to how good they both really were.

But back to Navratilova, she was still playing pretty well into the more modern era of the WTA, even winning some slams in mixed, and Graf was absolutely overlapping with the modern WTA, as she played Serena twice, and both matches were super close, and they split the wins. She also played Venus 4 or 5 times, depending on the stats you find, and won 2 or 3 of them (again, depending on the source). And we are talking about an older, physically struggling Graf against the younger Williams sisters, who didn't have the benefit of experience, but Serena did win her first slam in '99 (the year she played Graf), and Venus won a year later.

So we have actual evidence of Graf playing against two players who dominated the modern game until fairly recently, and Graf at the end of her career was holding up very well against them. Prime Graf would absolutely dominate the 2024 WTA tour, just as she did in the late '80's and '90's. Likewise, prime Serena would still be dominant today, as would Venus.
Well written.. but you even admit that its easier to have data. I think grafs serve and return may be tested a lot more and her late takeback for the forehand may have to change

I am really nervous now waiting for the finalm just dont want one or both to freeze with nerves etc
 
Good quote @spystud about the doubles.

Additionally, Erin Routliffe will become the new womens doubles #1. I would have to imagine she’s the first New Zealand woman to become number 1. Insane feat for her. And what a tournament from the Kiwi’s after Lulu Sun did well for NZ in the singles.
Good for her. I still want townsend to cash in on her investment in super siniakova.
 
As always, the updated list of majors winners since 2010:

Schiavone: FO - 2010

Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011

Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014

Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014

Stosur: USO 2011

Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014

Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013

Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013

Pennetta: USO 2015

Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018

Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017

Ostapenko: FO 2017

Stephens: USO 2017

Wozniacki: AO 2018

Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019 and 2021

Barty: FO 2019, Wimbledon 2021 & A0 2022

Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019

Andreescu: 2019 USO

Kenin: AO 2020

Krejčíková: FO 2021, Wimbledon 2024

Raducanu: USO 2021

Świątek: FO 2020 & 2022, 2023, 2024 & USO 2022

Rybakina: Wimbledon 2022

Sabalenka: AO 2023

Vondroušová: Wimbledon 2023

Gauff: USO 2023

Sabalenka: AO 2024

I believed Krejčíková could win this Wimbledon title, and she's achieved that! No longer a one-major wonder, I hope she is just a formidable going forward.
 
As always, the updated list of majors winners since 2010:

Schiavone: FO - 2010

Clijsters: USO 2010 & AO 2011

Li Na: FO 2011 & AO 2014

Kvitova: Wimbledon 2011 & 2014

Stosur: USO 2011

Sharapova: FO 2012 & FO 2014

Azarenka: AO 2012 & 2013

Bartoli: Wimbledon 2013

Pennetta: USO 2015

Kerber: AO 2016, USO 2016 & Wimbledon 2018

Muguruza: FO 2016 & Wimbledon 2017

Ostapenko: FO 2017

Stephens: USO 2017

Wozniacki: AO 2018

Osaka: USO 2018, 2020 & AO 2019 and 2021

Barty: FO 2019, Wimbledon 2021 & A0 2022

Halep: FO 2018 & Wimbledon 2019

Andreescu: 2019 USO

Kenin: AO 2020

Krejčíková: FO 2021, Wimbledon 2024

Raducanu: USO 2021

Świątek: FO 2020 & 2022, 2023, 2024 & USO 2022

Rybakina: Wimbledon 2022

Sabalenka: AO 2023

Vondroušová: Wimbledon 2023

Gauff: USO 2023

Sabalenka: AO 2024

I believed Krejčíková could win this Wimbledon title, and she's achieved that! No longer a one-major wonder, I hope she is just a formidable going forward.

Why pray tell is the most obvious one missing from your list?
How quickly we forget Serena won 12 slams since 2010. :rolleyes:
 
Why pray tell is the most obvious one missing from your list?
How quickly we forget Serena won 12 slams since 2010. :rolleyes:
If you recall, I responded to this from you some time ago, where I explained the absence of Serena since 2010 was to illustrate to ScentOfDefeat--who at the time, constantly made the idiotic claim: "Serena wins everything" or the bitter statement, "Just give Serena the trophy"--that a great number of women, including some multi-majors title holders--were winning in the period in question.
 
If you recall, I responded to this from you some time ago, where I explained the absence of Serena since 2010 was to illustrate to ScentOfDefeat--who at the time, constantly made the idiotic claim: "Serena wins everything" or the bitter statement, "Just give Serena the trophy"--that a great number of women, including some multi-majors title holders--were winning in the period in question.

OK thanks for reminding me.
Just for the future, to avoid giving this explanation, could you explain that the list does NOT include Serena?

Otherwise people will wonder. They (as I) may not have seen the discussion with ScentOfDefeat.
 
Not many comments on the final in here, but I assume there is another thread (I'm not checking, because I still haven't seen the men's final and I don't want it spoiled for me).

Anyway, nice win for Krejcikova. She deserved it for having a much harder path to the final, and for being the better player in the final. I'm also really happy for her, as she seems like a nice, humble woman, and she plays lovely tennis.

In my opinion she showed that she was pretty far superior to Paolini. Yes, she got tight in the second set and didn't play well, but at a certain point it seemed like everything was going Paolini's way, and that must have been hard for Krejcikova to deal with. Overall, Krejcikova's tennis was smarter, more skilled, and more interesting. If anything, I think Paolini played (and has been playing) like a better version of Coco Gauff. A few big hits here and there, but a game based on sticking around and fighting for every point, trying to throw opponents off by forcing extra balls and making them question their confidence.

Also, on a personal note, I'm glad Paolini didn't win. I get that she is very likable and a nice story, but she simply doesn't deserve to be a major champion. Making Schiavone and Pennetta share the spotlight with her would be insulting to them. Heck, having her win a major would be insulting to Giorgi as well, albeit for different reasons.

Well written.. but you even admit that its easier to have data. I think grafs serve and return may be tested a lot more and her late takeback for the forehand may have to change
Of course data is always useful, but we can't always have what we want. That we even have that handful of matches between Graf and the Williams sisters is something of a gift.

So yes, Serena and Venus were still young, but they were both already hitting very hard, and near their full potential. Steffi didn't have takeback issues against them (on some of those really fast hard courts they used to use back at that time), her return held up to Serena (the best server the WTA has seen for 25 years), and her own serve was fine.

I mean, in this thread you had people mentioning Paolini's success despite a very weak serve, and Kerber's weak serve as well. Heck, look at Swiatek's second serve, and Sabalenka's as well. Steffi (and Martina) would have been just fine as what they lack in outright power would be more than compensated for with placement and precision. Martina's serve and volley game wasn't just amazing because of how great she was at net, but also because she would set it up so well with serve placement.

Good for her. I still want townsend to cash in on her investment in super siniakova.
Seriously, are some of these women offering Siniakova a 60/40 prize money split at this point? I don't know if that is even possible, but seeing her carry two unfamiliar partners to Gran Slam wins is mighty impressive. How is she not the #1 in doubles? Also happy for Townsend. I know she is a little bit controversial, and she does get on my nerves at times, but she plays nice tennis and deserved something to show for it.
 
Not many comments on the final in here, but I assume there is another thread (I'm not checking, because I still haven't seen the men's final and I don't want it spoiled for me).

Anyway, nice win for Krejcikova. She deserved it for having a much harder path to the final, and for being the better player in the final. I'm also really happy for her, as she seems like a nice, humble woman, and she plays lovely tennis.

In my opinion she showed that she was pretty far superior to Paolini. Yes, she got tight in the second set and didn't play well, but at a certain point it seemed like everything was going Paolini's way, and that must have been hard for Krejcikova to deal with. Overall, Krejcikova's tennis was smarter, more skilled, and more interesting. If anything, I think Paolini played (and has been playing) like a better version of Coco Gauff. A few big hits here and there, but a game based on sticking around and fighting for every point, trying to throw opponents off by forcing extra balls and making them question their confidence.

Also, on a personal note, I'm glad Paolini didn't win. I get that she is very likable and a nice story, but she simply doesn't deserve to be a major champion. Making Schiavone and Pennetta share the spotlight with her would be insulting to them. Heck, having her win a major would be insulting to Giorgi as well, albeit for different reasons.


Of course data is always useful, but we can't always have what we want. That we even have that handful of matches between Graf and the Williams sisters is something of a gift.

So yes, Serena and Venus were still young, but they were both already hitting very hard, and near their full potential. Steffi didn't have takeback issues against them (on some of those really fast hard courts they used to use back at that time), her return held up to Serena (the best server the WTA has seen for 25 years), and her own serve was fine.

I mean, in this thread you had people mentioning Paolini's success despite a very weak serve, and Kerber's weak serve as well. Heck, look at Swiatek's second serve, and Sabalenka's as well. Steffi (and Martina) would have been just fine as what they lack in outright power would be more than compensated for with placement and precision. Martina's serve and volley game wasn't just amazing because of how great she was at net, but also because she would set it up so well with serve placement.


Seriously, are some of these women offering Siniakova a 60/40 prize money split at this point? I don't know if that is even possible, but seeing her carry two unfamiliar partners to Gran Slam wins is mighty impressive. How is she not the #1 in doubles? Also happy for Townsend. I know she is a little bit controversial, and she does get on my nerves at times, but she plays nice tennis and deserved something to show for it.
Agreed with your first and third sections. I just stick to not comparing eras but also very much enjoying each era for its own merits. Think the all white rule is needing phasing out pronto.
 
I agree that comparing eras can be frustrating. It just keeps coming up because this current era is, um, strange to say the least.

As for the all white rule, it doesn't drive me crazy, but I certainly don't like it. What I really can't stand is the bowing to the "royals" nonsense. I guess I can understand it from some people (like Alcaraz, coming from a country with a monarchy), but no American should ever be bowing to a British "royal."
 
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