2024 WTA Finals - General Discussion

[roysid]

Coco will win now

 

[Mr.Lob]

Tight, really competitive match.
Coco up 6-5. Zheng serving to stay in it.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Players make errors and quality can still be good with errors - but the ratio in this match is just awful. 50/50 winners/unforced errors is a good baseline for good play overall - even slightly less. I've only followed scores so I can't attest to the quality of this match, but the stats are pretty bad. I guess if the unforced errors come after a fairly long point, and UE is from a player out of position and reaching to get the ball - that's less of a poor quality UE than simply missing a rally ball or midcourt sitter.

Both players are striking well in the rallies but can’t hit a winner. No great game play, no dropshot attempt, no angles or change of play, just hitting it back waiting for the other to go for something which they inevitably miss. It’s not great.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Over 100 unforced errors this match between the 2 ladies while the winner count is not even at 40.

Just woeful.

 

[NaomiKonjuhPotapova]

Both has attempted drop shots and failing that is before you watch the match I think.
Court bounce high, need to really perfect in dropper

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Zheng saves 2 championship points! Thanks to some unforced errors by Gauff lol.

Deuce.

 

[tennisjedi]

Final set tiebreak!

 

[Pheasant]

Wow. It's on to the tiebreaker. Game on!

 

[roysid]

2 mp saved. What's going on

 

[bluetrain4]

Of course Coco didn't close up 40-15 after Zheng lost 3 games in a row. This final sort of deserves this one last twist.

 

[D-Lite]

Loopy shots work against Zheng, I remember seeing her combust at RG this year in heavy conditions.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Double mini break for Gauff, that might be the story of this match!

The unforced error count is growing.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

4-0 now for Gauff with Zheng hitting what has to be her 60th unforced error of the match

 

[Mr.Lob]

5-0 Coco in tiebreaker. Still wide open? LOL

 

[roysid]

Gauff now 5-0 in tiebreak

 

[Mr.Lob]

6-0 Coco.

 

[bluetrain4]

5-0 Coco in tiebreaker. Still wide open? LOL

10 point tiebreak - absolutely. I don't think it will happen, but 10-pointers are such a different beast.

 

[D-Lite]

Absolutely clutch from Gauff. 6-0 at the change of ends in the breaker. Zheng pulling the trigger unnecessarily it seems.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Coco Gauff is the 2024 WTA Finals champ.

Defeats Zheng 3-6 6-4 7-6.

Huge payday for the American after a mixed year. Finished the match strong with a good comeback as Zheng capitulated with way too many unforced errors.

 

[joselito66]

Great stuff, Coco

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Huge for Gauff ahead of the 2025 season. Hope she translates it into slam glory once again. Aus Open should be good.

 

[Pheasant]

Zheng got nervous, and understandably so.

Congrats to Coco for a great tourney. She deserved to win. And she fixed her service yips just in time.

 

[GodlessEndeavor]

WTA handshake in the WTA finals. Makes sense I guess?

 

[Mr.Lob]

Congrats to Coco! Really impressed with the improvement in her mental game post Brad Gilbert.

 

[bluetrain4]

10 point tiebreak - absolutely. I don't think it will happen, but 10-pointers are such a different beast.

Whoops - it was a 7 pt tiebreak. I assumed 10 when it started.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Final stats:

Gauff:
21 winners and 50 unforced errors

Zheng:
21 winners and 61 unforced errors

I truly can’t think of a women’s match where I’ve seen over 110 unforced errors and just 42 winners but hey that’s been this tournament.

 

[Winners or Errors]

A nice finish to a turbulent season for the young American phenom. Good win, Coco.

 

[NaomiKonjuhPotapova]

A nice finish to a turbulent season for the young American phenom. Good win, Coco.

finish high is what important!

 

[roysid]

10 point tiebreak - absolutely. I don't think it will happen, but 10-pointers are such a different beast.

Ok. So 10 pointer only in slams

 

[onyxrose81]

So happy for Coco!

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Gauff is the youngest WTA Finals champ since Maria Sharapova beat Serena to win in 2004.

Huge accomplishment.

 

[jmnk]

This match just shows why that so-called 'unforced error' stat in tennis makes no sense. These ladies played a great match, they are both excellent athletes that can get balls back in play, and they just forced each other to go for more and more. Which resulted in errors. But to call them 'unforced' is ridiculous.

 

[Mr.Lob]

3 hours and 4 minutes on that match.
Coco holds the nerves and a bit stronger physically at the end of the match.

 

[joselito66]

WTA handshake in the WTA finals. Makes sense I guess?

It's Zheng. She's a sore loser and not popular among her peers.

 

[marc45]

credit to Coco, she's such a fighter and in the end just too cool and consistent for Zheng...Zheng has got to learn to be better with her decision making under pressure...awful shot selection, and execution

 

[NaomiKonjuhPotapova]

cut throat queen didn't even mention Coco name but said 'Champion'

and then stand with hand on her hips.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

cut throat queen didn't even mention Coco name but said 'Champion'

Zheng is headed towards becoming the next ice queen Sharapova that’s hated on tour.

 

[D-Lite]

Awesome result for Gauff winning Beijing and Riyadh YEC. I think she would likely have won Wuhan had she not thrown in 20+ DFs. Hopefully she can carry this form through to the AO swing.

 

[Aussie Darcy]

Awesome result for Gauff winning Beijing and Riyadh YEC. I think she would likely have won Wuhan had she not thrown in 20+ DFs. Hopefully she can carry this form through to the AO swing.

I’m hoping for a juicy Aus Open with a competitive Coco, Zheng and Sabalenka and hopefully Swiatek and Rybakina too.

But knowing our luck it’ll be chaotic and not in a good way.

 

[D-Lite]

cut throat queen didn't even mention Coco name but said 'Champion'

and then stand with hand on her hips.

At one point I didn't think she was going to mention the champion at all. I think people are reading into these exchanges too much, she congratulated the champion and that's enough, you don't need to say something sentimental if you're not well acquainted with the person. Zheng is certainly somewhat cold and distant but I don't see an issue with that and many many people saw nothing wrong with Sharapova's demeanor.

 

[Mr.Lob]

Zheng is headed towards becoming the next ice queen Sharapova that’s hated on tour.

Sharapova was loved and adored by all.

 

[Dominic & Andrey]

Congrats Coco. That one will be tough to swallow for Qinwen.

 

[joselito66]

Sharapova was loved and adored by all.

I can think of one player who didn't like Sharapova...

 

[joselito66]

I think people are reading into these exchanges too much

Sure. But not with Zheng. She's a certified b.

 

[Moose Malloy]

Final stats:

Gauff:
21 winners and 50 unforced errors

Zheng:
21 winners and 61 unforced errors

I truly can’t think of a women’s match where I’ve seen over 110 unforced errors and just 42 winners but hey that’s been this tournament.

I remember high ue's on the 2001 Capriati Clijsters RG final and turns out I was right - 143 total unforced errors(79 by Capriati, 64 by Clijsters).

Capriati Overcomes Clijsters in a Long Match Marred by Mistakes : Sometimes Victory Takes Time (Published 2001)

Jennifer Capriati has been playing tennis in a hurry for as long as she has been playing tennis. Give her the ball. Let her get to it without any extraneous trips to the towel, rearrangement of the hair or extra bounces before she serves. ."I real

www.nytimes.com

averages to 3.47 ue's per game today, 3.67 in '01

2001 Miami Final, Venus d Capriati also had crazy stats - 124 combined ue's and only 42 winners (71 ue's for Venus, 53 for Capriati. Capriati only had 7 winners, Venus had 35)
4.13 ue's per game.

Venus fights off Capriati - UPI Archives

Venus Williams saved eight match points Saturday to capture her third Ericsson Open title, defeating Jennifer Capriati, 4-6, 6-1, 7-6 (7-4)....

www.upi.com

I'm sure there were more than a few Sharapova or Li Na matches that had over 100 ue's, those 2 could put up some crazy numbers.


also remembered this thread - at 2023 Dubai Gauff d Keys 62, 75. 82 combined ue's with only 14 winners.

51 UE by Keys, 31 UE by Gauff

Holy Moly! What an ugly match!

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

 

[Bambooman]

Zheng serve motion is bothering me more and more.

I had to stop watching.

 

[travlerajm]

It’s sad/annoying the Olympics doesn’t award points because Zheng should be higher than #7 in the rankings. With the title here today she’ll go up to #4 just 190 points behind #3 Coco but she deserves to be the #3 as the Gold medallist.

She is already the World #1 according to UTR.

 

[counterloop]

Well.....that was definitely an exciting finals....regardless of the stats. Zheng was definitely salty at the end, but, I cut her some slack just because of how close the match was and how quickly afterwards she had to address the crowd. She needed a little more time to calm down to digest what just happened.

 

[Im(moral) Winner]

Team Coco

 

[counterloop]

Well.....that was definitely an exciting finals....regardless of the stats. Zheng was definitely salty at the end, but, I cut her some slack just because of how close the match was and how quickly afterwards she had to address the crowd. She needed a little more time to calm down her emotions