2025 French Open - Women's Discussion

Who will be 2025 French Open women's singles champion?

  • Sabalenka

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • Gauff

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • Pegula

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Paolini

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Swiatek

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Andreeva

    Votes: 3 25.0%

  • Keys

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Zheng

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Navarro

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Badosa

    Votes: 1 8.3%
  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
I just don't like it whatever slam it is, this calling out in between serves and cheering double faults and errors, it's classless, crass and disrespectful. I'm not just criticising the crowds here, the British do it at Wimbledon, Aussies do it in Melbourne and the Americans do it in New York.

Here's me thinking that Professional Tennis is a sport where a modicum of respect is usually given, this isn't NHL where people fight on a dime, or Soccer/Football where people make personal insults towards players. If you want your player from your country to win then fine but there's a line between fandom and being disrespectful.

If Andreeva played at a hypothetical Russian slam they would most likely do the same to her opponent but it still doesn't make it right.
 
I think there's a scarily legitimate chance Boisson wins this tournament. She is playing good tennis, but more to the point, I just don't know how the last three are going to handle this crowd. Coco gets the yips ever other tournament, Sabalenka has improved a lot when she faces pressure but she basically conceded Coco the 2023 USO F for the same reason, and Iga borderline breaks down crying after every match the crowd wasn't with her. It is going to be a tall task for all three. All very talented players but none of them are exactly Serena in the mental department.

I'm very split on the topic. On one hand, this is a part of the sport and you need to deal with it. And these hostile environments give rise to great sporting moments (2011 USO SF). But at the same time, it does suck to watch the better player lose in part due to such great influence from the crowd. I get that it's on the player to deal with it, but sue me for wanting to watch the world #6 in a major SF as opposed to the world #361.
 
bw114 said:
I think there's a scarily legitimate chance Boisson wins this tournament. She is playing good tennis, but more to the point, I just don't know how the last three are going to handle this crowd. Coco gets the yips ever other tournament, Sabalenka has improved a lot when she faces pressure but she basically conceded Coco the 2023 USO F for the same reason, and Iga borderline breaks down crying after every match the crowd wasn't with her. It is going to be a tall task for all three. All very talented players but none of them are exactly Serena in the mental department.

I'm very split on the topic. On one hand, this is a part of the sport and you need to deal with it. And these hostile environments give rise to great sporting moments (2011 USO SF). But at the same time, it does suck to watch the better player lose in part due to such great influence from the crowd. I get that it's on the player to deal with it, but sue me for wanting to watch the world #6 in a major SF as opposed to the world #361.
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You did not just watch the better player lose, and you damn well know it.
 
bw114 said:
I get that it's on the player to deal with it, but sue me for wanting to watch the world #6 in a major SF as opposed to the world #361.
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This minimizes the actual effort of Boission. There was a statistic in the first set that she was a full 25% better in forehand quality than Andreeva in the first set. (I'm sure similar continued into the second. This wasn't watching someone push their way to a SF, she was legitimately playing much better tennis than either of the grand slam winners in the previous match.

I mostly agree, I want to watch stars play stars and do so at the highest level. But in absence of that, I will take a hometown Cinderella story over Gauff and Andreeva having 70 errors combined.
 
Mirreeva was actually up 3-0 in the second set.
But then the crowd really started to get under her skin and she lost six games in a row!
 
cha cha said:
You did not just watch the better player lose, and you damn well know it.
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On this current day? Not the better player. My point is that the crowd made Boisson the better player. But there is just no way the world #361—someone who had three wins at the tour-level before this tournament—is suddenly a "better player," en masse, than anyone in the top ten. It's not how the sport works.

Grizzy said:
This minimizes the actual effort of Boission. There was a statistic in the first set that she was a full 25% better in forehand quality than Andreeva in the first set. (I'm sure similar continued into the second. This wasn't watching someone push their way to a SF, she was legitimately playing much better tennis than either of the grand slam winners in the previous match.

I mostly agree, I want to watch stars play stars and do so at the highest level. But in absence of that, I will take a hometown Cinderella story over Gauff and Andreeva having 70 errors combined.
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Ditto what I said above. She's playing well; I'm not saying I dislike watching it. But I do think it is bastardized by the fact that the crowd is dropping her opponent's level to the nth degree.
 
bw114 said:
On this current day? Not the better player. My point is that the crowd made Boisson the better player. But there is just no way the world #361—someone who had three wins at the tour-level before this tournament—is suddenly a "better player," en masse, than anyone in the top ten. It's not how the sport works.
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The sport doesn't work by the crowd just making a #361 level player beat top 10 players either or we would see it WAY more often than we do given that poorly ranked home players show up all the time in tournaments.

Boisson deserves full credit for her run.
 
Mark-Touch said:
Mirreeva was actually up 3-0 in the second set.
But then the crowd really started to get under her skin and she lost six games in a row!
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That breaks to go back on serve is great work by Boisson. I like both and I think Mirra forgot her drop shot was working on the first set, Boisson winning key points, and the crowd.
 
The French crowd can be very rowdy but...I don't think it was that bad during Boisson vs Andreeva today to be frank? Mirra's meltdown is more telling about herself and her age than about the crowd being incredibly hostile in my opinion. The atmosphere would have to be way more obnoxious for Coco to crumble the way Mirra did today.
 
It's certainly a hostile atmosphere whenever someone plays a homegrown player in France. Just makes you realise how impressive Raducanu's two wins were in the BJK cup qualifier in Paris.... (sorry, couldn't resist).

I didn't see today's match but I doubt the French Open crowds are doing Boisson a favour in the long run. The locker room has a long memory. There will be players queueing up to put her back in her place across the grass and hard court seasons. Looking at Boisson's past, it's very clay dominated.

I'm going to give Coco Gauff the benefit of the doubt and predict she'll win the semi in two long-ish sets. She has more experience and street smarts than Andreeva . She'll be prepared for the crowd and she'll be happy to play the long game if needs be.
 
It was a bizarre match indeed.
Mirreeva was leading comfortably in both the first and second sets.

She lost due to a combination of two simple factors.

The first was the playing surface (clay).
The second was the hostile crowd.

When the crowd started getting to her in the first set she became nervous and began to hit the ball with less power and precision.
On clay, this allows your opponent to stay in the point when on other surfaces the balls would have been put away.

For a couple of years now I've been highlighting one of her main weaknesses;
her inability to contain her emotions.
Her outbursts not only are unpleasant to see but they reflect what is going on in her head.

Recall the moments when she punched her leg repeatedly with force and smashed a ball into the crowd trying to seek revenge with them after missing sitters at the net.

Yes she still is quite immature.
 
Lois Boisson to Harriet Dart ... "smells like victory!" When the WTA gets set on fire by a wonderful new player ...
 
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jm1972 said:
Go look at betting odds and tell me if you still think it was bizarre.
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Well I saw one betting odds before the match and it was something like 1:5.
The fact that Poisson won with those odds is bizarre.
But that wasn't what I meant by the match being bizarre.
Many other reasons.
 
Mark-Touch said:
It was a bizarre match indeed.
Mirreeva was leading comfortably in both the first and second sets.

She lost due to a combination of two simple factors.

The first was the playing surface (clay).
The second was the hostile crowd.

When the crowd started getting to her in the first set she became nervous and began to hit the ball with less power and precision.
On clay, this allows your opponent to stay in the point when on other surfaces the balls would have been put away.

For a couple of years now I've been highlighting one of her main weaknesses;
her inability to contain her emotions.
Her outbursts not only are unpleasant to see but they reflect what is going on in her head.

Recall the moments when she punched her leg repeatedly with force and smashed a ball into the crowd trying to seek revenge with them after missing sitters at the net.

Yes she still is quite immature.
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She is young... Hopefully her coach will her overcome her emotional issues playing
 
I used to appreciate it when Federer used to serve without waiting for the crowd to calm down. Today when the crowd realised they were able to rattle her, they started shouting stuff during her ball toss and made her lose her composure and many points on her serve and causing her to double fault countless times. The umpire was complicit with her halfhearted calls for calm that didn’t sound neither forceful nor sincere. The writing was on the wall. I suspect the French organisers wanted a French player to reach the semis and possibly the final to create a fairytale story for the French people. Let’s see what Gauff can do about that. Will she take matters into her own hands or let herself be slaughtered by the crowd and possibly another French umpire.
 
yeah mirra lack of maturity showed up and she imploded. The fact that she kept yelling back at conchita martinez is not good. Conchita is probably the only person in the whole arena that was on her side trying to help. Yes the crowd was rowdy but there have been much worse like during Davis Cup or in other sports like basketball. Mirra is still a teenager who still cares too much what other people think about her.
It's also funny how the majority of wta players still don't know how to play against someone with a heavy topspin forehand. Iga wins a lot of matches because of this. kinda reminds me of how jen brady gave a lot girls trouble with her fh when she was healthy.
 
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bw114 said:
But at the same time, it does suck to watch the better player lose in part due to such great influence from the crowd. I get that it's on the player to deal with it, but sue me for wanting to watch the world #6 in a major SF as opposed to the world #361.
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Agreed apart from that. Mirra behaved largely maturely for her age despite getting tight. She never faced something like that before, against a sometimes red-lining home player.
 
By the way, it wasn't the world no. 361 beating Andreeva today. It was the world no. 65.
That should make you "I want to see stars playing stars in grand slam semifinals" folk sleep better.
 
cha cha said:
By the way, it wasn't the world no. 361 beating Andreeva today. It was the world no. 65.
That should make you "I want to see stars playing stars in grand slam semifinals" folk sleep better.
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Me when I don’t understand how rankings vs live rankings work
 
bw114 said:
Me when I don’t understand how rankings vs live rankings work
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You understand me quite well, darling.

I'm not really all that invested in girly girls playing tennis.
But I had the unfortunate privilege of watching both of the quarters today.
So you will pardon me when seeing you turd over the only girl who played something watchable today makes me a pout a little.
 
I wasn't here when Raducanu won her US open, playing excellent tennis. Was the sentiment towards her equally warm in here?
 
Well I've already gotten over the loss and hopefully Mirreeva will be able to recover just as quickly.
But...
Martinez is going to have to sit her down and have a good face-to-face talk about controlling her
emotions and behavior.

If it had/has to occur at some point in her career better now than midway.
 
Apparently Boisson will have to play Wimbledon qualifiers. They did the allocations on June 3. I guess she could get a late main draw wildcard (?), but most of those tend to go British no hopers and former elites returning from maternity leave. And Venus.
 
Well Mirreeva might be down but she's still not out (of the French Open that is).
She still is in great shape in the Women's Doubles.

But her semi-final match with Shnaider against Errani and Paolini will be
a tough challenge.
 
chicagodude said:
And why not ? Is it that hard for you to imagine that there some people (not many) who are actually willing to put that kinda work into their fitness?
Plus some relatively good genes, likely

To be clear: could she be juicing? Of course, who knows. Is she definitely juicing? No, while impressive, her physique is not so extraordinary that it’s ‘proof’ by any means. Then again, people claiming that it’s ‘definite’ probably claim the same about players like Sakkari, or Nadal
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Nadal's dad's hairline looks miles better than his and Nadal is only 39 ... lol

Boisson built like a bison. Shoulder's wider than Sinner's lol
 
ScottleeSV said:
Apparently Boisson will have to play Wimbledon qualifiers. They did the allocations on June 3. I guess she could get a late main draw wildcard (?), but most of those tend to go British no hopers and former elites returning from maternity leave. And Venus.
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Yeah, the cutoffs for Slams are like five-six weeks give or take before the tournament. It will be her last time having to qualify for at least a year. I'd give her one based on her French Open performance, but they're probably all allotted at this point. And as far as trades go, Wimbledon probably already has one allotted for a different French player. Who knows, maybe they reserve a wildcard for the relative LAst minute.

"And Venus" - HA!
 
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Boisson hunts forehands like a young Nadal...she moonwalks for them...fun to watch...had no idea who she was before this tournament, what a revelation
 
ScottleeSV said:
Apparently Boisson will have to play Wimbledon qualifiers. They did the allocations on June 3. I guess she could get a late main draw wildcard (?), but most of those tend to go British no hopers and former elites returning from maternity leave. And Venus.
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Same thing happened for Raducanu. Made that 4R run at Wimbledon but missed the cutoff date for main draw for USO so had to play qualifying. We all remember how that went.
 
NaomiKonjuhPotapova said:
The Aussie crowd booing Sabalenka scream vs Barty, quite deservingly with those grunts but no, not better.
Also ever watch US Open F̶e̶d̶e̶r̶e̶r̶ v̶ D̶j̶o̶k̶o̶v̶i̶c̶ Serena vs Osaka?
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Grizzy said:
I watched the whole match without the sound on at work, and I'm so curious to hear how bad it sounds in the highlights (if it ends up showing it). Ya'll are making it as if this crowd was the greatest travesty in modern tennis. I feel like when I watch it, it's not going to be any different than the 2am Aussie open crowds with Kyrigos I've seen before, but I'm ready to be baffled.

Personally, I don't think you need to remain silent on a double fault. If a team in soccer or hockey has an own-goal, the fans cheer the same way as any other. A goal is a goal. If a team scores a touchdown off an interception, the crowd cheers even louder than if they score off their own QBs throw. I get that it's not polite. But maybe don't double fault then too?

I like home court advantage and I think exciting crowds make tournaments much more interesting. Hell, all week sports pundits have been harping on the lack of fans at women's matches in the day sessions, and now the crowd actually has an impact and people are complaining about that too lol?

I don't think anyone would have complained if Draper had lost to Monfils and the crowd had an impact. But that also has to do with the fact we're babying Andreeva since she's 18 and a woman. She's also a pro athlete with millions in the bank that's won a M1000 tournament this year.

Fully prepared to eat my words once I can hear the sound though haha.

[EDIT] Also regarding the semi finals. I am interested to see how much this impacts Gauff. She's also a head case and can you imagine if she starts double faulting like she has at the US Open and other tournaments with this French crowd?
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diggler said:
I watched the entire match. The crowd wasn't that bad. The umpire did ask for silence many times but if the crowd ignores her, what can she do?
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Zardoz7/12 said:
I just don't like it whatever slam it is, this calling out in between serves and cheering double faults and errors, it's classless, crass and disrespectful. I'm not just criticising the crowds here, the British do it at Wimbledon, Aussies do it in Melbourne and the Americans do it in New York.

Here's me thinking that Professional Tennis is a sport where a modicum of respect is usually given, this isn't NHL where people fight on a dime, or Soccer/Football where people make personal insults towards players. If you want your player from your country to win then fine but there's a line between fandom and being disrespectful.

If Andreeva played at a hypothetical Russian slam they would most likely do the same to her opponent but it still doesn't make it right.
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Dominic & Andrey said:
The French crowd can be very rowdy but...I don't think it was that bad during Boisson vs Andreeva today to be frank? Mirra's meltdown is more telling about herself and her age than about the crowd being incredibly hostile in my opinion. The atmosphere would have to be way more obnoxious for Coco to crumble the way Mirra did today.
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I'm not saying it's the worst crowd in the history of sport (although it is one of the worst i've seen in recent years), my problem is the below. Watch the video, watch how the chair umpire did nothing. It happened all of the first set and i'm sure it got worse in set 2.

flyingboris said:
OK here's an example of (imo) bad umpiring from the first set tiebreak. Someone in the crowd yells out during Mirra's second serve prep, and the umpire doesn't do the obligatory "Mesdames et monsieurs.." Then again, Mirra should have let the ball bounce and try again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/1l35ojp/andreeva_complains_to_umpire_about_the_french
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This was the issue of the match and why I stopped after the first set. The umpiring was woeful.

The chair umpire did nothing. Just kept saying shhh, there was no formal announcement saying ladies and gentlemen, please show respect for these players and remain quiet in between points and serves. I've seen Mohammed do it, i've seen countless chair umpires explicitly speak to the crowd multiple times. Not just "Merci".

No, instead she allowed them boo as Mirra was hitting serves and hitting balls. It's not on and it was disgusting.

As to your question @NaomiKonjuhPotapova about Sabalenka v Barty 8 years ago. Ash Barty did the right thing and wagged her finger and frowned on the big screen at the crowd to stop the mimicking. Boisson did nothing. Hell, even Serena told off the crowd during the Osaka debacle.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
I'm not saying it's the worst crowd in the history of sport (although it is one of the worst i've seen in recent years), my problem is the below. Watch the video, watch how the chair umpire did nothing. It happened all of the first set and i'm sure it got worse in set 2.


This was the issue of the match and why I stopped after the first set. The umpiring was woeful.

The chair umpire did nothing. Just kept saying shhh, there was no formal announcement saying ladies and gentlemen, please show respect for these players and remain quiet in between points and serves. I've seen Mohammed do it, i've seen countless chair umpires explicitly speak to the crowd multiple times. Not just "Merci".

No, instead she allowed them boo as Mirra was hitting serves and hitting balls. It's not on and it was disgusting.

As to your question @NaomiKonjuhPotapova about Sabalenka v Barty 8 years ago. Ash Barty did the right thing and wagged her finger and frowned on the big screen at the crowd to stop the mimicking. Boisson did nothing. Hell, even Serena told off the crowd during the Osaka debacle.
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I saw Boisson even inciting the crowd several times. I thought that due to the particular circumstances, she would say something to the crowd like the classy Barty did, but actually it was the opposite.
 
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