2025 Wimbledon Final: Carlos Alcaraz v Jannik Sinner

Who wins?

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tudwell said:
Well, fair enough. Carlos is plenty good at bouncing back. I probably didn’t word that quite right. Because I do think there’s a certain relentlessness to Sinner’s approach to the game, to training, etc. that Alcaraz probably doesn’t quite match. I’m not saying he’s not an incredibly hard worker, because obviously he is, but Sinner is just so cool and machine-like, ruthlessly targeting the weaknesses in his game and working to improve them, even in the midst of obstacles what would derail many other players.
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I predict he wins FO next year, Sinner that is. He's improving more than Alcaraz and has more room for improvement on serve.
 
Well done to Sinner. He seems to be continously improving and takes the lessons learned well. The ball now is in Alcaraz corner to pick up the slack and make moves.
Also very greatfull for these guys to show that ND is now finally and firmly in the rearview mirror.
 
dking68 said:
I predict he wins FO next year, Sinner that is. He's improving more than Alcaraz and has more room for improvement on serve.
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He really could. I mean it’s a long way away still, but considering how good he looked this year – and I assume he’ll only get even better by the time clay season rolls around in 2026 – it’ll take another huge performance to stop him.
 
tudwell said:
He really could. I mean it’s a long way away still, but considering how good he looked this year – and I assume he’ll only get even better by the time clay season rolls around in 2026 – it’ll take another huge performance to stop him.
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If he keeps making improvements on serve, I can't see anything stopping him. His ceiling is higher than Alcaraz's, but Alcaraz is more talented and a better physical specimen.
 
BorgTheGOAT said:
He was even closer to losing in the quarters against a geriatric and not being in contention for anything.
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Not to spoil anyone's silly fun, but this statement is objectively incorrect. First, the Sinner-Dimitrov match was in the round of 16, not the QF. Second, the score was 2-2 in the third set when Dimi retired. A potential conclusion to the match was therefore at least four games away, not a mere one point away.
 
tudwell said:
Well, fair enough. Carlos is plenty good at bouncing back. I probably didn’t word that quite right. Because I do think there’s a certain relentlessness to Sinner’s approach to the game, to training, etc. that Alcaraz probably doesn’t quite match. I’m not saying he’s not an incredibly hard worker, because obviously he is, but Sinner is just so cool and machine-like, ruthlessly targeting the weaknesses in his game and working to improve them, even in the midst of obstacles what would derail many other players.
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Two years in a row Carl has had summer heartbreaks and he’s bounced back in spring time
 
Sinner was 30/40 at the net today, which is a fairly big number of approaches and a high success rate. I've noticed that he started to embrace the forecourt game again during this tournament which has paid of well.

Watching the Alcaraz - Sinner match at the 2022 USO, my biggest impression was that the two young players don't hesitate to go forward and it was quite refreshing in the era of baseliners (Sinner was willing to play at the net more than Carlos in that match), but later I felt that he's regressed in that department and was more of your typical baseliner.

I'm glad he's started to change that, it is and has always been an asset on grass.
 
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Jannik Sinner is the 2025 men's Wimbledon champion, fully asserting his superiority over the most overrated "would-be GOAT" / "He am like Sampras" (yeah, sure) tennis player of this century.

As predicted, Sinner winning is such a refreshing change / opening the door to good--not great, just good possibilities for the long-suffering men's tour.

So, Alcaraz--the man who innumerable Alcaraz fanboys disguised as Talk Tennis Warehouse members swore would be a guarantee to win the title--now have to eat their ridiculously arrogant predictions, as in the case of the 2024 Olympics and the 2025 Australian Open. He is most certainly no GOAT in the making, and his expressions of worry / fear today tell a larger story than his fanboys will ever admit.

Congratulations to Sinner for turning the tables in a spectacular tennis clinic he conducted with one, poor student named Alcaraz.
 
paolo2143 said:
Or bit like Novak at the Australian open between 11 to 16, or 19 to 23 and had to deal with an era including Roger, Rafa, Andy and Stan.
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Multiple people including Nadal, Murray, Wawrinka etc beat Djokovic at hard court majors in that period. From 2004-2007 Federer lost one hard court major in a 5 set thriller to a red hot Safin. There’s nobody even close to Sinner right now from the baseline. I think we’re going to be looking at a Federer like AO 2007 where he possibly wins the US Open without dropping a set.
 
tudwell said:
Sinner’s drive is insane. No obstacle fazes him. Announcement of his failed doping test? Wins the US Open. Suspended for three months? Dominates clay like he never has before, only losing to in-form Carlos. Heartbreaking defeat in a slam final after holding championship point? Wins the very next one in dominant fashion. (Well, other than that one match where he slipped and hurt his elbow…)

He just gets back to work and keeps improving and keeps believing he can and will do better. Incredible. Carlos needs a little more of that if he wants to catch up.
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Do you think Sinner will surpass him in slam count next year?
 
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dking68 said:
Do you think Sinner will surpass him in slam count next year?
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I would guess he wins the next two hard court majors to take the lead in their slam race, so yeah I guess lol. Think Sinner will be in the lead for the next 2-3 years. After that, who knows. Carlos has time to improve on hard and undoubtedly someone else will show up at some point and wrestle the reins away from them.
 
tudwell said:
I would guess he wins the next two hard court majors to take the lead in their slam race, so yeah I guess lol. Think Sinner will be in the lead for the next 2-3 years. After that, who knows. Carlos has time to improve on hard and undoubtedly someone else will show up at some point and wrestle the reins away from them.
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Sinner is less talented than Carlos but more driven to improve, but still a higher ceiling than Carlos, his serve still has room for improvement.
 
Martin J said:
Sinner was 30/40 at the net today, which is a fairly big number of approaches and a high success rate. I've noticed that he started to embrace the forecourt game again during this tournament which has paid of well.

Watching the Alcaraz - Sinner match at the 2022 USO, my biggest impression was that the two young players don't hesitate to go forward and it was quite refreshing in the era of baseliners (Sinner was willing to play at the net more than Carlos in that match), but later I felt that he's regressed in that department and was more of your typical baseliner.

I'm glad he's started to change that, it is and has always been an asset on grass.
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There were some doozy of exchanges in that 2022 QF match, which Alcaraz seemed to get the best of, although Sinner won both tie-breaks. I think Sinner won his fair share today, which went a long way for him. I would not have guessed he would have an edge at the net.....kudos to him.
 
The major turnaround today was Sinner's starting to come much more aggressively to the net after 1st set, to which Alcaraz & team didn't respond. Lack of intelligence on the day.

AI:
Jannik Sinner won 30 net points, while Carlos Alcaraz won 17 net points in the match.

I was shocked to see this development.
 
Nah man, not quite the anticipated contest today. Jannik on form and honed, Carlitos not - the better player on the day won. Superb stuff from Jannik to take his first non-HC title. Whilst it comes as no surprise that he should do so, doing it after the FO loss is most impressive. @Rovesciarete, congratulations to your boy and to you / his fans.
As a Carlitos fan, I'm disappointed for him that he couldn't win, but anticipate that he'll take this loss as part of his learning curve, and hope he'll be able to learn what he needs to from it. What a great clay / grass season he's had.

ibbi said:
Carlos needs a little bit of what? Ability to bounce back? Bounced back from 3 straight five-setters to win his first slam. Bounced back from crampgate to win Wimbledon. Bounced back from numerous terrible performances in every major he contested to win his first five slam finals. Bounced back from getting booted out of Queens last year when he was defending his title to come back and win his second Wimbledon. Has a 14-1 record in five set matches. Sounds like he has pretty good bouncebackability.

You can't criticize a guy because he's clutch as hell and wins so much he doesn't have much occasion to bounce back. :D
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Agree your take, man. Carlitos has shown his capacity to learn and move on - the mark of a champion. Looking forward to his further endeavours.
 
Final thoughts:
1. We will see if this rivalry becomes another Fedal. Personally, I don’t see a real Fedal yet.

2. Italian tennis has been on the rise since 2010.

3. Federer, Nadal and Murray are retired. Djokovic and Wawrinka are far from their levels of yesteryear. Yet, men’s tennis continues to be fully dominated by European players.
 
Thoughts after catching the replay.

Quality from Sinner, very neat, very tidy. Some great punches and also counters when Alcaraz brings his own attacks.

Alcaraz looks a bit muted and worn out. I thought he would fire up for the final but it turns out he is forcing it a bit and doesn’t have the level in him today to hang with a Sinner who’s playing very well. He needed his serve to be at the A level and today it’s not.

This is a match that simmers rather than boils, with one guy playing better across the board, and the other trying his best but not able to summon the necessaries.

Decent watch — as a spectacle it’s mid compared to what this rivalry can deliver.

A comprehensive win for Sinner. Could’ve been straight sets.

A win of this kind has been coming for a while. Many of Sinner’s losses to Alcaraz have been very close with him actually dominating for long stretches, and today he showed that he can routine this guy just like anyone else, if Alcaraz is not hitting that insane top gear.
 
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Congrats to Sinner for outclutching a stone-cold assassin named Carlitos. He looked like he was going to be broke when serving at 15-40, only to hit 2 stellar serves, including a 2nd serve at 110 out wide. Unreal. Sinner showed the world that he has balls.

Sinner has gained ground on Carlitos. He had triple match point at RG, but now, he wins Wimbledon fairly comprehensively. Sinner just made this rivalry much more interesting with this win. Hopefully, Carlitos can step up his hard court game to meet Sinner in some slam finals.

Tennis is in a great spot. I can’t wait to see these guys play each other more often.

Side note: Sinneraz have now won 7 consecutive slam titles. Djokodal won 9 straight. Fedal won 11 straight. The best Samprassi could do was 4 straight.
 
zagor said:
Yeah, I'm gonna come off maybe as a bit of an Alcaraz hater with this but IMO he has been winning waay too much on the big stage considering how wildly inconsistent his level is.

A guy who barely beat 40 year old Fognini in his last match having 3 Wimbledons already would have just felt off to me.

I don't know if he had a single dominant slam run.
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If Djokovic didn't choke the set point away at the second set tiebreaker in 2023, Alcaraz would only have one Wimbledon.
 
Pheasant said:
Congrats to Sinner for outclutching a stone-cold assassin named Carlitos. He looked like he was going to be broke when serving at 15-40, only to hit 2 stellar serves, including a 2nd serve at 110 out wide. Unreal. Sinner showed the world that he has balls.

Sinner has gained ground on Carlitos. He had triple match point at RG, but now, he wins Wimbledon fairly comprehensively. Sinner just made this rivalry much more interesting with this win. Hopefully, Carlitos can step up his hard court game to meet Sinner in some slam finals.

Tennis is in a great spot. I can’t wait to see these guys play each other more often.

Side note: Sinneraz have now won 7 consecutive slam titles. Djokodal won 9 straight. Fedal won 11 straight. The best Samprassi could do was 4 straight.
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Think Borlas had five and nine out of 10 as well.
 
Nostradamus said:
Sinner must be stopped, this boring man can't allowed to dominate like this
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This guy's drive is like no other......doping scandal, heartbreaking loss at FO, - he's not phased. Mentally Jannik is light years ahead of everyone. Could've easily routined Carlitos today. He is better than Alcaraz in every facet of the game except maybe net play - and the weird drop shots, which backfired on Charlie today. I would be surprised if Sinner does NOT win at least 10-12 of the next 16 majors, barring injury of course.
 
Oh lord.
So Sinner wins despite:
A. The fact he should have been serving an actual punishment of a ban for being found out as a doper. Not the pretend ban he got but one that saw him miss Majors.
B. The fact he lost to Dimitrov. Not that tennis will ever be saved when depending on our beloved balding playboy.

The match was sub par. On the bbc, balding, castle and Henman built it up to be like we were about to witness the most amazing Hollywood movie ever made. What we got was a pretty standard final. Not bad but quite forgettable.

I am abandoning ship Alcaraz. I was all in if he won the match and made the natural surfaces his own. His performance in the final was clueless. It was like watching a toddler let free in a ball pit who just picked balls up randomly and threw them around. Dumb drop shots and zero margin for error. The inspiration he needed seemed to be mysteriously absent playing a very focused and capable opponent.

As for Sinner, gross.
 
JMR said:
Not to spoil anyone's silly fun, but this statement is objectively incorrect. First, the Sinner-Dimitrov match was in the round of 16, not the QF. Second, the score was 2-2 in the third set when Dimi retired. A potential conclusion to the match was therefore at least four games away, not a mere one point away.
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It is also a very bold assumption that if Sinner converts the matchpoints in RG, that everything will happen exactly the same and he will go on to win Wimbledon. So whether he was closer to losing in the R16 or heading into a potential CYGS at the USO is very much unclear. But yeah you are right my wording was a little sloppy and it was the R16, corrected it.
 
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