2025 WTF final - Alcaraz vs Sinner

Alcaraz vs Sinner

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A fitting way to end the season - you have the top 2 players in the final of the WTF. 2 Slams each. 4-0 in this tournament each before the final.

H2h:
Overall - 10-5 Alcaraz
Last 2 years - 7-1 Alcaraz
HC overall - 7-2 Alcaraz
HC last 2 years - 4-0 Alcaraz
H2h indoors - 1-0 Alcaraz

Bookies say that Sinner is the firm favorite (around 60-40 for Sinner). They also put Sinner as the favorite in all of their matches this year.

Who you got?
 
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It’s quite a challenge for the match to be played in Italy, and Alcaraz playing the night match so lesser recovery. I think Sinner is motivated by losing the YE #1 and has the better serve right now. Unfortunately, we all know who has the superior coach.

Jannik Sinner in 3, hopefully a classic.
 
Jannik can’t afford to lose this. HC is his best surface.

If Carlos can maintain focus, he wins. If he goes lalaland mid-match, Jannik will win.

Go Carlitos…I wanna see that fh firing in all cylinders tomorrow :giggle:
 
Kralingen said:
It’s quite a challenge for the match to be played in Italy, and Alcaraz playing the night match so lesser recovery. I think Sinner is motivated by losing the YE #1 and has the better serve right now. Unfortunately, we all know who has the superior coach.

Jannik Sinner in 3, hopefully a classic.
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Love your reverse jinx. IF JANNIK SINNER loses this match. God help him for the AO title defense.
 
Man, if Sinner is to lose this, as a Sinner fan this would be a HUGE blow to his confidence. You already lost in front of your home crowd in Rome, and I give you the pardon for that since you were unable to practice for 3 months. But to lose this, and on such a hot winning streak, it is gonna burn into his subconscious for a LONGGGG TIME under your most favorable conditions.
 
2.4 odds on Alcaraz.

I swear to God the bookies are factoring in Sinner's field domination. It's so meaningless against Alcaraz. And they are making the same mistake again. The odds should be 1.9-1.9 just because it's indoors and in Italy.

If Alcaraz wins this is the last time they will put Sinner as the favorite unless he actually starts winning matches against Alcaraz and not based on how how good he looks on paper.

Anyway, Alcaraz loves these pressure matches against Sinner and the pressure will be on the Italian. He's kind of expected to win I feel. I think Alcaraz wins tomorrow because of that.
 
The pressure is on sinner here! This is his home tournament and on his best surface being indoor HC. The surface and conditions should favour him more. He needs a big win against Carlos because losing this doesn’t bode well for his believe at beating alcaraz in big matches. He needs to to try stop the rot or will put more pressure on if they meet in Australia too.

I’m not sure who wins but feel it could go 3 sets.
 
dking68 said:
Man, if Sinner is to lose this, as a Sinner fan this would be a HUGE blow to his confidence. You already lost in front of your home crowd in Rome, and I give you the pardon for that since you were unable to practice for 3 months. But to lose this, and on such a hot winning streak, it is gonna burn into his subconscious for a LONGGGG TIME under your most favorable conditions.
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I agree. 100% the pressure is on sinner here due to last few meetings and now on his favourite conditions and home event.
 
Kralingen said:
Those are “bet on Carlos” odds from the bookies
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Sinner is still the favourite given his Indoor HC resume and it’s a home crowd. However, Alcaraz’s performance in the semi means it’s not the given some seemed to think it would be. Let’s see if Carlos can bring a similar level to the court tomorrow as he did today.
 
Hmm, my gut feeling tells me Sinner takes this but the way this rivalry has gone these past 18 months who the hell knows. Alcaraz seeing Sinner on the other side of the net seems to be the equivalent of waving a red flag in front of a bull so I honestly can't say I'd be overly shocked if he wins. Could be a great contest!
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Hmm, my gut feeling tells me Sinner takes this but the way this rivalry has gone these past 18 months who the hell knows. Alcaraz seeing Sinner on the other side of the net seems to be the equivalent of waving a red flag in front of a bull so I honestly can't say I'd be overly shocked if he wins. Could be a great contest!
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Which means he is surely losing. Not as if he was going to win anyway, he is an unreal choker in this rivalry.
 
It really is the final we all deserve. A lot of people say Alcaraz isn't that great indoors, and while it may be his weakest surface/setup, I still wouldn't put it past him to win any given indoor tournament.
 
Kralingen said:
It’s quite a challenge for the match to be played in Italy, and Alcaraz playing the night match so lesser recovery. I think Sinner is motivated by losing the YE #1 and has the better serve right now. Unfortunately, we all know who has the superior coach.

Jannik Sinner in 3, hopefully a classic.
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They have to do a better job scheduling on the Saturday, not to have the late match and expect a player to turn around.

With that said, the Italian has been playing better overall and is on an incredible streak basically not being broken for six matches, or whatever it is, not even being challenged, the highest dominant ratio in the history of the sport probably, the craziest betting lines I've ever seen in tennis, BUT

I don't think it's a good thing for him that he has been completely unchallenged and to be sure he has been completely unchallenged because of how good he is, but I never like it when a player is on streaks like this where he's not even broken, especially against a player who raises his game against him. Honestly, I think the Italian will win but Carlos Alcaraz at +125+136 or whatever it is seems too good to pass up.
 
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4UTRMoutet said:
Even though I'm a little impartial to Carlos, I'm hoping for Sinner to keep his own little fortress during the indoor season, so that I don't get bored if Carlos starts snowballing the rest of the year.
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It would be a big blow to Sinner. Sinner already lost 4 finals to him this year, and 1 of them, he should have won. I’m backing my boy in two sets. He needs to show up tomorrow, otherwise the unbeaten win streak means nothing if he keeps crashing to his biggest rival.
 
4UTRMoutet said:
If Carlos beats Sinner here, on his worst surface and Sinner on his best, defeats the defending champion in his home country who has yet to drop serve, then undoubtedly I will have no hope for Sinner as Carlos' rival in the future.
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I wouldn't be so dramatic about it. If Carlos wins here, it's big for him no doubt, but I don't think Sinner would have "no hope" moving forward.
 
Carlos Alcaraz just more reactive and explosive in this tournement, jannik played a lot and cant handle Alcaraz power after rested player like him
 
Incognito said:
Jannik can’t afford to lose this. HC is his best surface.

If Carlos can maintain focus, he wins. If he goes lalaland mid-match, Jannik will win.

Go Carlitos…I wanna see that fh firing in all cylinders tomorrow :giggle:
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Yep, Sinner has a lot more to lose than Alcaraz here. Alcaraz getting the better of him in 7 of 8 and thus locking up YE#1 and this being Sinner's strongest surface with it being Alcaraz's weakest. If Alcaraz beats him here that's a tough pill to swallow for Sinner and his fans and if Sinner wins, it was expected. Hopefully it's a classic for all of us to enjoy.
 
Having watched alcaraz match again, the guy seems to be peaking again. He was hitting missiles, moving great and mixing it up. The problem sinner has got is if alcarax is in that peak form I just think he a bit better than sinner. This is sinner’s best conditions but if alcaraz plays at his peak or close to it he might still get better of him.

I think sinner can win but if alcaraz got a feeling alcaraz might edge this in 3. I just feel his best level is higher. If alcaraz isn’t at his best and both play their B game then sinner wins. It will be close.
 
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