2025 WTF final - Alcaraz vs Sinner

Alcaraz vs Sinner


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From now until the end of the decade, Sinner will be the favorite to win the ATP Finals.
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I would say probably the favorite in the next 2-3 years. Carlos will pounce if Jannik is sick or injured like in the North America swing this year. Plus he will catch him in indoors eventually, probably in their late 20s.
 
A wonderful evening of tennis. Both of them did the best they could, and I am not surprised that Sinner prevailed this time. He has been the best player in these conditions and he proved it today more than ever before. Congratulations to him.

Generally looking at how clinical Sinner has been for the last two seasons, Carlos beating him several times and finishing the year as world number 1 is an incredible achievement. He is only 22 years old but if this is his best ever season, I won't mind. Especially if Spain triumphs in Bologna...
DC will be tough for Spain, I think. They have Alcaraz, but Munar and Carreño will probably lose some matches. They have Granollers but no established doubles team in the squad like Germany and Italy. Carlos will have to win all his singles matches, but that alone will not be enough. His teammates will need to step up.

(If he even plays, given the hamstring.)
 
Funny anyone would even think Raz could win
Faster indoor ping pong conditions favor Jans
straight forward clinical tennis.
Raz mentally is still not consistent enough but
could find another gear at the AO or enjoy the
slower conditions there.
 
H2H means something only if u watched the actual match and avoiding Rome and Cincy for obviously reasons all of the match Alcaraz won where extremely close and a coin flip. The margins beetwen them when the play eachother are so thin. @tennis_pro try being objective and fair instead of writing like a twitter troll
 
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I would say probably the favorite in the next 2-3 years. Carlos will pounce if Jannik is sick or injured like in the North America swing this year. Plus he will catch him in indoors eventually, probably in their late 20s.
“Will” is a strong word. His game is not suited indoors. You have players like Mensik and Draper who could probably have a greater affinity for the surface
 
“Will” is a strong word. His game is not suited indoors. You have players like Mensik and Draper who could probably have a greater affinity for the surface
Carlos will win a couple of WTF , maybe a 2-3 in his late 20s. He is too god and the players from 3 to 20th in the world suck except Novak who is probably ending his career at the end of 2026.
 
Carlos will win a couple of WTF , maybe a 2-3 in his late 20s. He is too god and the players from 3 to 20th in the world suck except Novak who is probably ending his career at the end of 2026.
That’s what you think. Sinner will always be the favorite infront of Turin. And a developed Mensik will pose a serious problem
 
H2H means something only if u watched the actual match and avoiding Rome and Cincy for obviously reasons all of the match Alcaraz won where extremely close and a coin flip. The margins beetwen them when the play eachother are so thin. @tennis_pro try being objective and fair instead of writing like a twitter troll
Injured, tired, first match after comeback, bad luck (FO), too much pressure/opponent in the zone (USO) etc. etc. etc. There's so many excuses you can use before it starts to get funny. Not 7 losses across different venues. This isn't Fed-Nadal with 75% of the matches being on clay. It was 4-0 on HC alone before yesterday. There's no excuse for that. It's still like 7-3 on HC for Alcaraz overall and 2-0 in HC Slams. Let Sinner win 2 or 3 more matches and make the h2h look respectable before giving him credit for no reason other than his extraordinary consistency in beating mediocre players at best.
 
Injured, tired, first match after comeback, bad luck (FO), too much pressure/opponent in the zone (USO) etc. etc. etc. There's so many excuses you can use before it starts to get funny. Not 7 losses across different venues. This isn't Fed-Nadal with 75% of the matches being on clay. It was 4-0 on HC alone before yesterday. There's no excuse for that. It's still like 7-3 on HC for Alcaraz overall and 2-0 in HC Slams. Let Sinner win 2 or 3 more matches and make the h2h look respectable before giving him credit for no reason other than his extraordinary consistency in beating mediocre players at best.
After Turin final, Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner have played 3,302 points over the course of their rivalry.

Alcaraz has won 1,651.
Sinner has won 1,651.

This should tell u something, but u are too biased and blinded by ur animosity against the ginger
 
After Turin final, Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner have played 3,302 points over the course of their rivalry.

Alcaraz has won 1,651.
Sinner has won 1,651.

This should tell u something, but u are too biased and blinded by ur animosity against the ginger
Man talk about pulling stats out of your you know what. Fed won more points than Djokovic in the 2019 WImbledon final. Give him the trophy.

Remember this?
Fed won 54% of his points in his career. I bet without checking the stats that Nadal and Djokovic have similar stats.

Who cares that Sinner came close? He lost. If they play `10 more times, Sinner gets 2 wins 6-1 6-1 and Alcaraz wins 8 matches saving match points in all of them the h2h at the end of the day is 8-2 Alcaraz and he goes home with trophies.
 
After Turin final, Carlos Alcaraz and Jannik Sinner have played 3,302 points over the course of their rivalry.

Alcaraz has won 1,651.
Sinner has won 1,651.

This should tell u something, but u are too biased and blinded by ur animosity against the ginger
Don’t reply to him. He’s a waste of time. At least you’ve learnt and you are forgiven.
 
Nice win for Sinner. As others have said, he might have "needed" it more for his confidence, and it will help that he still won that second set despite not being his best.

Some people like to dismiss exhibitions completely, but the fact that Sinner has also been able to beat Alcaraz easily in the 6 Kings thing is probably also a good little confidence boost. Sure, the result doesn't really matter, but it's always good to know you can beat someone when you are just going for it and playing without pressure.

Lastly, on the age thing that is still mentioned a lot with this rivalry: people should listen to that long interview Jack Draper did on a podcast. He talks about people maturing at different rates and how age isn't always indicative. Alcaraz was physically mature BEFORE Sinner, despite being younger than Sinner.

Are you joking? I absolutely love the low cam angle! It really highlights just how fast and how good the angles they hit are, you can tell when they put more top spin curve on the ball, how deep it goes. It's the best!
YES! This angle was great at these finals. It's usually nice to see, but it was particularly good at this venue, and with Alcaraz and Sinner it was absolutely fascinating to watch. It really does give you a much different and better understanding of how they are really playing.
 
I think he'll want to make a statement at AO, to show this YEC win was not a fluke. Hopefully we'll see
both guys in the final there; shorty has had some trouble getting there previously.

Beyond that I can't say.
You see him defending it? I’m worried about the heat mainly for Sinner
 
I wonder why they didn't use the time during his ban to improve his serve. Or maybe they worked on it but to no avail? Really disappointing to see these sub-"Sonic" serve performances again and again.
I think Carrot doesn't really have the legs to be a high-level, consistently dangerous server.
He kind of "falls into" the serve, rather than having the lifting, cracked-whip motion of the
great ones. That can work, but not consistently and under pressure, IMO.

Maybe he'll prove me wrong, though.
 
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Funny anyone would even think Raz could win
Faster indoor ping pong conditions favor Jans
straight forward clinical tennis.
Raz mentally is still not consistent enough but
could find another gear at the AO or enjoy the
slower conditions there.
Alcaraz held set point in a 79-minute first set before dropping it in a tiebreak, and led by a break in the second set before ultimately falling 7-5 while dealing with an injury. He definitely had a chance to win.
 
I think Carrot doesn't really have the legs to be a high-level, consistently dangerous server.
He kind of "falls into" the serve, rather than having the lifting, cracked-whip motion of the
great ones. That can work, but not consistently and under pressure, IMO.
I'm not asking for 240 km/h blasts. But hitting more consistently 60+ % 1st serves ought to be doable. And never ever below say 55%. Just a bit of the robotic excellence the carrot is known for. Something is seriously wrong with his serve. Technically one can dissect every miniscule detail of his serve action incl. the ball toss, you can hire experts in biophysics, you can employ an AI for further analysis etc., etc. - I really would like to know how the carrot and his team are going to address this issue. Or is it a mental blockade?
 
If I had to bet (I don't) it would probably be on Carrot repeating at AO, if he and Alky make the final.
Yeah, heat could be an issue for sure.
Sinner won't be playing much during the day, and if he does have a day match in genuinely hot weather they'll close the roof and set the temperature for 25 degrees Celsius. Unless even a warm night is too much for him it shouldn't be an issue.
 
Sinner has long legs and arms , he will put to much stress on them. Alcaraz will pounce when that happens .
Who knows, they can both win 20 slams . :cool:
Be carefull bcz Carlos dense muscules are more prone to injuries in the long term especially whit hes insane speed and leg overload in hes FH
 
Seems to me that every time they meet both risks an injury, to win they push their bodies to the extreme. Both are capable and willing to "kill themselve" for a point. As a spectator is fun to watch but i think it will not last long.
 
I recognize Sinner played better by a hair of a margin throughout the match hence why it was a good and entertaining one indeed.

Opening game set 2 Carlos pressed the baseline bc he was spinning his 2nds in and attacking and forced Jannik to go for more.
The decision to come in 30-15 off a ball that didn’t penetrate the court deep or take Jannik off his spot was a rushed decision.

You can spin my words however ya like.
Yah man, agree this assessment. Close, but Jannik managed to convert his chances better.

What a superb achievement for Jannik to essentially leave the field in his wake. Winning a top event without dropping a set. Wowsers! Excellent season all round despite its challenges.

Carlitos too has excelled this year, despite its challenges for him. Really pleased to note his improvement on fast hard courts, and his general confidence at this time of year when historically, he has flagged.

Note that Carlitos is out of the DC with an injury issue, hope he recovers well for the new season.

Thoroughly enjoyed this season and looking forward to the next ..... hope it includes some jaw dropping tennis!
 
“Will” is a strong word. His game is not suited indoors. You have players like Mensik and Draper who could probably have a greater affinity for the surface
His game isn't suited for indoors?? He made the ATP final and could have just as easily have won the match given how close it was(He had set points in the first set) . He dominated Sinner at the US open when the roof was closed in the final, and he won an indoor title at Rotterdam earlier in the year.

Are you blind to facts or just love to live in a world of hyperbole?
 
And what about Sinner? At least have some tact. You don’t think he won’t improve further?
Sinner will, but Alcaraz more likely has more to improve given the age of both players. Sinner already now is in that typical age of a tennis players prime(24-27). 22 is not typically any players prime. But both players will make each other better.
 
Yes I noted in some other thread when it mattered most, Jannik converted those points.
That second serve was ballsy facing set point in the first. Truly high pace and a smidge inside the box. Perfect pace and location.
 
Sinner will, but Alcaraz more likely has more to improve given the age of both players. Sinner already now is in that typical age of a tennis players prime(24-27). 22 is not typically any players prime. But both players will make each other better.
You do realize Alcaraz is an early bloomer as opposed to a later one?

Plus Sinner has made larger improvements in tennis stats over the last 3 years, despite being 2 years older



From 2022-2025, Sinner’s DR has jumped up tremendously, and DR is the most reputable marker of a players improvement
 
You do realize Alcaraz is an early bloomer as opposed to a later one?

Plus Sinner has made larger improvements in tennis stats over the last 3 years, despite being 2 years older



From 2022-2025, Sinner’s DR has jumped up tremendously, and DR is the most reputable marker of a players improvement
Sinner being a later bloomer and Alcaraz being an early bloomer doesn't mean Alcaraz is done developing or is in his prime yet. Yes Sinner has improved a lot since 2022 because at the end of 2022 he was ranked 15th in the world and not even in the discussion for best player in the world.

I would argue the difference between Sinner from 2024 to 2025 is basically about the same, whereas Alcaraz's improvement from last year is much more significant. ( 2024 he had 2 slams, 4 titles) This season 2 slams, 8 titles including 3 masters, and titles on all surfaces( clay, grass, indoor hard, outdoor hard)

Also even in 2022 when Alcaraz was the #1 player in the world he finished the season with a record of 57-13 whereas this season he finished the year #1 with a record of 71-9, in a season where he had a much better Sinner to compete against.

I think Alcaraz is maybe a year or so away from his prime whereas I think Sinner is already in his prime.

Just because Federer had won a slam at 19, didn't mean he was in his prime yet, his prime was probably around age 25. Same with Nadal who won slams while aged 19, but his prime was probably 2010 when he was 24.
 
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Sinner being a later bloomer and Alcaraz being a later bloomer doesn't mean Alcaraz is done developing or is in his prime yet. Yes Sinner has improved a lot since 2022 because at the end of 2022 he was ranked 15th in the world and not even in the discussion for best player in the world.

I would argue the difference between Sinner from 2024 to 2025 is basically about the same, whereas Alcaraz's improvement from last year is much more significant. ( 2024 he had 2 slams, 4 titles) This season 2 slams, 8 titles including 3 masters, and titles on all surfaces( clay, grass, indoor hard, outdoor hard)

Also even in 2022 when Alcaraz was the #1 player in the world he finished the season with a record of 57-13 whereas this season he finished the year #1 with a record of 71-9, in a season where he had a much better Sinner to compete against.

I think Alcaraz is maybe a year or so away from his prime whereas I think Sinner is already in his prime.

Just because Federer had won a slam at 19, didn't mean he was in his prime yet, his prime was probably around age 25. Same with Nadal who won slams while aged 19, but his prime was probably 2010 when he was 24.

When you quote me, at least quote with factual information
 
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