2025 WTF final - Alcaraz vs Sinner

[Vincent-C]

Agassi was not a good mover at all by elite standards, and he had a tidy career.
If you can push the other guy around with your groundies movement doesn't matter
as much (see Wawrinka v. Djokovic, as well).

 

[dking68]

Agassi was not a good mover at all by elite standards, and he had a tidy career.
If you can push the other guy around with your groundies that doesn't matter
so much (see Wawrinka v. Djokovic, as well).

Agassi is an excellent mover

 

[Vincent-C]

Sampras won a slam at age 19.

Yes he did- and what happened for a few years after that?

 

[Vincent-C]

Agassi is an excellent mover

[cough]

If you think that, then there's not much to talk about.

 

[dking68]

Yes he did- and what happened for a few years after that?

Tell me an important tournament or result Fils has done in the last 6 months

 

[vwanderaa]

Alky is gonna take some beatings from Sinner next year. Sinner is gonna have a positive seasonal h2h against him in 2026, for sure

Alky is gonna take some beatings from Sinner next year. Sinner is gonna have a positive seasonal h2h against him in 2026, for sure

You said the same at the end of 2024.

Your player is 2-7 in his last 9 meetings against Alcaraz, and Alcaraz was injured for 1 of the 2 he lost. You would think Sinner fanboys would be too embarrassed to make grand statements by now about his owner.

 

[Fabrivitx]

Gill Gross has been an Alcaraz fan for a gazillion and I’m convinced he, as well as Prakash Amritaj are the most biased analysts

Prakash is so biased against Sinner and he dont even hide It

 

[Fabrivitx]

Fils is still young(21) younger than Alcaraz in fact although not by much. He's already won titles and he's looked Elite at times. He might put it all together. He definitely has a high ceiling which is usually what's required to win big titles. Just needs more consistency and experience.

Fonseca has such a big serve and extremely big ground strokes that he might not need to be the best mover.

I'm a big Draper fan too( fellow Brit), he's won big titles already and proved he can compete at the highest level .... unfortunately he is injury prone however so perhaps even if he does find success it might be short lived if this trend continues.

I like fils too, but hes back injury is scary, vertebre fracture.

 

[KennyoFatoBoiyo]

I like fils too, but hes back injury is scary, vertebre fracture.

Yeah it's too bad, but good that he's taking precautions to not rush back to play.

 

[Fabrivitx]

Yeah it's too bad, but good that he's taking precautions to not rush back to play.

Last news from France hes going to play AO.
I think its dumb

 

[DariaGT]

Alcaraz held set point in a 79-minute first set before dropping it in a tiebreak, and led by a break in the second set before ultimately falling 7-5 while dealing with an injury. He definitely had a chance to win.

hence I state Raz mentally is still not consistent

 

[DariaGT]

If he falls to heat one more time, especially in a final against Raz, I'm going to lose my mind.

I recall AO in the old days players were on court surfaces that melted their shoes
now luckily there is a 35c degree rule and Finals are played at night not in full sun.

 

[KennyoFatoBoiyo]

hence I state Raz mentally is still not consistent

And yet he consistently outperforms his best competition, and has more slams than him despite his best competition being two years older than him.

How consistent was Sinner at 22? How many titles did he finish with when he was 22?

 

[top10]

Medvedev looks unplayable in routine exchanges from the back of the court. Sinner should make him come in more…

 

[ChrisJR3264]

Prakash is so biased against Sinner and he dont even hide It

I’m interested to hear what Gross has to say about meddy at IW. He said to read nothing into med’s coaching change and titles at the end of last year and early this year.

 

[Sudacafan]

Medvedev looks unplayable in routine exchanges from the back of the court. Sinner should make him come in more…

Sorry. Wrong number.

 

[ALCARAZWON]

hence I state Raz mentally is still not consistent

Alcaraz is the most consistent all-surface player in the world.
Sinner is not consistent on clay, while Alcaraz is EXTREMELY consistent on clay.
And on hardcourt they are about the same consistency since August last year.
And on grass they are about the same consistency too.

But when is the last time Sinner won a deciding set vs. Alcaraz?
Deciding meaning the 5th Set at a slam, or the 3rd Set at a non-slam.

Alcaraz beat Sinner in 5 at RG 2025.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 3 at Beijing 2024.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 5 at RG 2024.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 3 at Indian Wells 2024.

So Miami 2023 is the last time Sinner won a decider vs. Alcaraz.
And overall against the whole tour, Sinner is 6-11 in 5-setters.
So even though Sinner is consistent, he's mentally inferior to Alcaraz.

 

[robyrolfo]

Alcaraz is the most consistent all-surface player in the world.
Sinner is not consistent on clay, while Alcaraz is EXTREMELY consistent on clay.
And on hardcourt they are about the same consistency since August last year.
And on grass they are about the same consistency too.

But when is the last time Sinner won a deciding set vs. Alcaraz?
Deciding meaning the 5th Set at a slam, or the 3rd Set at a non-slam.

Alcaraz beat Sinner in 5 at RG 2025.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 3 at Beijing 2024.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 5 at RG 2024.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 3 at Indian Wells 2024.

So Miami 2023 is the last time Sinner won a decider vs. Alcaraz.
And overall against the whole tour, Sinner is 6-11 in 5-setters.
So even though Sinner is consistent, he's mentally inferior to Alcaraz.

Bro, we all know you are a joke...

But you are seriously going to use it against Sinner that he destroyed Alcaraz in straights at the Tour Finals (the last time they played)? And that he didn't need a deciding set at Wimbledon? Lol...

 

[DariaGT]

Alcaraz is the most consistent all-surface player in the world.
Sinner is not consistent on clay, while Alcaraz is EXTREMELY consistent on clay.
And on hardcourt they are about the same consistency since August last year.
And on grass they are about the same consistency too.

But when is the last time Sinner won a deciding set vs. Alcaraz?
Deciding meaning the 5th Set at a slam, or the 3rd Set at a non-slam.

Alcaraz beat Sinner in 5 at RG 2025.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 3 at Beijing 2024.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 5 at RG 2024.
Alcaraz beat Sinner in 3 at Indian Wells 2024.

So Miami 2023 is the last time Sinner won a decider vs. Alcaraz.
And overall against the whole tour, Sinner is 6-11 in 5-setters.
So even though Sinner is consistent, he's mentally inferior to Alcaraz.

Raz is still not mentally consistent, losing the Meds
a player who was embarrassed by Old Fedal when
trying to use the same old tactics that hurt Carlitos.

Meds is a feisty player but nothing of the difficulties
he faced in the past when balls were faster, jumped up
and made his serve more deadly than today.

Meds had to adjust racquet specs and game to keep
up to low bouncing, fluffed up atp monopolized profits
yet considering the higher difficulties he faced in the
past, this was a challenge that even at his age with
almost a 2m tall frame was able to overcome.

Yet even with great coach behind him it technically
took Meds a set and a halve to realize Rei Sakamoto
was hitting mostly service line short balls that most
top 800 players would step in and crush.

Meds finally served and stood "on the" baseline
than shuffle back a meter behind it as usual.
This lack of improvising is easily destroyed by
Sinner who unlike Raz did not succumb to simple
OldNoledal "backhand cage" and Older Agassi
"punisher" tactics.

We are blessed to have Raz but he is still young
while Sinner has 2 years ahead of him and more
experience than to fall for simple tactics.

These 2 players have a massive gap still even
though Fonseca pushed Sinner playing monotone
power tennis, Raz embarrassed the Brazilian
with the variety that Sinner has been trying learn
add to his already perfect Plan A and B.