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2026: A Great Year for ABZ
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Razer
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Confident reply and +ve attitude from Zverev.
Would be great if he wins, it would ruin the day for plenty of jealous people in this thread.... haha.. just what we need.
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It would be a hot mess lol
MichaelNadal
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Slay!!!!King Chainz
BorgTheGOAT
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Zverev is better anyways. Tennis is played by millions of people in the world with youth academies and all this stuff. Unless this guy is among the top 3 lawyers, mathematicians or doctors in the world it is not comparable at all. Even if I were the third best lawyer in the world. The decision to study law normally comes to people when entering university. Next to nobody starts studying it as a 5 or 6 years old or goes to training camps, academies whatever. The talent pool in tennis or the number of competitors is far above non-sports professions.
Razer
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Maybe an employee working in NASA or SpaceX thinks he is the best in the world at what he does just because he is working in Elon Musk's company but he is nothing more than a small foot soldier. Musk has bragging rights of being the best, not some employee working there.
I am sure nobody in TTW or MTF or any forum is 3rd in the world at what they do at an individual level .... Being a part of a big group and feeling ownership does not make one the owner. Tennis players are the sole owners of their success...that's for sure. Nobody here is as successful in their lives as Zverev who is self made and is under 30 as well. The people hating him are probably older than him and less successful, less good looking... Sad that they still gain pleasure by seeing him lose and pray to God to see him lose.
Anyway looking forward to Zverev's win over Mensik and then over whoever he faces in the final. The final will be harder for him, but he has the experience and level to overpower no matter who it is. Outside of Sinneraz and old Djoko he must not lose to anyone and they are not here ...
helterskelter
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Musk has absolutely no bragging rights of "being the best." He is one of the worst human beings in the public eye, and his existence is absolutely miserable, regardless of how many financial resources he is able to hoard and how much power he acquires.
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helterskelter
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I'm sure he is. His whole line of argument in this thread is so Musk-esque: everyone should regard Zverev as a better human than them because of his tennis success. I don't regard worth as a human as correlated with success in a competitive endeavor. I wouldn't trade my existence with that of Elon Musk for all the money in the world. (Zverev is different, as of course as a tennis fan, part of me would have loved to be a successful player).
Good for you if you are world-class in your field, but that's the least important part of what's wrong with Razer and Borg's line of argument in this thread.
Razer
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Sure, why not? Elon is doing great work with his space research and is taking humanity forward to being a type 1 civilization.
I am a fan of Musk, Putin, Zverev, Bill Gates & Larry Ellison ....and no I am not joking.
I used to be an admirer of Trump too but a little disappointed with some of the things he is doing...
You probably dislike them all ?
There is not 1 bad thing that Musk has done.
Agree.
helterskelter
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He is truly a god among men! He would have had a decent case for being the GOAT of human beings, if Donald Trump hadn't recently locked down that status.
Razer
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Zverev will win this slam....so might as well shut down your ABZ club of jealous haters.
Razer
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I and @BorgTheGOAT never said you should admire Zverev's tennis or treat him as too great etc
But least we can do is not pray for someone to lose everytime....it is unsportsmanlike you know ..
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DarthJodar
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ABZ is just a bit of fun. I don’t think it’s full of jealous haters at all. Pro tennis is entertainment. ABZ is just WWE style harmless messing around.
There’s not one player on tour where you find yourself consistently rooting for their opponents? Because functionally that’s the same – rooting for a guy’s opponent is rooting for that guy to lose.
helterskelter
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I didn't weigh in on Zverev, as my feelings for him are a bit more complicated than my feelings for Musk. That's why I only weighed in once Musk came up.
On Zverev: I'm actually quite okay with him winning this slam. Partly because he is a type-1 diabetic, and so is my brother, and thus I identify with that challenge. And partly because I feel sorry for him for having come so close so many times. I do think he seems very cocky, but that usually masks insecurity (and his nervousness indicates that, too). I often like it when someone who has been close many times finally gets over the hump, as with Ivanisevic and Novotna back in the day.
NachoGPT
Hall of Fame
Bro likes all the supervillains
Shaolin
Talk Tennis Guru
Projecting once again. We all get it, you want to be like Zed and are excited about his RG run.
Now go back to the kids table and leave the adults alone.
Better_Call_Raul
Legend
Razer
G.O.A.T.
Type 1 Diabetes (since he was 3 years old) who tries hard and came so close many times ...yes....that's a legit reason to not root against him.
BorgTheGOAT
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And what exactly is wrong? I do not say that Zverev is a great human being. He has all kind of flaws like everyone and you will hear from many posts of mine that I am not exactly a fan. This being said he is a very hard worker and has won more than anyone in history of tennis who did not win a slam. He is also my countryman so even if I am not at all patriotic, all these things make me want him to win a slam. What is incredible cringe is to pray for someone to lose even though you do not know him. Of course everyone has their favorites and less-favorites but getting too much invested in hate is never a good way.
helterskelter
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I thought you were agreeing with Razer that someone's worth as a human being is based on their success in competitive endeavors. If I misread you, then I apologize.
I'm not anti-Zverev winning this event, as I said to Razer earlier:
"I didn't weigh in on Zverev, as my feelings for him are a bit more complicated than my feelings for Musk. That's why I only weighed in once Musk came up.
On Zverev: I'm actually quite okay with him winning this slam. Partly because he is a type-1 diabetic, and so is my brother, and thus I identify with that challenge. And partly because I feel sorry for him for having come so close so many times. I do think he seems very cocky, but that usually masks insecurity (and his nervousness indicates that, too). I often like it when someone who has been close many times finally gets over the hump, as with Ivanisevic and Novotna back in the day."
BorgTheGOAT
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Never said that, not sure where Razer said that. Success in competitive endeavors is admirable and there it stops. IT does not make you are more or less worthy human being. That being said, hate and wish for failure for anyone successful or not is never good. Of course it happens more against successful people. A good looking guy like Zverev who also comes across arrogant sometimes triggers such feelings.
MichaelNadal
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The “AB” is about to be retired
Djokovic_is_the_best#1
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I’m hoping so bestie! I love that we both on the same page here!The “AB” is about to be retired
objection_
Professional
I mean if Sabs can lose so can Z...The “AB” is about to be retired
helterskelter
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It's phrases such as this from Razer that lead me to believe that competitive success is being treated as synonymous with overall worth:
"The guy is ranked 3 globally, is a celebrity who is famous worldwide and is a star. He is not a loser, he is better than all of us."
Maybe you read it differently, and that's okay!
Razer
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He is definitely no loser and is better than all of us because he has had type 1 diabetes since 3 years of age which we don't have and yet he is famous, self made, reached world number 2 and has won the most number of tennis titles in his generation (1990s gen), so yes, he is better than everybody here when it is comes to being an inspiration to people.
What is wrong in my statement?
Who here was ranked 2 globally in his/her profession individually and this despite a serious medical issue preventing it since childhood??? Zverev broke his ankle and came back next year to the top level yet again.
You think he is not better than all of TTW posters combined? He is for sure.
Zverev must be very inspirational for all the diabetes patients worldwide, diabetes from 3 years of age never prevented him from reaching this far. That is seriously inspirational !!!
helterskelter
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I don't think that worth as a person is something that we can rank hierarchically based on professional achievements. I don't think being #2 globally in your profession makes you a better person than those who are not #2 globally in their profession. Only right-wingers think that it does, and I'm not right-wing. Moreover, in almost every field there is no ranking of people and thus there is no "#2 globally."
Razer
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Sure but can you agree with me that Zverev is more inspirational that all of the TTW posters at an individual level?
I mean we don't know anyone who has undergone such hardships in life like him and overcame such odds, right?
Nadal won 22 slams with a defective foot, but other than that who athletically has overcame such odds since childhood?
How low have we fallen down on the scale of decency if we cannot appreciate a guy who has had type 1 diabetes since 3 years of age and achieved all this, yet we cheer for him to lose and want him to lose despite we being strangers to him ?
I am not talking about you here, I am talking about some others that we can see in this thread.
helterskelter
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Yes, I said earlier that I admire him for it. As I noted, the fact that my brother is also a type-1 diabetic makes that especially significant for me. (He was 19 when he developed it, but as a genetic condition, we always knew it might well happen because my step-mother/his mother also has it, and her father had it, too).
Federer and Del Potro
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Threads like these are why I created an account here.
helterskelter
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What makes Cobolli a member of the Mario family?
aldeayeah
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Career choice (plumbing)
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
His middle name is probably Luigi.
It's definitely impressive that he's achieved what he has, and if he inspires other young people with diabetes to pursue endeavors they might otherwise not have because of their condition, then good. That's a genuine positive impact on the world. But it also doesn't necessarily make him any kind of moral exemplar whose other faults should be overlooked. Anyone is free to despise his behavior, such as physically assaulting a chair umpire, and it doesn't make that person jealous or a loser or anything. People have different standards for what they find inspiring and worthy of praise, and that's okay.
Kafel69
Professional
holy implosion... i thought she had it in the bag... ABZ club needs some of that energy right about now lol
p.s. never seen so many men go to such length (and lengthy paragraphs) to defend an abuser lmao
Razer
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Problem is that whatever DV cases of Zverev that we hear is a personal thing. We don't know what transpired between him and his partner, those things are only for a qualified judge to look into.
Hitting the umpire's chair I personally found it funny, it was a bit kiddish tbh. Some people vent frustration by kicking non living objects, violently breaking racquets etc. Zverev decided to beat the chair, Tsitsipas has done that too near his father once, remember ? ... It was immature and he was fined for it. That's it. Nobody was harmed in it. It really is not a big deal IMO.
Had he touched someone and done something, then we would not say this ......but in this case, it was just he being immature ...he was fined, end of story.
What you label as "hate" among sports fans is almost never caused by envy (that's the proper term here, not jealousy). People prone to that kind of bitterness probably wouldn't be sports fans at all, because virtually all the pros, with their money and fame, would excite the same feelings. That is, if you hate Zverev merely for his achievements and his position in society, whom would you not hate? Alcaraz and Sinner, the Big 3, various ATGs -- all these folks also have money, fame, and much better achievements and status within their sport than Zverev does. A truly envious observer is not going to single out Zverev for hate because envy is universally corrosive.
Strong dislike of professional athletes really tends to be based on two things, separately or in combination: tribalism (he or she is not "my guy" or on "my team" so I hope they fail) and animosities of the kind that the person probably feels in real life too ("He has a punchable face." "He's a scumbag." "She's nasty." "He's a selfish jerk." "She's stuck-up." Etc.).
BorgTheGOAT
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Winner or loser in the sense of successful not in the sense he values more or is the better human being. He is more successful than all of us so calling him a loser is absurd.
This is all just handwaving. Court cases are not the only evidence about a person's behavior. OJ was found not guilty in a court of law but most people think he committed the murders – as they have every right to do. And in any case, the evidence of domestic abuse was strong enough for a German court to issue a penalty order and fine. Zverev appealed and before the result of the appeal decided to reach a settlement agreement. So even by your standards, a "qualified judge" looked into things and found sufficient evidence to punish Zverev. That's the only tangible legal decision we have to hang our epistemic hats on here.
As for the Acapulco incident, he deliberately struck the umpire's chair as close to the umpire's body as he could. It was a clear act of intimidation and threatened violence, nothing "kiddish" about it. It seems to be a one-off thing, and generally he conducts himself pretty well on court (if a bit whiny for my tastes), so I can understand if someone doesn't write him off solely because of that one incident. But it definitely was not some humorous youthful shenanigans.
But whatever. You see things your way and I see things my way – and that's good! Diversity of thought and opinion is awesome. But don't act like no one in this thread has valid reasons for disliking him.
Razer
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You know, I follow a simple rule. I don't dislike people based on what they might have done to someone else (assuming that does not affect me at all even remotely) because if I start doing that then I could find a reason to dislike everybody on this earth because everybody is a villain in someone's story in some way. If somebody is deliberately bad with me, then I will dislike them for that, otherwise I would not use their behavior towards someone else to be a reason for me to form -ve thoughts. Of course I could dislike many tennis players for what they bring to the court, you could dislike Zverev for his game, even for his umpire chair stunt... but how/why should we be worried about his off court cases? We really are not anywhere related to the parties involved in this, just not our concern.
helterskelter
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Yeah, we just have different world views. I don't agree with your last sentence as a general truth at all, regardless of what we think about Zverev. Someone can be "successful" by conventional standards, and still be someone I think of as a loser. To quote @tudwell's wise words: "But whatever. You see things your way and I see things my way - and that's good!"
