21 year old super talent can't win games in 5th set losses, while 33 year old Isner can win 24

#14
You blame Zverev for being arrogant but at the same time claim that someone is capable of reaching a Master final while being injuried ...
Yes the likes of Novak and Federer are good enough to reach Master's Finals injured, Federer got injurrd in his particular final vs Zverev IIRC.
 
#15
Yes the likes of Novak and Federer are good enough to reach Master's Finals injured.
No they are not. If you are healthy enough to reach a Master final, which is an event at the pinnacle of a tennis competition than you dont have a serious injury. I think that you dont understand the level at which these guys are playing. That being said, Zverev won plenty of other tournaments to back up his arrogancy.
 
#16
No they are not. If you are healthy enough to reach a Master final, which is an event at the pinnacle of a tennis competition than you dont have a serious injury. I think that you dont understand the level at which these guys are playing. That being said, Zverev won plenty of other tournaments to back up his arrogancy.
This is a load of toss. Yes you can have injuries that don't prevent you from playing but also inhibit your playing level; the ATGs are good enough to get to the latter stages of Master's tournaments even if physically hindered.

I don't recall Zverev beating a top player in a slam or even reaching a slam semi final, so no, his arrogance is not justified.
 
#20
z has won some 5-set matches recently however, he is not the only young guy on the tour, the rest of them is doing even worse than him anyway lol
 
#21
This is a load of toss. Yes you can have injuries that don't prevent you from playing but also inhibit your playing level; the ATGs are good enough to get to the latter stages of Master's tournaments even if physically hindered.

I don't recall Zverev beating a top player in a slam or even reaching a slam semi final, so no, his arrogance is not justified.
They can also be small/nagging injuries that get worse by the time they reach the final. That's pretty much what happened to Fed in Montreal, but he was lucky he was playing pigeons pretty much the whole way through, so he got to the final anyway.
 
#23
They can also be small/nagging injuries that get worse by the time they reach the final. That's pretty much what happened to Fed in Montreal, but he was lucky he was playing pigeons pretty much the whole way through, so he got to the final anyway.
It's not that Zverev is a poor player, far from it - at times in BO3, he's a world class player but the fact that he's lost often to lower ranked players in the 3rd round of slams or even earlier means that you can't take him as a serious contender or take his ranking at face value - at the least, the number 3 should be able to reach slam semis. I think he got to the ranking far too early in his career due to the injuries and withdrawals from all the old top players like Novak, Murray, Stan, Kei and Raonic even though all of them are now at varying stages of their comebacks, Also unfair to call the latter two 'old' - indeed they're just Lost.

Anyway, yeah Zverev needs to make steady progress in slams to be taken seriously within the next 3-4 years. Even if he performs similarly to Theim where he significantly favours one slam over the others, at least it would signify some element of the greatness he already espouses.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#24
You blame Zverev for being arrogant but at the same time claim that someone is capable of reaching a Master final while being injuried ...
95% of fans on here have been dissing Zverev's accomplishments since the Rome final last year, so when he makes four more the fraudulent backstory keeps expanding.:D
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#26
It's not that Zverev is a poor player, far from it - at times in BO3, he's a world class player but the fact that he's lost often to lower ranked players in the 3rd round of slams or even earlier means that you can't take him as a serious contender or take his ranking at face value - at the least, the number 3 should be able to reach slam semis. I think he got to the ranking far too early in his career due to the injuries and withdrawals from all the old top players like Novak, Murray, Stan, Kei and Raonic even though all of them are now at varying stages of their comebacks, Also unfair to call the latter two 'old' - indeed they're just Lost.

Anyway, yeah Zverev needs to make steady progress in slams to be taken seriously within the next 3-4 years. Even if he performs similarly to Theim where he significantly favours one slam over the others, at least it would signify some element of the greatness he already espouses.
:rolleyes:And yet Fed has one more QF at the same age and had a bad 2002 at the slams. Let's get real here. Pouille made back to back QFs at slams and it didn't mean squat. 3 in the world and soon likely to be 2 (post US Open) is the only real measure. Oh and all of the players named save Murray are little threat to Zverev.;)
 
#28
Isner is a solid pro. He is a lumbering giant however he has the greatest serve on the planet and he does have solid skills and a fighting heart.
He deserves props.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
#30
Exactly. Once Fed schooled him he has disappeared.
Now you've got it. Don't worry that Chung was injured for the match or has been out injured most of the season.;)

Now of course imaginary injuries for some players in finals are perfectly fine for the fraudulent set; just keep in mind the glass is always half empty.:oops:
 
#32
:rolleyes:And yet Fed has one more QF at the same age and had a bad 2002 at the slams. Let's get real here. Pouille made back to back QFs at slams and it didn't mean squat. 3 in the world and soon likely to be 2 (post US Open) is the only real measure. Oh and all of the players named save Murray are little threat to Zverev.;)
Were either Fed or Pouille no. 3 in the world when they made their first slam QFs? Precisely. Slam performance is the barometer, it's the measuring stick in tennis and until Zverev starts to improve on that front, in my eyes at least, he won't be a top player. Also we'll see if the veterans return to the top of their game and if they do, whether Zverev will remain in the top 3.
 
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