250lb+ players...

r2473

G.O.A.T.
As someone who played against TTwarrior his persona on the forums is very different than in real life. He has told me before that he was a 4.5, and that he is working back to that. He is not currently playing at that rating. He is a very nice guy to play with and I have not seen any of the anger issues first hand. The community in which he plays, and I used to is not large enough to allow that kind of behavior.
Is this story true?

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/greatest-post-you-may-ever-read-tell-everyone.30897/
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Unfortunately there is no way she is healthy at that weight.
Suspect she'll outlive you. Females can carry a lot of extra weight and live a long time. My mother in law has been 5' 200-250 lbs her whole life. Never has done a stitch of excercise. Eats whatever she wants. She's turning 80 this year. Doesn't look like she's going to die anytime soon.

Weight is only one small factor in health. And it's especially less of a factor for women than men. Probably the biggest problem with excess weight is the effect on joint health when it comes to sports. I notice a big difference in how my knees and back feel when I'm playing at 215 vs 200 lbs.
 

The Big Kahuna

Hall of Fame
You guys ever hear of Trevor "The Tank" Kronemann? He is proof that good tennis players and great athletes come in all sizes and shapes. He played professionally at 6'4" tall and pretty close to 250 pounds. Kronemann enjoyed most of his tennis success while playing doubles. During his career he won 6 doubles titles and finished runner-up an additional 5 times. He achieved a career-high doubles ranking of World No. 19 in 1995.



Don't be hatin' on no big dudes!



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IA-SteveB

Hall of Fame
As someone who played against TTwarrior his persona on the forums is very different than in real life. He has told me before that he was a 4.5, and that he is working back to that. He is not currently playing at that rating. He is a very nice guy to play with and I have not seen any of the anger issues first hand. The community in which he plays, and I used to is not large enough to allow that kind of behavior.
Fair enough. I can only base my opinion on what I see posted here. Sounds like he goes out of his way to be weird here. :)
 

NLBwell

Legend
5'7

175

12% body fat????

hahahaha..... Im calling BS on that one.

My wife is 5'6" and at 115 she was 12% body fat. Then again, she is skinny like a model. D1 soccer athletes got some trunks on them. I gotta see a pic of what a 175 lb/12% body fat women looks like. Cause most elite women players are in the 130 lb range.
I would think some of the Crossfit champion women would be about that height/weight/fat%. Some maybe even lower fat%. I've known a couple of woman body-builders who would be in that range with less fat%. That amount of muscle isn't something you would be by just playing soccer, though. The poster must have been doing some weight training.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
I would think some of the Crossfit champion women would be about that height/weight/fat%. Some maybe even lower fat%. I've known a couple of woman body-builders who would be in that range with less fat%. That amount of muscle isn't something you would be by just playing soccer, though. The poster must have been doing some weight training.
For the record ... a lot of weight training and power-lifting competitions ... the soccer ethos was different back then, especially for defenders (I was a sweeper) the thought was that size/strength mattered on the field, the game was more brute force than the finesse and speed game played today. I would have preferred today's game actually, probably fewer chronic injuries.

Something to consider .. .caliper body fat measurements are quite accurate compared to the tank tests for men. They are not as accurate for women. Women have more sub-cutaneous fat and the caliper test (which the above poster's data all show) uses a formula to infer overall body composition based on ratios of sub-cutaneous to visceral/overall fat. Because of this, water tank composition tests will show lower by up to 5% total composition on women versus less than 1% difference for men. My caliper test back then was likely in the high teens as a %.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
For the record ... a lot of weight training and power-lifting competitions ... the soccer ethos was different back then, especially for defenders (I was a sweeper) the thought was that size/strength mattered on the field, the game was more brute force than the finesse and speed game played today. I would have preferred today's game actually, probably fewer chronic injuries.

Something to consider .. .caliper body fat measurements are quite accurate compared to the tank tests for men. They are not as accurate for women. Women have more sub-cutaneous fat and the caliper test (which the above poster's data all show) uses a formula to infer overall body composition based on ratios of sub-cutaneous to visceral/overall fat. Because of this, water tank composition tests will show lower by up to 5% total composition on women versus less than 1% difference for men. My caliper test back then was likely in the high teens as a %.
The old adage is men carry their fat on the inside and women carry it on the outside. It's the inside fat that kills you generally. Although at 300 lbs you most assuredly are carrying it all over.
 

Mlenk

Rookie
I do a lot of weight training and at my heaviest, when I did powerlifting, I was 230lbs. Most of it was muscle but I still found movement on the court was hindered. I have cut down to around 200lbs now and I can feel how much easier I move on the court.

I can't imagine trying to play tennis weighing a fat 250lbs. Like you said the guy must have had very good shots and awareness to compensate for the lack of movement.
Im in the same boat. Im 5'10 but weigh 230 for powerlifting. Most of it is muscle and most people dont believe me when i tell them i weigh that much. Im trying to cut down to 200 cuz during the last 6 months ive moved to lifting weights for general strength purposes and am not planning on doing a powerlifting meet for a long time and I have now started playing tennis again 4 to 5 times a week. Even though im not a "fat" 230 lbs, its still 230 lbs to move around the court and i am now having anterior knee pain on my left knee because of it.
 

Slightly D1

Professional
I would think some of the Crossfit champion women would be about that height/weight/fat%. Some maybe even lower fat%. I've known a couple of woman body-builders who would be in that range with less fat%. That amount of muscle isn't something you would be by just playing soccer, though. The poster must have been doing some weight training.
12% BF is legitimate body builder cut and at 175 lbs, well that is extremely large for an average woman with her height at 5'7. Weight training could make sense if she were 135-140 but 175 is virtually impossible for a woman at 12% unless she was doing steroids and looked like the woman equivalent to the hulk. I'm not trying to be rude but 12% is just bs.
 

NLBwell

Legend
12% BF is legitimate body builder cut and at 175 lbs, well that is extremely large for an average woman with her height at 5'7. Weight training could make sense if she were 135-140 but 175 is virtually impossible for a woman at 12% unless she was doing steroids and looked like the woman equivalent to the hulk. I'm not trying to be rude but 12% is just bs.
I think they could have picked me up and thrown me across the room like The Hulk. I was polite enough to never ask about steroids.
 

norcal

Hall of Fame
Well she did say that one type of test would probably be high teens, another type said 12%. A coworker told me he was measured at 16% in the water tank - no one who looked at us side by side would think he has lower bf than me...The only really accurate way to measure is a DEXA scan. Here's one I got a couple years ago. I was way more fit then (as I have been limited cardio-wise from injuries/surgery since).

I'm 5'8 147 and was measured at 17.3% 2 years ago.



Here's me last month in Kauai (probably higher bf than 17%)

 
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Nashvegas

Guest
By all the laws of Physics, bumblebees aren't supposed to be able to fly...but they do.


Fat tennis players. We're the bumblebees of TTW.
Public service announcement for all the young folk in the audience... bumble bees are not breaking the laws of physics when they fly.

We return you now to your regularly scheduled programming.
 

NLBwell

Legend
I believe, hoping I remember the article correctly, that they figured out that bumblebees are able to fly because they generate lift not only when the wings are moving downward, as we would all expect, but also when the wings are moving upwards. I'm interested to see if someone tries to use this for aircraft of some sort.
 
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Nashvegas

Guest
I believe, hoping I remember the article correctly, that they figured out that bumblebees are able to fly because they generate lift not only when the wings are moving downward, as we would all expect, but also when the wings are moving upwards. I'm interested to see if someone tries to use this for aircraft of some sort.
Something like this. The wings actually move more forward and backward than up and down, and flip over in the process, creating low pressure areas that provide the lift. The myth about breaking laws of physics assumed the wings create lift like airplane wings.

But analogous to tennis, I also sometimes flip over when I move forward and backward.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
Im here to say that I recently witnessed a 250+ lb player that was GOOD. Really good.
I have seen a few instances of this. Recently with a college team even. At first sight the players looks like he wouldn't be able to move, but he uses smart steps, has deft positioning, and rock solid technique for all shots. he won the match I was watching.
 

Centryx

Semi-Pro
here is the real question for the big guys with a little kegerator around the waist where to find big enough tennis clothes where it doesn't feel restrictive???
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Here you go Startzel, here is a highlight video from last years local masters tournament (7.0 division), my partner is around 6'0 and was also 300+, he is a strong 4.0 at that size ..so his play is more impressive than mine. I win most of my matches from placement and I usually have a strong lefty slice serve going to the ad side.

Loved your reaction/enthusiasm after the first point lol. Nice hittin!
 

Startzel

Hall of Fame
https://rw.runnersworld.com/selects/ultra.html

Ultra
Is it possible to be fat and fit? Healthy and happy as well as heavy? At 250 pounds, distance runner Mirna Valerio provides an inspiring example.
By John Brant From the August 2015 issue Story Update


Mirna Valerio in Black Rock Mountain State Park in Mountain City, Georgia, for an early morning trail run. / Photographs by Bryan Meltz

“PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY TO ME, ‘Anyone who runs as much as you do deserves to be skinny.’ Of course, what they’re really saying: ‘If you do all this running, why are you still so fat?’ ”

Mirna Valerio climbs out of her car at Black Rock Lake. It’s a shining afternoon in early April in the high country of northeastern Georgia, along the eastern reach of the Appalachian Mountains. The serviceberry trees are budding on the hogback hills, but the oak trees and other hardwoods remain bare.


How the feature appeared in the August 2015 issue.

Early that morning, before dawn, Valerio had led a three-mile group run around the campus of Rabun Gap-Na-coochee School in the nearby town of Rabun Gap, where she serves as Spanish teacher, choir director, and head coach of the cross-country team. She’s about to start her second run of the day.

“Or people think, She claims to follow a healthy diet, but I bet she goes home every night and eats a gallon of ice cream.

Moving toward the fishing platform where she always begins her Black Rock runs, Valerio pulls out her smartphone. “But you know what bothers me the most? People look at me and think, Big as this girl is, how can she possibly enjoy her sport? She says she loves to run, but she’s really just punishing herself.

Valerio’s voice—bright, plangent, and Juilliard-trained—rouses a middle-aged man who’s been dozing on a sunny bench on the fishing deck. He looks at Valerio—a 39-year-old, 5-foot-7, 250-pound African-American dressed in a ball cap, fitness top, knee-length running tights, and training shoes—and does a cartoon-grade double take. Valerio blasts him with a big smile and a “Good afternoon, sir!”

And then, turning, she extends her arm for a ritual selfie. Every run, every race, every traverse of a mountain trail, every gym workout, Valerio begins by taking a photo. “To prove that I was out here,” she explains. “To document the fact that I achieved something today.”


A collage of motivation. / Photographs courtesy of Mirna Valerio

Later, she will post the photos on her Facebook page and her blog, Fat Girl Running, in which she both writes of the joys of the running life and thoughtfully, humorously, and sometimes angrily rebuts her doubters, who can’t believe that a self-described fat person might discover—or deserve—this kind of joy. No pun intended, her blog has earned a widening audience and influence.

“Over the last 40 years, the collective BMI (body mass index) of the American public has shot up dramatically, with catastrophic consequences,” says David Ludwig, M.D., Ph.D., founder and director of the New Balance Foundation Obesity Prevention Center at Boston Children’s Hospital. “We understandably spotlight the biggest losers, the people who drop 100 pounds and turn their lives around. But there are countless others who, despite exercising and following a high-quality diet, can only whittle their BMI to a certain point. They need to learn to live healthfully with the disease of obesity, rather than make themselves miserable trying to ‘cure’ themselves of it.”

With a BMI of approximately 39.2, more than nine points above the National Institutes of Health-established line defining obesity, Valerio, a marathoner, ultramarathoner, and trail runner, has emerged as a role model for this group; a living argument that it’s possible to be both fit and fat. “I’m pretty much in love with my body,” she writes in her blog. “Sometimes I get disappointed or angry with it, but like any long-term, committed relationship, it usually comes right back to love and respect.”
So I watched the REI video about her today. It looks like "running" is a loose term for her. Looks like she does a lot of walking which explains why she hasn't cut down her weight.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
I played a 50+ guy that was 250+ a few years ago at Indian Wells. He annihilated me. Turns out, he said he was the USTA 5.0 doubles champ and played college for Cal back in the day. I'm pretty sure the guy could hit a dime on the court 9/10 times.

I asked him how he does in singles and he said he wins against 5.0 youngsters unless movement/fitness come into play. But he just owns the net. Wow.
Got to hit the donut flavored bacon hard! Or is that bacon flavored donuts. Time to research!!
 

TennisLBC

Professional
here is the real question for the big guys with a little kegerator around the waist where to find big enough tennis clothes where it doesn't feel restrictive???
I wear Under Armor XXL. I avoid Lotto XXL; they are more like a US Medium.
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
must play first strike tennis?

i figured he'll play like ivo or isner or delpo who are not known for their movement

a great serve goes a LOOOONG way in rec tennis
sometimes. I can remember being aced 19 times in two sets and winning a match like 2 and 1. Don't remember the exact score but I can tell you he got no more than 2 games in each set. This was like 2007. The guy wasn't 300 pounds but wasn't exactly etched in stone. Had a huge serve but could only get it in on the deuce side. He'd hit 4 aces in a game and lose the game. This was when I had only a slice backhand but ran like the wind.lol I think anything is possible but I'd like to see something like that(300 pound guy) kicking ass at 4.5. I just don't see it around here or in atl. I'm sure they are playing first strike tennis and hammering first serves as to get as many free points as possible. if it works...what can ya say?
 

QuadCam

Professional
Don't underestimate how out of shape you can be and still be really good at doubles. I can easily see a 250+ lb player doing well at 4.5. Doubles does not involve that much running. Just some footwork and good shot making.
With a good moving partner who can cover lobs, it's easily achievable if the heavy player is an underacheiver due to their weight. What I mean is that the heavy player may have 4.5 or 5.0 shots but is out of shape and slower now......and the weight/shape factor brings their overall play down to a 4.0 level. But a great serve, ground strokes and net play go a long way in doubles!
 

tennisjon

Professional
I'm 5.0. 6'1 250. I can move quite well, but for sure I am better when I weigh less. I have a large frame to begin with so even in college I was around 200lbs. Most people think I am like 220 since I don't have a big gut. If you have footwork and muscle, being 250 doesn't make you slow, it just makes you less fast. Now, for sure, I won't be a good counter-puncher at this weight, but I can certainly keep up with one.
 

RogerShrederer

New User
I'm 5.0. 6'1 250. I can move quite well, but for sure I am better when I weigh less. I have a large frame to begin with so even in college I was around 200lbs. Most people think I am like 220 since I don't have a big gut. If you have footwork and muscle, being 250 doesn't make you slow, it just makes you less fast. Now, for sure, I won't be a good counter-puncher at this weight, but I can certainly keep up with one.
Im down to 255 from 280 about 6 months ago. I also have a big frame and people dont believe me when I tell them how heavy I am. I am very agile and quick for my weight but cant wait to get down to 220ish. I dont mind playing at this weight but my shins (shin splints) and feet (plantar fasciitis) would certainly love a break.
 

AJR1316

New User
Here you go Startzel, here is a highlight video from last years local masters tournament (7.0 division), my partner is around 6'0 and was also 300+, he is a strong 4.0 at that size ..so his play is more impressive than mine. I win most of my matches from placement and I usually have a strong lefty slice serve going to the ad side.

If I am reading this correctly you are bragging about and posting a video of an 8.0 team playing down and winning against a 7.0 team? I know it is a highlight video, but the disparity in levels was pretty obvious. Surprised no one protested that.
 
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Deleted member 23235

Guest
You would have to have a lot of muscle to be 6' 250 and not look obese.
I might skew the curve... but all the 6'+ folks i hang out with all lift weights to some degree.
and yeah, some of them weigh 250, but they don't look fat/obese.. just strong, with a bit of extra weight
which sucks for me when i get stuck under them in bjj.

imo, at 6' you don't look obese until you're >300
 
I might skew the curve... but all the 6'+ folks i hang out with all lift weights to some degree.
and yeah, some of them weigh 250, but they don't look fat/obese.. just strong, with a bit of extra weight
which sucks for me when i get stuck under them in bjj.

imo, at 6' you don't look obese until you're >300
BJJ = Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
Makes you wonder if those players can play like that with 50-100 lbs of excess weight, how would they play if they managed to get in shape?

Honestly, I don't even know how some people get to be 250lbs or more without being a total pig (from an eating/drinking habits perspective). I am not talking about people with metabolic issues - they I can understand. I'm talking about regular people who can't seem to avoid the bag of chips or fries or biscuits or what have you. I am a big eater and easily maintain 180. My only sacrifice is I drink only diet soda and have 2-3 beers a week, tops.
I hear ya. I am the first to admit I definitely enjoy food and drinks a bit too much, and right now at 205 I can feel the bit of extra weight on court. If I drop even 10 pounds I notice how much better I move on court, and my knees thank me profusely. For every 1 pound of weight dropped it is about 4 pound of impact weight on the knee joint, and for a guy with arthritis that is important for me in term of longevity of play. I really need to get back to the 190 pound range to get my game back in solid 4.0 form. But imagine those folks who have solid strokes and good court IQ, if they dropped the 10, 20, or more pounds. That would be a HUGE increase of ability without doing anything else.
 

wangs78

Hall of Fame
But imagine those folks who have solid strokes and good court IQ, if they dropped the 10, 20, or more pounds. That would be a HUGE increase of ability without doing anything else.
Yup, agreed. I went from 185 to 175 recently (I’m 6’) and the weight loss (plus some conditioning) really helped me move much faster on the court where it became very hard for my 3.5-4.0 opponents to hit through me and much easier for me to get to balls with time to hit an offensive shot. I would like to get back to 185 by adding muscle but that would require some time in the gym which I’d much prefer spending on the court...lol. But yeah, if you think you are 10lbs overweight, losing it plus some conditioning will have a very noticeable impact on your movement.
 

Keyan

New User
260 here and its awesome being so deceptively fast. After most matches my opponents can't believe how fast I am. Not a 1st ball power guy that goes for winners either. I do a lot of power lifting which helps my conditioning.
 

Fintft

Legend
But his command of the court was phenomenal. He didnt move around a lot because he didnt have too. His shot anticipation was great and he kept himself in position to not have to move much to get the returns.... It was pretty awesome.
Saw someone like that on a public court a couple of years ago and I was mesmerized...
 

Fintft

Legend
220 LBs/100 kgs at 6'2" and it's too much on a tennis court, especially during the long indoor season, 6 months of hard courts. I end up with either an injury or too much wear and tear from playing singles, just when we are about to go outdoors, in the spring :(

This winter I'm playing on red clay indoors, fingers crossed.
 
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220 LBs/100 kgs at 6'2" and it's too much on a tennis court, especially during the long indoor season, 6 months of hard courts. I end up with either an injury or too much wear and tear from playing singles, just when we are about to go outdoors, in the spring :(

This winter I'm playing on red clay indoors, fingers crossed.
According to @Startzel's analysis of @MathGeek's game, sight unseen, your ailment is due to you not playing "proper tennis".

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/americans-are-obsessed-with-pushers-or-is-it-everyone-else-too.603775/#post-11780615
 

Fintft

Legend

There is of course a grain of truth in that, of course, since technique, proper shot preparation and so forth having a role as well.

But is he going to tell that to Nadal as well?

My point was between playing on hard courts (where one can plant the foot and change directions, all the stress due to inertia being on the joints. The heavier and more aggressively one moves, more inertia btw), as opposed to playing on clay (where one can't change direction abruptly even with the best clay shoes).
 

SavvyStringer

Professional
Currently 6'2" 245lbs. I have been much heavier and recently slightly lighter (down to 238) this summer. I play both singles and doubles . I have a big serve and a solid all court game from both sides. In doubles I serve and volley for the most part because with someone else covering half the court I can rush in and not have to worry about being beaten down the line. In singles I typically stay back unless the guy can't handle a target at the net and starts dumping the ball. I usually serve an volley on ad points in singles to add pressure and end games. Guys get frustrated all the time playing me in singles, especially the skinny movers. I have a hard time during the summer but that isn't due to conditioning so to speak. It's more the fact that I'm the sweatiest guy in America and will lose 5 pounds in a 1.5 hour dubs match and like 10 in a 2 hour singles match. I just run out of fluid during summer singles. Early spring and fall when the temps go down, I can go for days because I'm not losing massive amounts of fluid. I go to the gym between 4-6 days a week and lift and do at least 15 mins of cardio each visit. Granted I'm still young at 26 and my movement may eventually fail me, but for now I can compete and frustrate at my size at 3.5-4.0. (thats also only playing once a week this year because I have an 11 month old and my wife won't let me out to play)
 

tenisdecente

Hall of Fame
I wonder about the age of most overweight people here since it is not the same to be @ 250 pounds at 26 compared to 250 pounds at 40, if you know what I mean

@profosho maybe I will be in Florida next year. I will drop you a message to play some tennis :D
 

moon shot

Hall of Fame
Isner is listed at 238lbs, wonder what he is now.

Let’s just say I’m Big John, just minus 7 inches plus 14lbs.

Oh, and Chris Guccione is supposedly 6’7” 202lbs o_O

 
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