27 year old peak Nadal vs 32 year old injured Federer

Would the H2H be even if Nadal could go deep on hardcourts in Fed's prime?

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Omega_7000

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A 32 year old injured Federer in the worst form of his career almost took out peak injury free 27 year old Nadal in the best form of his career.

That says a lot! I never imagined peak Nadal playing at his absolute best would have so much trouble dismissing an old semi-retired injured Federer. :lol:

The H2H would've been even if Nadal was good enough to go deep on hardcourts in Fed's prime.
 
Fed played a great match. No sign of injury, and he was painting the lines for the first two sets. Age and injury were not an excuse, as Fed could probably have beaten Murray and Djokovic today.

Nadal is simply a better player. It's killing Federer fans, but it's time to accept reality.
 
octogon said:
Fed played a great match. No sign of injury, and he was painting the lines for the first two sets. Age and injury were not an excuse, as Fed could probably have beaten Murray and Djokovic today.

Nadal is simply a better player. It's killing Federer fans, but it's time to accept reality.
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He was painting the lines because he could not run down any shots. He was moving slower and his serve went down dramatically esp in the third set...

Obviously peak Nadal is better than 32 year old Fed.
 
This isn't peak rafa. Peak rafa doesn't lose in the first round of wimbledon. He's undefeated on hard this far but he hasn't won a hard court slam yet. Lets see what he does at flushing. Peak rafa Australian open 2009 and 2010 flushing probably destroys this rafa on hards as well
 
90's Clay said:
This isn't peak rafa. Peak rafa doesn't lose in the first round of wimbledon. He's undefeated on hard this far but he hasn't won a hard court slam yet. Lets see what he does at flushing. Peak rafa Australian open 2009 and 2010 flushing probably destroys this rafa on hards as well
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LOOOOL.....Yeah right. His shots have more penetration and his serve is better than ever. All the experts saying he is playing the best he has ever on hardcourts obviously don't know as much as you. :oops:
 
octogon said:
Fed played a great match. No sign of injury, and he was painting the lines for the first two sets.
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He played a decent match, Fed painting the lines is a common occurrence when he's in solid form.

octogon said:
Age and injury were not an excuse, as Fed could probably have beaten Murray and Djokovic today.
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Actually we don't know how he would have fared against Murray and Novak today, when he beat them in Cincy he was in much, much better form than he is now.

Also, age/mileage certainly played a part in why Fed lost the match, shame they didn't meet in Cincy before but Nadal always had good timing.

octogon said:
Nadal is simply a better player. It's killing Federer fans, but it's time to accept reality.
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No, reality is that it's debatable who's better overall.

Not all tennis fans put as much stock into H2H, Olympics and Monte Carlo, that's what killing Nadal fans judging by their need to gloat so much after Nadal beating a supposedly inferior player.
 
90's Clay said:
Fed isn't getting cortisone shots for his back like Agassi is he ?
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Fed does not advertise his injuries in detail like Agassi either.

Fed did not go AWOL for years to recuperate like Agassi...I like Agassi but he has a completely different career path than Fed...no comparison.
 
Omega_7000 said:
He was painting the lines because he could not run down any shots. He was moving slower and his serve went down dramatically esp in the third set...

Obviously peak Nadal is better than 32 year old Fed.
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This is not peak Nadal. Statistically, he's struggled on clay courts this year (in terns of games and sets losts) compared to other years. He just manages to win because he's got so much willpower and is such a great competitor.

He's getting knocked out first round at wimbledon. Again, another sign that he's well past his peak.

He's winning stuff past his peak. You know, just like Federer did. Nadal hasn't been at peak level for 2-3 years. But his best right now is still good enough to beat anyone.
 
Come on. At least wait to see what nadal does a flushing before u label this the best hard court season for him hahah. What I've see. From rafa from his return is nothing short of great but he was on another level the years he won the hardcourt slams and serving 130 mph bombs and beating peak verdasco and prime fed in Australia
 
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Omega_7000 said:
When was the last time Nadal did not lose a single hardcourt match the entire season?? Yeah. Thought so.
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As Federer fans like to point out, Nadal has skipped hardcourt tournaments to preserve himself. Who is to say he'd still be unbeaten if he played Miami.

And Nadal is beatable at the moment. Rookie Dmitrov and Old Man Federer are stretching him to 3 sets. He's not exactly killing the iopposition. He's squeaking through on compeitive willpower this year, not demoloshing the opposition.
 
While rafa is playing pretty good, i don't think he's playing peak level, he was better years ago. Lets not go to the low heights some people on this board frequent.
 
90's Clay said:
Come on. At least wait to see what nadal does a flushing before u label this the best hard court season for him hahah. What I've see. From rafa from his return is nothing short of great but he was on another level the years he won the hardcourt slams and serving 130 mph bombs and beating peak verdasco and prime fed in Australia
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He beat Djokovic on his favorite surface just a couple of weeks back....Demolished Raonic like he was some 3.0 player...He's serving lights out and hitting forehands flatter than ever before on his worst surface...All the experts agree that he has never played at a higher level in his career on hard courts....and you're telling me this is still not enough to convince you?
 
Omega_7000 said:
Not to mention the obvious match-up advantage Nadal has over Fed in addition to all this.
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I think this year's HC has shown that Nadal actually makes tactics changes to win against opponents, while Fed only plays one style.

Granted Fed made changes for Nadal tonight, but it's a little late for Fed to make changes.
 
bullfan said:
I think this year's HC has shown that Nadal actually makes tactics changes to win against opponents, while Fed only plays one style.

Granted Fed made changes for Nadal tonight, but it's a little late for Fed to make changes.
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Are you kidding me...Fed is great at making changes against opponents...even during the match he makes several adjustments...take his match vs Murray at wimb last year for example.

he can't against Nadal because he just cannot handle his forehand to his backhand...He cannot hit slices...All his weaknesses are exaggerated against him.
 
octogon said:
Fed played a great match. No sign of injury, and he was painting the lines for the first two sets.
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For someone who is claimed to be the most injured player on tour with broken knees , I have yet to see Nadal show *any* sign of injury on court in all these years :lol:
 
LMAO even with a MASSIVE matchup advantage of abusing the Fed 1HBH, Fed nearing extinction and Ralph in peak form, he still almost lost and Fed still had more winners than the disgusting moonballer in the entire match. This is why Fed will ALWAYS be the GOAT and this is why Ralph will never truly be able to say he's better than Fed because he knows deep down that he can simply moonball Fed's BH to win. The Fed haters know this all too well too!

When in trouble, moonball to the Fed BH to neutralise the point. LMAO WAY TOO EASY! All time great my foot!
 
Far too much pointless bickering going on in here.

Last night was a great match, about as good a three setter as you could ever hope to see in a place like Cincy. Federer almost won but didn't; Nadal got it done.

More acknowledgment of the match needed, and far less oneupmanship.
 
ScottleeSV said:
Far too much pointless bickering going on in here.

Last night was a great match, about as good a three setter as you could ever hope to see in a place like Cincy. Federer almost won but didn't; Nadal got it done.

More acknowledgment of the match needed, and far less oneupmanship.
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There's no acknowledgement required when a supposed tier 1 great has such a HUGE matchup advantage over a GOAT. Fed has been fending Ralph off his 1HBH since 04 and nothing has changed,sometimes he was successfull in fending him. 10/31 times to be exact.

The way Novak smashed ****** to smithreens in 2011 is all I need to know about Ralph's true caliber as a player when he can't moonball the sh1t out of his opponent.
 
monfed said:
LMAO even with a MASSIVE matchup advantage of abusing the Fed 1HBH, Fed nearing extinction and Ralph in peak form, he still almost lost and Fed still had more winners than the disgusting moonballer in the entire match. This is why Fed will ALWAYS be the GOAT and this is why Ralph will never truly be able to say he's better than Fed because he knows deep down that he can simply moonball Fed's BH to win. The Fed haters know this all too well too!

When in trouble, moonball to the Fed BH to neutralise the point. LMAO WAY TOO EASY! All time great my foot!
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If it's so easy why couldn't Hewitt, Roddick, old Agassi, Ferrero etc do it?

Fed had more winners, but he also had way more unforced errors.

Also, just a reminder that Agassi was all but extinct and yet almost beat PEAK Federer at the US Open :lol:

You're such a bad troll, don't know why I just fed you, but yeah :grin:
 
veroniquem said:
Nadal was an early bloomer, much more precocious than Fed. That means his 27 years = Fed's 30+
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Doesn't always work out that way. Every player is different. Plus Fed's played slam after slam, never missing one for 10+ years now...while Nadal has skipped plenty.
 
The_Order said:
If it's so easy why couldn't Hewitt, Roddick, old Agassi, Ferrero etc do it?

Fed had more winners, but he also had way more unforced errors.

Also, just a reminder that Agassi was all but extinct and yet almost beat PEAK Federer at the US Open :lol:

You're such a bad troll, don't know why I just fed you, but yeah :grin:
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The bolded don't moonball. Wow some serious straw clutching going on here. :lol:

Yes having a smaller UE count than more winners is the way to win on fast HC apparently,very creditable.

Agassi was AWOL for a huge chunk of Pete's career in the 90s so lots of mileage and fuel left in the tank plus AA isn't as reliant on movement as Fed, rather is the cleanest ballstriker in history. Chalk n cheese comparison.
But then again you're just posting absurdities in an attempt to rebuke the MASSIVE matchup advantage that Ralph enjoys. Sorry Ralph has the matchup advantage and nothing you say is ever gonna change that. Live with it,your boy only wins coz he can moonball Fed's 1HBH, no tennis skills as such. Truth hurts.

Don't know why I responded to a well known rank troll like you who engages in straw clutching of endless paras(thanks for keeping it short this time).
 
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Imagine if Peak Fed(04-06) had played Ralph today. Even with a matchup disadvantage, he would've taken ****** to the cleaners.
 
monfed , probably yes.

peak federer even with the bad match-up would be capable to beat nadal today.....

this year the cincinatti`s courts were slowed , this was said for the commetadors in the stosur match and THE SAME RAFA SAID THAT THE COURTS WERE MORE SLOWER.

and roger was very very close to the victory , peak fed with the more faster courts of 2003-2007 would beat rafa for sure
 
As if Nadal played his best today lol.

Peak Fed had his chance against Nadal in Dubai on a fast HC and got beat :lol:
 
monfed said:
The bolded don't moonball. Wow some serious straw clutching going on here. :lol:

Yes having a smaller UE count than more winners is the way to win on fast HC apparently,very creditable.

Agassi was AWOL for a huge chunk of Pete's career in the 90s so lots of mileage and fuel left in the tank plus AA isn't as reliant on movement as Fed, rather is the cleanest ballstriker in history. Chalk n cheese comparison.
But then again you're just posting absurdities in an attempt to rebuke the MASSIVE matchup advantage that Ralph enjoys. Sorry Ralph has the matchup advantage and nothing you say is ever gonna change that. Live with it,your boy only wins coz he can moonball Fed's 1HBH, no tennis skills as such. Truth hurts.

Don't know why I responded to a well known rank troll like you who engages in straw clutching of endless paras(thanks for keeping it short this time).
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Excuses, excuses. Keep 'em coming hahaha.

Your defence of the weak era opponents is consistent with your bad posts.

10/31 :lol:
 
rodrigo_palacio88 said:
monfed , probably yes.

peak federer even with the bad match-up would be capable to beat nadal today.....

this year the cincinatti`s courts were slowed , this was said for the commetadors in the stosur match and THE SAME RAFA SAID THAT THE COURTS WERE MORE SLOWER.

and roger was very very close to the victory , peak fed with the more faster courts of 2003-2007 would beat rafa for sure
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Yup pretty much.
 
The_Order said:
As if Nadal played his best today lol.

Peak Fed had his chance against Nadal in Dubai on a fast HC and got beat :lol:
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one match didn`t say nothing.

federer beat nadal in clay a few times , and that means than federer is better or something like that????

plus than cincinatti`s courts in times of fed`s peak were even more faster than dubai.

weak eras opponents or that kind of ********s are subjectives and without any sense , this era is weak too , only 3 or 4 guys wiinning all or playing the semis or finals all the time.

the rest of the field is very bad , ferrer was nº3 in the world and ferrer is a nº3 with less important archivements than others ex-nº3 of fed`s times like davydenko , coria or nalbandian.

and he was nº3 with 31 years old!!! so , where is the strong field now???

a 35 years old haas and fulll of physicall problems in the nº11 and beat this year the nº1 in his best surfaces in miami , even a semiretired blake beated this week the nº14 and semifinalist of wimbledon.

strong or weak era is not only top-3 or 4 , it`s all.

in this time we have a very strong top-3 or 4 , but the rest of the field , the top-10 is very poor.

players like roddick , safin , hewitt , blake , nalbandian , coria and others were much betters than the ferrers , raonic , berdych and others.
 
Omega_7000 said:
LOOOOL.....Yeah right. His shots have more penetration and his serve is better than ever. All the experts saying he is playing the best he has ever on hardcourts obviously don't know as much as you. :oops:
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LOL seems like someone really cares about the opinions of those "experts" LMFAO
 
Encouraged

I was actually encouraged by Federers form. It is clear from the match that it could have gone either way. The break game against Federer in the second set went past deuce, in other words Federer was unlucky not to hold. And the final game in the last set Federer was close to breaking Nadal, to get back on serve. Nadal certainly deserved the win....but you can't think that it was anything other than a close call.

Regardless of you opinion, Federer could personally be encouraged by pushing this years form player so hard. It is Federers first tournament back after injury...he should get better for the US open. If he was 10% better today he would have beaten Nadal.
 
The_Order said:
As if Nadal played his best today lol.

Peak Fed had his chance against Nadal in Dubai on a fast HC and got beat :lol:
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He also beat him in back to back years at the YEC. Federer and Nadal have met 2/3's of the time on slower courts which favour Rafa in the matchup. It's a fact. Shallow the pill and stop being an obnoxious a.s.s if you're capable of it.

Would the h2h be even if they met equal times on fast and slow courts? No, Nadal would still lead due to his clay dominance. But he wouldn't lead on hardcourts.
 
Peaks or not, it was a great match. Fed played the best he has all year, and fought until the end. It was really a toss up, although Nadal did seem to slightly increase his level of play as the match progressed.

Fed had a lull in concentration at the end of the second, and the start of the third set, which cost him the match. It's definitely a sign of age, but at least he played well, and almost got the break back, saving multiple match points, with great shots in the final game.

This is bonus time for Fed and every tennis fan. Everyone, whether you love or hate Fed, should savour matches like this one. As it stands, the next crop of players just can't play at the same level of Fed/Nadal, and Djokovic and Murray don't see to provide the same level of excitement.

Enjoy it while you can!
 
rodrigo_palacio88 said:
monfed , probably yes.

peak federer even with the bad match-up would be capable to beat nadal today.....

this year the cincinatti`s courts were slowed , this was said for the commetadors in the stosur match and THE SAME RAFA SAID THAT THE COURTS WERE MORE SLOWER.

and roger was very very close to the victory , peak fed with the more faster courts of 2003-2007 would beat rafa for sure
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True and this is coming straight from Nadal's mouth...There is no way his fangirls can deny this. :D
 
90's Clay said:
Come on. At least wait to see what nadal does a flushing before u label this the best hard court season for him hahah. What I've see. From rafa from his return is nothing short of great but he was on another level the years he won the hardcourt slams and serving 130 mph bombs and beating peak verdasco and prime fed in Australia
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Peak Verdasco my arse! Tell me honestly. Would Verdasco have taken Fed to 5 sets had they played each other at AO '09? No. I'll tell you why. It's all about match-ups. Nadal's moonballs don't go to Verdasco's backhand...They go to his strength, his forehand.

He is another example of neutralizing Nadal's moonballs just like Djokovic and maybe Murray....Although Murray is another Nadal fangirl so can't expect anything from him.
 
Oh another hypothetical question to make yourself feel better? There are way more meaningful things in life you can do to make yourself happy.
 
Omega_7000 said:
Peak Verdasco my arse! Tell me honestly. Would Verdasco have taken Fed to 5 sets had they played each other at AO '09? No. I'll tell you why. It's all about match-ups. Nadal's moonballs don't go to Verdasco's backhand...They go to his strength, his forehand.

He is another example of neutralizing Nadal's moonballs just like Djokovic and maybe Murray....Although Murray is another Nadal fangirl so can't expect anything from him.
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but that's where your logic breaks down. if its indeed ONLY a matchup issue -- and nothing about nadal being a great player -- then somebody playing similar style to nadal like verdasco, should do well against federer. i.e. a lefty who produces lots of topspin and has a double handed backhand. however, federer absolutely chomps on verdasco. as he has with every other lefty he has ever faced, on every surface.

this suggests that it isn't just about the matchup (which i agree is actually in nadal's favor), but also about nadal. his movement, his power, his control. please don't discount all that.
 
It was a good match, predictable, nadal was far from playing his best and so was roger

Nothing more in that match than someone at 32 struggling to be number 5 playing against someone thats 27 and closing on number 1

Good tennis but far from impressive and far from the roger06 and roger07 or nadalgodmode he sometimes shows
 
This is a weak era when Nadal can win so many consecutive matches on hc..
 
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Omega_7000 said:
LOOOOL.....Yeah right. His shots have more penetration and his serve is better than ever. All the experts saying he is playing the best he has ever on hardcourts obviously don't know as much as you. :oops:
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:lol:

if the 'expert' you're referring to is Patrick McEnroe, who essentially sets the template for an insecure fedephant in broadcasting, then you're correct.

However, in reality any rational person realizes Nadal's 2010 USO form is far and away superior to the current Nadal!

recognize!
 
As a Federer fan I find the OP slightly sycophantic. In what parallel reality is this Nadal injury-free and in peak form? His knees are at the end of their lease term and he's nowhere near as springy as he was in 2008.

I don't think Federer needs any excuses for a loss against Nadal, nor can I see any scoreline as an opportunity to be snidey about Nadal.

Don't you understand that the stature of Nadal enhances everything Federer has achieved? And vice-versa. Any attempt to belittle one is a direct mark against the other.
 
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