28 inch 16x19 pattern raquets???

HeadClassic

New User
Any racquets out there with these specs? I am aware of the SW 104, but I use a grip 5 and it is not made in that size. I am currently using a Head Tour Xtra Long but it is 18x20 and need a little more spin.
 

bleno567

Semi-Pro
I'm a fellow 28" user (POG LB). I found that there's no offerings currently on the market, so you're going to have to pick some lower swingweight retail frame and send it away for customization at one of the places where pros get theirs' done. It can be done for under $50 a frame.

You can go the xtp route, but my results with that have been mixed. The sidewall of the buttcap is thick, so you need to build up the grip where the buttcap stops so you don't have an inconsistently sized handle. This adds weight and makes the racquet a little squishier than I like.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
@HeadClassic,

Go to the big auction site and grab some Michael Chang Longbodies. The OS (107") Michael Chang Longbody (graphite) is 28" and is 11.2oz with synthetic grip and one overgrip. It is 16x19. The Michael Chang Midplus (95") 28" longbody graphite is a 14 x 18 and with syn grip and OG weighs 11.5oz. The Michael Chang Ti Midplus is 28" long, 95" 14 x 18 and weighs about 11.6oz with syn grip and OG. Prince Precision 690 Longbody is 28" 95" 16x20 and weighs 11.7 with syn grip and OG. The 97" Prince Precision 730 Longbody is a 14 x 18 that weighs about 11.7oz.

I tried to like the XTP butt caps but gave up. They just felt too weird. I even ground them down to make them thinner and that didn't work either. I still have one on a Spectrum Comp 90 but it is for conversation not playing.

Go to the big auction site and type in "long body racket" and "longbody racket." There are many nice older models from a number of brands and models from back in the longbody heyday which seem to the mid 90's. I have not had one grommet issue from the aforementioned Prince rackets. I currently have 9 Prince Longbody rackets from the 90s and had at one time 12 Prince Classic Graphite Lonbbody 100" 16x18, but gave them away to a college player who was enamored with them. My "holy grail" long body Prince is the Michael Chang OS Ti Longbody. But I am not paying what they are asking on the big auction site for one. My favorite long body Prince to date is the 95" Michael Chang Ti Longbody. It plays stiffer with more control than its 100% graphite counterpart. The Precision 730 and 690 play even stiffer than the Ti for me.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Why don't you just get many of the Plus frames out there like the Yonex and Babolat models or the Prince Beast Longbody, take them for a spin and if you feel the need for more length you can extend them that extra half inch easily.

I personally think getting 28" with an open string pattern will buy you more spin but there will be a cost of control.
 

bleno567

Semi-Pro
I my experiences, the long frame with an 16x18 does result in a loss of control, but certain condensed 16x19 or 16x20s are just perfrect.

Why don't you just get many of the Plus frames out there like the Yonex and Babolat models or the Prince Beast Longbody, take them for a spin and if you feel the need for more length you can extend them that extra half inch easily.

I personally think getting 28" with an open string pattern will buy you more spin but there will be a cost of control.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
I personally think getting 28" with an open string pattern will buy you more spin but there will be a cost of control.
Intuitively that may seem the case, but isn't control just by mere degrees and mostly due to the hitter's skill set, power, efficiency, visual acuity, etc. A 20-something player who was a product of junior development program in their home country told me the other day that they can play with any racket, but prefer certain types of rackets.

The feeling of control is different for the 3.5 player vs UTR 14. When I hit well but with plenty of margin I call that control, whereas some high level college player might call painting the lines control.

I think @Dartagnan64 may well be right for many players but I think one should just dive in and get a couple of used 28" rackets to test and if 28" is too long that is why the hacksaw was made wasn't it? CAUTION: If you start cutting a 28" racket I recommend quit cutting at 27.25", or else what is the point of having a longbody. So says the guy who has a PCG 100LB that is only 26.5". I just kept cutting, reinstalling the buttcap, play a couple of days and so on. Then one day came and I said to myself, "what the heck are you doing?" At least that longbody turned shortbody is good for feeding balls to kids.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
The feeling of control is different for the 3.5 player vs UTR 14. When I hit well but with plenty of margin I call that control, whereas some high level college player might call painting the lines control.
I think people will accept different levels of control as adequate but the definition doesn't change no matter your UTR. Control is the ability to put the ball where you intend to and nothing more than that. The longer the racquet, the more open the string bed, the more variability you introduce into the control equation. You can overcome that loss of racquet control but hitting to larger targets and adding more topspin, which is what many people do. But that doesn't change the fact that a longer racquet with open string patter has a built in lack of precision.

Admittedly some people don't need control and prefer the added power and spin this sort of frame offers and just hit hard groundies to large targets. Tennis can be played many ways and while I prefer a true control frame (27" 18x20 sub 100 sq in frame) for my game, that's only because I like to move the ball into tighter windows with precision in my doubles game.
 
Any racquets out there with these specs? I am aware of the SW 104, but I use a grip 5 and it is not made in that size. I am currently using a Head Tour Xtra Long but it is 18x20 and need a little more spin.
If the extra weight isn't a problem, you can build up the grip on an SW104. I use OHBH and used two heat shrink sleeves on the bottom 5 1/2 inches to make a grip closer to a size 6. It adds about 20 grams to the handle.
 

bleno567

Semi-Pro
4-string gave a solution in post 2 - You can choose a 28" 16x19 (and all your others specs) on the angell tennis website. They are the best quality rackets on the market
Angells are great racquets. One thing I will say is that I live in PA, and I've purchased 3 Angell racquets before in the past (all 28"), and they run about $230 each shipped. That cost is getting up there (and even more expensive than) with just buying a stock retail frame and having the customization done somewhere like Bosworth.
 

2ndServe

Hall of Fame
do you guys find 28" rackets to have a lot of instability? leverage is further away and I find recoil to be very high on a 28" racket, makes it feel like dwell time is less
 
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jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Relative to a 27" the frames need to be slightly stiffer to provide the same perception of the amount of flex, particularly in the shaft.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
I have no clue as to other brands of 28" rackets but I have had about 2 dozen Prince 28" rackets. If you want to dabble and see if it works for you find a Prince Michael Chang 95" Titanium Longbody in your grip size. At this time that racket is my "gold standard" in 28" rackets. Second would be a Prince Precision 690 Longbody. But if I was throwing money around willy nilly I would order a 95" Angel 28" in 63RA, 310g/315mm (9HL) and then add lead and/or cut length with a hacksaw. I do have a curiosity for this item number on the big auction site:

264337284662
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Forget that auction site number I just ordered it. Couldn't pass up a 19mm beam 28" 98" 16x19 HL with 336 SW 4pts HL at 10.8oz. No crossbar though:(
 

HeadClassic

New User
Thank you for the feedback everyone. I had no idea Angell customized 28" rackets. That's great! As for Babolat and Yonex, I have not fared well with the stiffness of those frames. I used the Pure Drive Roddick+ for years and liked it, but it eventually took it's toll on my arm and shoulder. The Yonex DR 98+ just did not generate any spin for my game. But when I found 28" frames I fell in love with the ease of serving, and the extra length on my 2-handed backhand. Specifically I have been using older Head rackets because they're so easy to customize and change grip size. Especially when you buy from the big auction site. At this point if I want a 28" 16x19 pattern with an awesome RA of 63, Angell is looking like the best option. Also, I had no idea you could send out standard length rackets to get extended. My understanding was that you could always shorten a racket but not lengthen one. I have read the posts here on talk tennis about lengthening, but many have had their handles fall off after the attempt, and no method seemed solid enough for me to want to try.
 
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