r2473
G.O.A.T.
Why do they want gambling? I see their incentive to have it stopped
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Insane. In the membrane.
Yoneyama
Hall of Fame
Can't be Carballes or Munar as both are drawn in the Australian Open, so obviously they aren't arrested... I'd say it's a qualy draw entrant.
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
I know there are about 1500-2000 guys with an official ATP ranking. Where do these "Challenger" and "Futures" players fit in? Are they pretty much out of the ATP 2000 and playing their own tournaments (Challengers and Futures) while the ~1500 play the ATP tournaments?
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
"The I.T.F., one of the seven governing bodies in professional tennis, organizes the Pro Circuit with hundreds of tournaments for juniors and professionals on five continents, many contested by players with little or no hope of ever earning a living at tennis. The I.T.F. aims to eliminate roughly 90 percent of the players from those ranks, or about 12,000 men and women."
I assume it's these Pro Circuit events. And the ITF wants to get rid of about 90% of these "pros."
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/sports/tennis/ncaa-tournament-itf-transition-tour.html
Raul_SJ
G.O.A.T.
That makes sense. It has been said that only players in the ATP top ~100 make a profit. Don't see the point of all those other tournaments.
IMO, a "Tennis Professional" is someone who makes a living at Tennis. So basically someone in the ATP 100. Or, at the very least in the ATP 1500.
Don't see the point of all these governing bodies. Just let a single organization like the ATP run tournaments around the world with those ~1000-1500 players. And make sure all those ~1500 players in those tournaments receive wages that at least cover their hotel expenses.
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Deleted member 688153
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For anyone poking at Nadal over this, top players rarely match fix as they stand to make more money by winning their matches than losing them for a bribe. Highly doubt he would ever do this.
Match fixing is largely caused by the lower-ranked players not earning enough to make ends meet from winning, so they turn to fixing instead. In other words the lower ranked players need to be payed more.
Match fixing is largely caused by the lower-ranked players not earning enough to make ends meet from winning, so they turn to fixing instead. In other words the lower ranked players need to be payed more.
Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
The ATP/ITF actually do allow it. In fact for the Australian tournaments like Brisbane and Melbourne, gambling companies are some of the largest sponsors.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/tennis-gambling-problem-match-fixing-claims/story?id=36470577
Murray, as usual, makes a salient point.
"While addressing match-fixing at a post-match press conference, ATP No. 2 Andy Murray suggested that it was "hypocritical" for tournaments to take on betting companies as sponsors, given that players are forbidden to accept endorsement deals with the same agencies."
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Surely Federer needs to get arrested for losing to Anderson from 2 sets to love and match point up at Wimbledon of all places, Rafa needs to be arrested for the Wimbledon debacles of 2012, 2013, 2014 and 2015 and Djoker needs to be arrested for the incident at Wimby 2016
The All England Club has some explaining to do
The All England Club has some explaining to do
el sergento
Hall of Fame
r2473
G.O.A.T.
I mean, that it’s not ITF / ATP decision. They don’t have the authority to ban gambling on tennis. And I’m saying that, if they had the authority, they’d surely ban it at the level where matches are being fixed. But they can’t.
Deon Sanders
Legend
Yeah they have zero ability to stop it
Its only going to get worse now that the United States Supreme Court has essentially made sports betting legal in the whole United States and a ton of states are putting it into place as we speak and soon almost all of them will allow it
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
ATP makes money selling match data to SportRadar. One of the three player reps on the ATP Board works at SportRadar.
“According to Lewis, many of the problems dated back to the International Tennis Federation’s decision in 2012 to sign a $70m deal with the data company Sportradar to distribute live scores from small and intermediate tournaments around the globe. It meant bookmakers could provide odds on those matches, particularly on the lucrative in-play market – and unscrupulous gamblers had a prime opportunity which they could exploit.”
“The report noted: “The panel has seen little empirical evidence that betting was widespread on the lowest levels of ITF tournaments before the deal in 2012. But in 2013, the year after the first ITF-Sportradar contract, 40,000 matches at ITF Men’s Futures and Women’s 15k and 25k events were made available to the betting market. By 2016 that number had increased to over 60,000.””
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...oblem-betting-match-fixing-independent-review
I understand after this report the ATP banned sponsorships by betting companies at the ATP and challenger tournaments.
If you want to read the report:
http://tennisirp.com/
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Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
They could at the very least prohibit the use of any trade-marked brands, which is usually enough to stymy the promotion of betting.
In any event, I still don't see any evidence for your thesis that they would ban gambling if they could.
In any event, I still don't see any evidence for your thesis that they would ban gambling if they could.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
This relates to a 2011 incident but Bracciali lost in R1 2018 USO doubles (with Cecchinato) to the eventual Champions Bryan/Sock, 16 16. In November, 2018 Bracciali received a life-time ban for match fixing.
(Potato Starch got a 10 year ban for an incident at the same event but he retired a few years ago.)
Only took about 7-1/2 yrs to nail them.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/46296159
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I wouldn't be surprised. Saying that the richest players don't have reasons to accept bribes is ignorant. Djoker's been approached before too. Even though top players have their opportunities clear, it's easier for a better player to throw a match and walk away with cash than for a weaker one. I'd say, the more you make, the more you want
My thought as well. Not only that but publicly advertising the betting sites around sports events is just inviting troubles. Seems as if sports needed to make extra cash from such companies. We're living in a dangerous world where money is becoming such a necessity.
Subway Tennis
Legend
You're slightly too quick to troll again. The spanish police are the ones making the arrests. The players and tennis industry points of contact haven't been named. We only know the nationality of a portion of the organised crime contacts.
It could be any number of players based in Spain of any nationality, including Spanish players. Spain is a mecca for tennis training, development institutions and tournament play and attracts players from around the world for obvious reasons (plenty of tourneys, proven development track record etc. etc.)
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
I will bet you anything, that there were and still is many many more fixed matched that wasn't caught and went unnoticed. It is very tough to catch in reality, and many players actually get away with it. Putting more money into challenger events so those guys can also make a decent living will help
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
These players appear to have been accused of match fixing are not the biggest problem. The betting on sports like tennis is! I think tennis only loses if they dont forbid these bettings. Only on horses if you like to bet, please.
r2473
G.O.A.T.
Thanks. I was dead wrong on this it seems.ATP makes money selling match data to SportRadar. One of the three player reps on the ATP Board works at SportRadar.
“According to Lewis, many of the problems dated back to the International Tennis Federation’s decision in 2012 to sign a $70m deal with the data company Sportradar to distribute live scores from small and intermediate tournaments around the globe. It meant bookmakers could provide odds on those matches, particularly on the lucrative in-play market – and unscrupulous gamblers had a prime opportunity which they could exploit.”
“The report noted: “The panel has seen little empirical evidence that betting was widespread on the lowest levels of ITF tournaments before the deal in 2012. But in 2013, the year after the first ITF-Sportradar contract, 40,000 matches at ITF Men’s Futures and Women’s 15k and 25k events were made available to the betting market. By 2016 that number had increased to over 60,000.””
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...oblem-betting-match-fixing-independent-review
I understand after this report the ATP banned sponsorships by betting companies at the ATP and challenger tournaments.
If you want to read the report:
http://tennisirp.com/
From what I can tell from what you posted, the ITF created the situation themselves. They had to know max fixing would happen (on a large scale) at these lower level tournaments.
One side of me hopes this blows up big on them. But on the other side, though that would "teach the ITF a lesson", it would also cost the tennis players. 99.99% of which, aren't fixing matches and never will.
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Jail them for life. Won't happen again, I promise
Terenigma
G.O.A.T.
Why do we get news stories like this and not facts that people can look into and research properly? I get that we keep names out of the public for "investigation" purposes but then why have the news story at all? If these people have been formally arrested then I want to know what matches, what players and i want it exposed to the public. Keeping this secret will make people do it again because it's contained behind red tape. If you exposed it to the public and media then that will absolutely make people question doing it again because it's a death sentence for your public image and it will scare others from doing it too.
SeeingDusk
Hall of Fame
Explains why I keep losing bets in the most bizarre and most coincidental ways possible.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
The Inter-Prison Tennis Cup will make for excellent betting. The American Inter-Prison Debating Cup looks like its recruiting new members.
Jail them for life. Won't happen again, I promise
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Chadalina
Guest
What law are they breaking?
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
It's some sort of fraud, speaking generally, as members of the public are losing money on their betting. It has to be a criminal act and not simply a tort, surely?
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Chadalina
Guest
How can you defraud yourself? Tennis players are independant contractors. "Buyer beware" should apply to gambling.
Im just wondering what the actual charges are when/if it goes to court. May have to look into this, all ive heard about is being fined by a sport your no longer able to play, can you recall any jailtime for match fixing?
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Deleted member 716271
Guest
It's definitely illegal
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Deleted member 716271
Guest
You mad bro?
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
The Sports Bribery Act (18 U.S.C. 224), among other Federal laws. There would also be State laws that could be charged.
I’m sure other countries have similar laws.
Fixing sporting events is bad for business:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/betting/las-vegas-bookmakers-know-a-fix-when-they-see-one/
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“The most famous Sports Bribery Act case gained its notoriety because of Ray Liotta’s depiction of its orchestrator, Henry Hill, in Goodfellas.”
https://www.legalsportsreport.com/20813/sports-integrity-in-the-us-history/
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
https://www.theherald.com.au/story/3855865/former-tennis-star-avoids-jail/
This is a problem with the futures events. No money for players + gambling = enhanced risk of match fixing.
This is a problem with the futures events. No money for players + gambling = enhanced risk of match fixing.
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Rattler
Hall of Fame
You’d be surprised.
They bet on outcomes, scores, stats...Tennis is one of the most bet on sports worldwide. Odd that the ITF partnered with an internet betting company...conflict of interest, much?
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
ITF has the agreement with SportRadar. Read what you wrote, buddy.
ATP/WTA makes money selling match data through an exclusive deal with IMG.
“...the only official ATP and WTA event data provider to the gaming industry, IMG said that it ensures revenue raised through the sale of the information can be reinvested in tennis. The company currently works with a number of operators including Betfair, Marathon and SkyBet, having agreed multi-year partnerships in February 2013.”
https://www.gamingintelligence.com/marketing/29977-img-extends-tennis-data-partnerships-until-2020
If you read the tennis integrity report you will see match fixing is definitely an issue and one of the recommendations is not selling match data from the lower rung, non-televised events because it facilitates in-play bets which are rife for fixing.
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
“Gambling on tennis online has grown to such an extent it has now overtaken horse racing and is second only to football,”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/feb/10/sportsradar-data-deal-tennis-online-betting
Pandora Mikado
Semi-Pro
This guy knows what he’s talking about. Gambling wouldn’t exist without sport and sport wouldn’t exist without gambling. But gambling is just the visible part of it. Only idiots and fools believe professional sports happen without systemic corruption.
ron schaap
Hall of Fame
I suspect mostly its very doubtfull, shady folks who are gambling big on tennis , the same kind who try to get tennisplayers into match fixing. So i think this makes it all the more hypocritic.
So it seems those "signatories" are to follow their "independent" agreements which are outlined in their paperwork (somewhere). I wonder whether there's anything about betting on or throwing their own match or not.
There're always all kinds of shady folks everywhere. The whole world's set up by shady folks but that's for another topic. Gambling's established for reasons; in states partly to give the natives something (to shut them up), on the world stage to offer opportunities for others
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