35ft6
Legend
What is the factual evidence you're alluding to in regards to Spacey and Foster. I agree they're gay, but have they come out or something?
How so?
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35ft6
Legend
No, I've never heard anything specifically about Nicole and Tom from anybody, just that, you know, he's gay. I know what you know, that she didn't like Scientology. And that in 10 years or marriage they never had a biological kid.
No, they haven't come out as far as I know, and it's really hard to ever know the truth about such things, which is I have generally put the word "fact" or "proved" in quotes during this discussion. I just don't think either even bothers denying it, for one thing, and neither seems to have been married or had a real relationship as far as I know. I'm not an expert on either of their lives, but since we both know they are gay and would bet tons of money on that "fact", why bother bickering about those two at all? The only person who seems to be in dispute here is Cruise.
First off, let me be clear that I not claiming to be some big shot or a super successful person or anything, because I am not. That being said, I've probably had more one-on-one conversations with oscar winners and Spirit winners and emmy winners and Vanity Fair cover girls just in the last couple of years than you have in your entire life. In fact, just between this morning and now, I happened to pass a multiple-Academy award nominee on my way to the store who was out jogging and would have greeted me with a kiss and hello had I stopped the car to chat with her.
Again, I'm a nobody in the grand scheme of things, but I do know certain people and things that people in Ohio and Canada do not know. You are not the only person on these boards with some 'inside' knowledge about this world.
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35ft6
Legend
The point is not Tom Cruise, I'm asking because I want to know what your standards of "proved" and "facts" are. For instance, you've deemed the stuff I've provided as not being "proof," therefor in your mind Tom being gay will remain within the realm of speculation, whereas Kevin and Foster are gay in your mind. So what kind of proof convinced you of their gayness?
And Tom Cruise being gay is something that's brought up a lot? Ever? I'm not even pretending like the number of stars I come into contact with has anything to do with this. Proximity to celebrities isn't what I'm basing this on. I'm only basing it on conversation about Tom Cruise's sexuality. That only.
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
Not proof that he's gay but... about 1 - 1 1/2 years before Maverick & Nicole
got divorced, a very good friend of mine in the industry told me about the
the pre-arranged legal agreement that they had. Being quite naive
at the time, I demanded proof as this seemed preposterous to me.
He proceeded to spew out all these numbers detailing the agreement,
like how long they would stay together. Actually if I remember correctly,
it wasn't based on length of time, but rather number of films made and
number of films made starring together in. There were a few other details
I can't remember, but anyways, fast forward a couple years, and low and
behold he was right. The numbers checked out. I can't really give a lot
more details w/o giving away the source, but I think this aspect of their
marriage is probably common knowledge in the industry and probably has
even been mentioned in the tabloids at some point.
I've also heard Maverick is extremely focused and professional on set and
gracious to volunteers/crew at awards shows.
got divorced, a very good friend of mine in the industry told me about the
the pre-arranged legal agreement that they had. Being quite naive
at the time, I demanded proof as this seemed preposterous to me.
He proceeded to spew out all these numbers detailing the agreement,
like how long they would stay together. Actually if I remember correctly,
it wasn't based on length of time, but rather number of films made and
number of films made starring together in. There were a few other details
I can't remember, but anyways, fast forward a couple years, and low and
behold he was right. The numbers checked out. I can't really give a lot
more details w/o giving away the source, but I think this aspect of their
marriage is probably common knowledge in the industry and probably has
even been mentioned in the tabloids at some point.
I've also heard Maverick is extremely focused and professional on set and
gracious to volunteers/crew at awards shows.
35ft6
Legend
Hahaha.
:sad: :grin:I like your style, kid! But in that thread I was using a different standard -- the old "totally random celebrity sighting standard". I don't consider my neighbor movie star in that category, or other people I've met or had meetings with to be the type I would include in such a game. (Or tennis stars for that matter, since I saw them all at the US Open, and J. McEnroe up in the booth.)
What convinces me of the gayness of Foster and Spacey is a constellation of information and evidence accumulated over a number of years, and is basically impossible to summarize here. But suffice to say it is basically the same or similar info. that has convinced YOU that they are both gay.
I have not had a ton of conversations about Tom Cruise's sexuality with anyone, but it has come up from time to time, as it aparently has in your circles, and from everything I've heard and know, I'm not as convinced of his sexuality as you seem to be, or believe that everyone else in Hollywood is as convinced of it as you are. And someone named 35ft6 saying it's definitely true on an internet chat board doesn't qualify as a smoking gun in my book. That is really the only disagreement here as far as I can tell.
Nice "save" there...lets not count your superstar neighbor, but what happened to all those celebs you "met" in the last couple years? They were after all "oscar winners and Spirit winners and emmy winners and Vanity Fair cover girls". Were none of them after you sighting of Martha? You seem to be good ol' chums with them, you didn't have anymore one-on-ones? After all...you did meet so many!
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Nice "save" there...lets not count your superstar neighbor, but what happened to all those celebs you "met" in the last couple years? They were after all "oscar winners and Spirit winners and emmy winners and Vanity Fair cover girls". Were none of them after you sighting of Martha? You seem to be good ol' chums with them, you didn't have anymore one-on-ones? After all...you did meet so many!
You're missing the point. I purposely did not include these type of people in a game of star sightings -- I only mentioned people I saw at random, not that I had some connection with somehow. Get it? Somewhere in that thread I also mentioned seeing Elizabeth Taylor 25 years ago because that was another random thing. (Also, I did not claim to be "chums" with any celebrities.)
Wow -- that helps to explain the rather cold, yet efficient way the whole divorce went. Does that make Kidman's post-marraige reaction a PR front, or was she really having 2nd thoughts on the pre-agreement?
At least during public events, Tom seems "on point" to the extreme. He comes across as cordial and friendly, but never actually casual. Not fake . . . just "programmed." His acting is like that too; his performances can be intense, yet I have no idea what is underneath it.
I have a friend who worked a few days on War of the Worlds. He said of Cruise: "He's very smiley. He never stopped smiling!"
And speaking of Bruce Willis from four pages ago, I just remembered I went to the premiere of Die Hard 2 oh so many years ago... And I remembered seeing Keifer Sutherland there, and I said to the person I was with "who's that chick he's with? I would think he could do better than that" and the person said "That's Julia Roberts!" And I was like "Oh yeah. You're right..."
But I digress. Back to Maverick!
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You only mentioned celebrities you saw at random? Since when? It is funny how you can just make stuff up and pretend other people will believe you, your trail of lies just keeps getting longer and longer....
chess9
Hall of Fame
Uh, the movie is a piece of juvenile crap. Why engage in such fantasies? Instead of spending 90 minutes or so honoring mindless violence, why don't you spend that time doing some supersets at the gym! If you need that crap to light your fire, well, your taste is all in your mouth.
Sorry, but I'm a Mary Poppins kinda' guy in my mind.
Though it person.... -Robert
I thought that when I saw Brad Pitt with Angelina Jolie -- she can do so much better than Angelina! Then I remember it was because my wife was Monica Bellucci, and that the Oracle gave me the wrong pill. Whoa.
Yeah I don't know about Julia; I actually think Sandra Bullock is prettier. I do like her smile though.
I liked the movie myself. Dhalsim was awesome in the film!
Never seen Bullock. But you know who was looking smokin' at that premeire? Demi, baby. Yummy!
35ft6
Legend
Seriously. This is the longest debate I've had with a troll in a long time. I've gotta leave this thread now, my wife Jessica Alba is telling me dinner's ready.
Don't be an ass, Lakoste. I have never once lied about ANYTHING on this board, and you don't know a damn thing about my life. YES, I only mentioned celebrities I saw at random during that game. What kind of game would it be if I said "and I met with this person six months ago, and this person last year, and I'm neighbor's with this person", etc?
If I was going to lie about this stuff, I probably would also go to the trouble to say I was some big shot VIP and all these people are my buddies, etc. I'm not a big shot, and I'm not good friends with any famous people. But I have had several conversations with various celebrities over the last couple of years. This does not make me an important person, or better than anyone else -- it just a not very exciting fact. Hell, I'd rather be a 5.0 than have met stars X and Y or whoever.
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I'm afraid YOU are the one whose credibility is in question, given that most of what you told us about Cruise seems to have been taken verbatim from Sweatpantserections.com.
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I don't see what the problem is, 35. You seem to want me to believe Cruise has been 'proven' gay because you say so. What happened to your "skepticism is good" stance from yesterday?
Whats the difference between the two? You gave the last celebrity you saw, aren't most celebrity sightings random? Especially since you're not pals with these people? Or do you call them up to have lunch?
Yea, same here, I'll tell my wife Kate Beckinsale that you and Jessica said Hi!
malakas
Banned
There's a big difference. If I have a meeting scheduled with miss X in Tribeca, it's not a random celebrity sighting. But if I happen to see Martha Stewart at some weird event on a little island in Maine, it IS random. Get it?
alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
I saw Durwood Kirby recently.
This just in from the coast!
I emailed a gay friend who has lived in Los angeles for 20 years and has a produced a couple of small movies during that time, although he is currently not very involved in the biz. While certainly not an expert, I thought his being a gay Los Angeleno and having some connection to the industry would give him some insight into this most important issue.
I asked him "Tom Cruise: 100 percent homosexual or not? What say you?" And he responded as follows:
"I say... NOT 100%... I worked with a guy many years ago who claimed his
attorney ex-wife did the pre-nup between Tom and Mimi Rogers and that it
contained specific clauses about not being able to talk about who Tom
brings home. If true, sounds like he might be mostly into men, but I
can't believe he's 100% homosexual... Mimi and Nicole might be hollywood enough
to go along with the charade, but Katie and family???
I've often wondered how interesting it would be if he's actually 100%
straight and his life has been dogged by this rumor the whole time."
I emailed a gay friend who has lived in Los angeles for 20 years and has a produced a couple of small movies during that time, although he is currently not very involved in the biz. While certainly not an expert, I thought his being a gay Los Angeleno and having some connection to the industry would give him some insight into this most important issue.
I asked him "Tom Cruise: 100 percent homosexual or not? What say you?" And he responded as follows:
"I say... NOT 100%... I worked with a guy many years ago who claimed his
attorney ex-wife did the pre-nup between Tom and Mimi Rogers and that it
contained specific clauses about not being able to talk about who Tom
brings home. If true, sounds like he might be mostly into men, but I
can't believe he's 100% homosexual... Mimi and Nicole might be hollywood enough
to go along with the charade, but Katie and family???
I've often wondered how interesting it would be if he's actually 100%
straight and his life has been dogged by this rumor the whole time."
35ft6
Legend
That's not it, Heycal. Skepticism IS good, but you seem very selective about what you're going to be skeptical about. I respect skepticism but only when it's applied in a consistent, uniform fashion, relatively free from the dictates of ego and biases. I'm just not seeing that from you. Look, it's just my opinion. Don't sweat it. You don't seem like a bad guy at all.
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No, I'm not a bad guy.
But I just make up my own mind about such matters. I can't say I have a "consistent, uniform" system about such things; I just go with what I personally know, see, hear, and feel, and combine that with my life experiences and insights into how the world works. It's not about ego or bias -- I have neither invested in the issue of Cruise's sexuality, and have no opinion about it. If you have heard different things, or have different ways of evaluating what you hear, and have come to the conclusion that he's a 100 percent gay -- no ifs, ands, or buts, that's fine with me. To each his own.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
Again Heycal - where is your proof? Where is it? I don't see anything now, have never seen anything that remotely resembles proof of your statement.
I already covered this best as I can in an earlier back and forth with 35, my darling, in the posts excerpted below.
35ft6
Legend
Dude, we should have an imaginary wife swap.
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Phil
Hall of Fame
So if a man is only 89% homosexual, is he...a homosexual. "Not 100%"...lmao!
If 35 had posted something relevant to this discussion, based on what his gay insider friends said, I'm sure you'd be discrediting it to high heaven.
The key here is, if it's someone else's information, it's not creditable, but if it's YOUR source, then, regardless of how shaky it is, that's all the "proof" you need. Your ego demands that no knowledge that you don't control (which amounts to a lot) can be accepted. Fine. Now we know. Best not to fee the trolls.
CanadianChic
Hall of Fame
Saw Premonition last night. Don't bother seeing it in the theater people - it is definately a rental, download, or even wait until it's on t.v. movie. Now that I have helped mankind in some small way, it is back to bed I go.
If we don't "fee the trolls", then you are out of business.
Sorry if I put more emphasis on the word of very trustworthy people I've known for more than 30 years over internet strangers I 'met' two days ago on a tennis website. Pretty stupid of me I guess, but I've always been nutty like that...(Not that I even claimed his word was gospel in such matters or a smoking gun of any kind, just another interesting perspective on it.)
If your math skills need brushing up, what "100 percent gay" means in real world terms is that one is exclusively interested in having sex with members of the same sex. It's just a casual way of speaking of sexuality on a continuum. If one has sex with both sexes -- if say, Tom Cruise actually enjoys having sex with the hottie who just fathered his child -- they are what is known as "bisexual", and our friends in the math department at MIT would label them as something less than 100 percent gay, maybe even good old 50% percent. If using percentages is making your head swirl, you can substitute the Kinsey 0-6 scale instead.
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chess9
Hall of Fame
Why do we care whether Tom Cruise is gay? I missed that important element of all of this piercing social commentary on Hollywood mores.
I hope he's getting all the sex he can and of whatever variety he chooses, but I don't give a whit. Why should anyone care what he does between the sheets? Or anywhere else.
Get a life.....
-Robert
I hope he's getting all the sex he can and of whatever variety he chooses, but I don't give a whit. Why should anyone care what he does between the sheets? Or anywhere else.
Get a life.....
-Robert
35ft6
Legend
My life consists of celebrity gossip and the deep contemplation of trivial pop culture. Aside from the fact that really, what's kept this going is not Tom Cruise's sexuality, which is incontrovertible, but, for me, Heycal's thinking process.
I only care in that it's interesting, as many elements of human sexuality are. Hollywood is an interesting place as well, and the relationship between sexuality and Hollywood is also interesting. And secrets are interesting. After all, openly gay people are the not the source of our discussion here -- we're not talking about Ellen Degeneres or Rupert Everett or such people or caring at all about their sexual preferences. We're talking about perception and reality and expectations and illusions and social mores and the complex inter-relationships between all these elements.
But if you'd rather talk about racket specs, go right ahead.
My thinking process is quite sound. Particularly compared to someone who posts a link to sweatpantserections.com to buttress his argument, and which he had quoted from earlier practically verbatim.
What's next? Richard Gere and gerbils and other such "incontrovertible" facts?
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Phil
Hall of Fame
How do you know she "fathered his child"? Just because HE said so?
rounick
Semi-Pro
Back on subject.
And by the above I mean the OP subject:
Just saw the film.My view?..
120 min of pure joy and adrenaline.
One of the coolest films I've seen.
Unexpectedly accurate (historically) for a Hollywood film,monsters etc aside,visually great,an amazing Butler and super super cinematography.
Absolutely loved it.
And by the above I mean the OP subject:
Just saw the film.My view?..
120 min of pure joy and adrenaline.
One of the coolest films I've seen.
Unexpectedly accurate (historically) for a Hollywood film,monsters etc aside,visually great,an amazing Butler and super super cinematography.
Absolutely loved it.
alwaysatnet
Semi-Pro
I'm sure Tom Cruise enjoyed the story of sweaty men in loin cloths too. Perhaps he saw it with the gay wrestler who entertained Tom so in the past. Hey Tom, whatever makes your E- Meter stand up. Right?
armand
Banned
Finally saw it and I loved the unique style! The content was ok, but the operatic style and look was pretty awesome. The fighting was great too, especially when you see Leonidas in an extended slow motion seq slicing thru the Persians, and Leonidas taking on that giant monster. I liked the films freak out factor too, like the deformed dude who gets seduced. And that oracle girl freaked me out with her dancing! Yowza!
No.
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AlpineCadet
Hall of Fame
I've seen the movie already, but please don't give spoilers, as some people might still be interested in watching the movie.
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Surprising to me is the number of gay journalists that haven't come out yet, including Rush Limbaugh, Greta Van Sustern, Wolf Blitzer, Jim Rome, Rex Reed, Anderson Cooper, and Mike Wallace.
