4.5 League - Doubles Match

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  1. MarinaHighTennis

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    Hey guys!

    So here is a recent match against the #1 doubles team in the league. Lmk on things I should work on as well as my returns and serves (these 2 are most important to me). I'm in black playing with the OS racket

    My team lost 4-6; 2-6 (could not break serve at all)




    (for fun; somthing you guys should try) Soft tennis ball/pickleball paddles/touchtennis court combo video:
     
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  2. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    Fast and Furious!

    - One thing I noticed: your fake poach move is distinguishable from your poach with the exaggerated first step. Not sure if your opponents picked up on that. But I like how aggressive you were with your movement.

    - Were you trying to hit mainly spin and not flat? I thought perhaps you could have mixed some flatter serves in.

    - Your return looked solid. I did notice a tendency to lob on the shot after the return [albeit a pretty good lob].

    - Were you signalling at all? I think you would benefit from this.
     
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  3. MarinaHighTennis

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    1) ahh true; ill try to look more relaxed with my fakes haha
    2) I usually hit with a lot of spin slice/kicks wide. I would only do flats if im really confident that day otherwise i go on placement
    3) one of the things I thought about too. I should've intimidated them more by going at them. Unfortunately the few times i did they hit a lucky drop volley.
    4) We were signaling, I have a huge tendency to poach most of the time (1st & 2nd serves).
     
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  4. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    Keep it up! That was fun to watch!
     
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  5. GuyClinch

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    wow..very good tennis. Nice editing job too...

    I always try to explain to people that high level doubles is fast and quick.. But lower level doubles players are always disappointed there are so few rallies.
    This video should be required watching for people under 4.5. ;P
     
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  6. TenFanLA

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    Nice match. Your partner needs to stop chip n charging as it is killing you guys. That was a good, tough doubles team you played. Hard to win with a partner like yours to be honest.
     
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  7. hieu1811

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    I agree with above comment that your partner's slice return of serve is quite a liability. In your video, half of the points they went out badly and the remaining half was low speed for the net opponent to start taking action.
     
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  8. MarinaHighTennis

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    yeah he usually isn't my main partner. 2 ppl dropped out the night before so the captain decided to split me and my partner (on the side court - the one w/o the red had) to bet on the fact that we can carry. I kept telling him throughout the match to just hit a forehand but he just never did it. We all knew where the serve was going, it didn't change at all throughout the course of the match.

    In addition, do people ever slice a return in doubles? I feel like thats asking for your partner to get a black eye.
     
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  9. Noveson

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    You slice a return and you better be damn sure it's barely sliding over the net. Most of the time I slice a return in doubles the points already over
     
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  10. dak95_00

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    At this level the return is very important. It needs to be in play to have a chance and it has to be good enough to force your opponents to make a play. A chip won't work unless it's a softly placed lob to the back of the court.

    I agree that you've got to test them with the hard return at them.

    I also agree that your partner returning from the ad court needs to be more aggressive on his return. It's tough to break with only chip backhand returns as they'll sit up for easy put away volleys.
     
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  11. ChaelAZ

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    Good match. Yeah, service return you mention would get you guys in points more and maybe more aggressive returns as mentioned above. Love seeing offensive lobs and crashing the net though. Good stuff.
     
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  12. steve s

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    You have a nice solid return game. I like the fact you do not over hit, and just hit it firm. Maybe a few to many to a net man who was not putting you under pressure.

    Your poaching and foot movement on the volleys left me with the feelings something is off. You are super quick, but you move complete parallel to the net on many. There is no 45 degree angle coming forward.

    Only watched once, so just my first impressions.

    Have a question for you. If you poach, why does your partner not cross???
     
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  13. Topspin Shot

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    The drop volleys might not be luck, I learned some players have a natural tendency to hit one on any ball blasted at them. My doubles partner on my college team is one of them. So you have to move up into no man's land right after going at them. Nice playing btw I love the aggressive net play.
     
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  14. MarinaHighTennis

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    I usually play by moving forward as my partners serve goes past me until I'm on top of the net. Then I run sideways.

    Hes a new partner so he goes off the idea that I poach only if it's a good shot (if I say poach, it really means switch sides, which I did explain to him several times) he doesn't trust me enough I guess haha
     
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  15. movdqa

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    What's the house in the background cost?
     
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  16. LeeD

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    Officer's housing, Presidio, so granted and not for normal sale. Construction is mid 50's USARMY, so cheap, no insulation, no soundproofing, and minimal quality. Great location, dark streets, unused tennis courts.
    Good play, looks like you're as strong as Matt, so I"m glad I didn't waste your time.
    Already said your partner's chip doesn't work, as he doesn't really swing at his C@C, he blocks it.
    Nice touch.
     
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  17. MarinaHighTennis

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    yeap YMCA infantry you described it to a T.

    As for as strong as Matt... only in doubles haha, once I play singles its a different story. However, it'd probs be down to 1 break of serve. I'll just miss a lot for no apparent reason... (got a vid coming up vs my 5.5/open friend ;P)

    and nope, when you guys schedule the next meetup ill be there! I've talked to Babolap and he'll let me know the details
     
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  18. LeeD

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    Well, it's mid June, and none of the guys are scheduling much of anything. Haven't heard from Matt since Sept, and don't know if he's up here.
    I"m taking a few weeks off tennis, in favor of windsurfing. Most of our MWF 4.0 crowd is away, injured, or taking time off for windsurfing, including me.
    Papa and Shroud do a weekday evening hit, both work mid days.
    Haven't heard from Andre Volynets, VitaminL, Dan Le, Yaz, but that is your crowd, 4.5, not mine.
     
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  19. Yaz

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    Nice playing...your opponent in blue is a friend of mine, very tough player esp. in dubs.

    I think Matt moves up here for good in late July, so let's try and all get together maybe in August
     
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  20. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    I do [4.5]. I like playing C&C on the 2nd, assuming it's not a big serve and I can control it. If the server is staying back, I either go deep or try to angle it off to make him get low. If the server is coming in, I still might slice but only low and hopefully into the alley. Try to get him off-balance a bit and open the court for my next shot. If I see the net man moving too soon, chip lob DTL.

    This is all predicated on me being able to handle the serve, though.
     
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  21. Topspin Shot

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    Lol my touch is nowhere good enough to ensure my partner's safety.
     
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  22. LeeD

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    Since we all know a slice is slower and doesn't dip as much as a topspin, we need to move into NML to hit the slice shots, which takes away time for the opponent netman to poach. Appears such was not applied in this case.
     
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  23. MarinaHighTennis

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    Ahh yeah i'd be when matt comes back then the emails will start going around.

    @Yaz : Craig is his name right? Hes good, definitely the better of the 2 players. I'd love to have a partner like him.
     
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    We'll definitely make something happen during the summer! Gonna see MarinaHighTennis this weekend for a tournament, hopefully we can get some good videos there.
     
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  25. Moveforwardalways

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    Guy with a 1HBH returning duece side? Why would you ever serve to his forehand at all? Even if he knows what is coming, there is little chance he can do anything about it. Just make him hit that 1HBH inside out all day, and let your partner feast on poaching it. Players with a 1HBH should always return ad side, except in rare circumstances.

    Oh I just noticed his partner also has a 1HBH, so not much they can do about that.
     
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  26. LeeD

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    Didn't Peter Fleming play ad court? 1hbh. Teamed with Mac, 1hbh, who played duece court, as a lefty.
    Plenty of exceptions to every rule.
    At 4.0, makes no difference if I play ad or duece, 1hbh lefty. At 4.5 makes no difference. At 5.0 makes no difference because there, I'm losing every point anyways.
     
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  27. spaceman_spiff

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    After a while, a guy with a weak backhand will start cheating over to the middle if you keep serving there, which opens up a big hole out wide. When the gap is big enough, even a mediocre serve out wide is often good enough for an ace or service winner.
     
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  28. LeeD

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    In a competitive match, there is no reason to change your shot location if it's working every time.
    In a friendly weekday set, you might match up your best shot against your opponent's best shot just to see where each of you really stand.
     
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    I'm not saying he has a weak backhand. I'm just saying that a right handed 1HBH is almost always a liability when returning duece court in doubles. It's one of the primary disadvantages of the shot. Especially if the server's partner at net is a right hander, the deuce returner will be hitting inside out 1HBH serve returns into the poachers forehand volley. This is basically an ideal set up for the serving team, and their service games should never be lost. 100% service hold percentage.
     
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  30. steve s

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    Bull s.... I am one of those guys, that gets the right shoulder turned early, and drives the return the cross court.
     
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    maybe you don't get why he said "almost"?
     
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  32. Moveforwardalways

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    Which do you mean? You are one of the guys in the video? Or you return deuce side with a 1HBH and feel you do it effectively?

    Look, even pros like the Bryan brothers don't return inside out 1HBHs from the deuce side. That's why they play forehands in the middle. It's just not a good strategy. It may work at lower levels where servers have less placement, but once you get to the point where servers can hit kick or flat serves down the T consistently, the righty 1HBH returning from the deuce side is just too great a liability. I mean, I'm sure you may be an exception to the rule right? But in general, guys who can serve practically salivate when they see a righty with a 1HBH returning deuce side.
     
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  33. ptuanminh

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    Such hand skills! Any tips?
     
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    I know. But, you asked why you would ever serve out wide to the FH. I'm saying that, as you serve to the BH more and more, your opponent will start cheating to the middle and setting up with a BH grip. This leaves a gap out wide that you can sneak a serve into. And even if you don't get an ace, you'll be serving to the FH when your opponent has a BH grip, which usually leads to a weak return.

    It doesn't need to be frequent, but an occasional serve out wide is a good strategy when you're mostly targeting the BH. It stops your opponent from cheating to the middle and can win you some easy points.
     
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