[4] Andy Murray & [5] Juan Martin Del Potro
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grafselesfan
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Murray in 2. Del Potro is in crap form, maybe injured, and should probably withdraw.
yeah he's got to pull out if he can't play. Otherwise he's just giving a free pass to the other guys in the group.
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del Potro in 1
Murray retires with some kind of mysterious ailment.
Murray retires with some kind of mysterious ailment.
jazzyfunkybluesy
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Murray in 0.
Blinkism
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And this will somehow prove that Murray has more slams than Del Potro?
batz
G.O.A.T.
You do have a habit of leading with your chin from time to time.
GustafsonFanatic
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Where is "Murray in 1" option?
Dimitrov_Fan
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murray is big favorite against delpotro because argentinian is injured in abdominals and not in great form
murray had had wrist problems but is much better now
murray had had wrist problems but is much better now
FlamEnemY
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Ok, so... How does beating him in a non-slam event prove that he's a one slam wonder
I guess Federer is a 15 slam wonder...
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clayman2000
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How can a 21 year old be a 1 slam wonder. Especially when he has been in the top 10 for over a year, has won 7 titles, and made masters finals and GS semis before that
grafselesfan
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He hasnt even won a Masters title yet. His career high ranking thus far is #5. He has awful records vs other top 5 players except for Nadal. He still has alot to prove, and it sure as heck aint going to happen this week.
TheFifthSet
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He beat Federer and Nadal in a slam.
Yeah, for a 21 year old he's proven quite a bit.
BTW, Spider, ir Del Potro is a one-slam wonder, what does that make Murray? Just curious.
GustafsonFanatic
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^ I think Murray's career is still slightly more succesful than DelPo's (and my love for Murray is as big as his second serve). JDMP still needs to back up his slam with a few more titles.
zagor
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Beating Nadal and Federer in slam,especially back-to-back has never ever happened until this year when Delpo did it so yeah as TheFifthSet said he proved a lot doing that at the age of 21.To beat 2 best players of this decade back-to-back on a big stage is a tremendous achievement,heck he gave Nadal the worst slam loss(scorewise)of his career.
Who cares about his H2H records against other top players? The fact that Fed has leads Delpo in their H2H by quite a bit didn't save him in USO final one bit,heck he was pushed to five by Delpo at FO as well.
Yes,Delpo's play since his USO triumph has been disappointing to say the least but it's obvious the guy has quite a potential so let's not act like his USO was some fluke or whatever.Believe me he was also closer to winning FO than many people realize.
Totally agree with you post, and boy was I happy he didn't yet have the guts, or the heart, or the endurance to do it. I was very happy for him at the US Open, but wouldn't have been so generous had he taken away Federer's (and more importantly, my) dream.
GustafsonFanatic
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^
Is Gaudio better than Coria?
If Delpo and Murray were to retire tomorrow, I would have to say that Murray has had the better career.
Is Gaudio better than Coria?
If Delpo and Murray were to retire tomorrow, I would have to say that Murray has had the better career.
zagor
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Yeah,if he had to beat Fed it's better that he did it at USO than at the FO
.I think if he beat Fed in 3 or 4 he in that SF he would have gone on to beat Soderling in the final and win the FO.
mandy01
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I remember thinking often this year that if Fed won the FO I wouldnt mind him lose in the first round of USO :lol:Yeah,if he had to beat Fed it's better that he did it at USO than at the FO
That semi-finals was fantastic though.I would say both of them played some really good tennis..
Anyway,I dont think we should judge Juan Martin based on his performance right now..He's done pretty well at the slams and he's only 20..Next year will be key for him,I think.
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what would you rather if you were a professional tennis player, to win a slam and become a hero in your own country for life, going down in the history books as having been the best in the entire field in a best-of-5 slam tournament, the ultimate challenge for any pro tennis player....
or not?
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zagor
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I agree,RF SF was a very good match,Fed won on mental toughness,fitness and experience even though Delpo was playing some inspired tennis and outplaying Fed for the good part of the match.
As for Delpo,he just won his first slam,he had a letdown after but that's not that unexpected.IMO the guy will end up as a multiple slam winner but you can never know with these things.
I can agree with that,Murray so far had better results than Delpo overall and might still be the better player,however Delpo's game is more suitable for winning slams(mostly because of his huge FH).
Ofcourse if Murray wins this match, it will be because Del Potro was injured, and not because Murray is the better player (and we can all avoid the previous head to head as well where Murray has always beaten him on the hard courts). :neutral:
You people react as if Del Potro is way ahead of Murray. So many average players have won slam in the past (Thomas Johansson, for example). Using that as an evidence to prove Del Potro is better than Murray is stupid.
Murray has the higher rank, has more MS titles (and titles in general). No way is Del Potro better than Murray.
GustafsonFanatic
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Thomas Johansson is a major force in the world of tennis.
Yeah, but Del Potro is 16 months younger than Murray...
zagor
Bionic Poster
Yes because beating tanking Safin is the same as beating both Fed and Nadal in a slam.
We should also label Delpo as one slam wonder at the old age of 20 because there's not even a 0,0001% he'll get another slam for the remainder of his career,right?
I'm not normally one for making excuses, but Del Potro has one two (2) matches since he won the U.S. Open - a three set struggle against a retiring Safin and then what would have been a three set struggle against an injured Gonzalez had Gonzalez not retired after losing half a dozen match points in the second set. Del Potro has retired in two of his three losses since the U.S. Open. Something's up. I know a lot of fans are quick to cry injury about a their favorite player's losses, but Federer, Nadal, Murray, Djokovic etc. have never played as poorly as Del Potro is playing right now.
It's very possibly, however, that Del Potro recovers by the start of this tournament. And if he still loses, then yes, it's because Murray played better that day. We'll just have to see how Del Potro looks. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls out altogether.
diegaa
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Just FYI Gaudio had a very good run in 2005, his best year if we dont take into consideration the FO. So it is pretty obvious the FO title gave him a pretty good boost.
Blinkism
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Yeah, because beating Nadal and Federer back-to-back in a grand slam is just so easy.
So easy, Murray did it in 2008...
Oh wait...
GustafsonFanatic
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Apparently it didn't give him enough boost to win even a single Masters. Seriously, do you think he was better than Coria? I mean, Gaudio himself acknowledged that Coria was better than him.
grafselesfan
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Coria is so overrated so I say sure.
I think it is very close because of Del Potro's U.S Open title and beating Federer in the final to do it. If Murray had done the same the previous year, or Del Potro hadnt won that, it would be Murray by a huge margin though.
GustafsonFanatic
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Exaggerate much? Coria is certainly not an all-time great claycourter (below Ferrero, Moya and Corretja, not to mention Guga and Rafa), but he was always a threat on clay from 2003-2005. Gaudio's only got his 1 slam and he had a good season in 2005, and absolutely nothing beside that.
GustafsonFanatic
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LOL. When someone says that Johansson was a major force in tennis, it's obvious he doesn't mean it.
grafselesfan
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Coria is probably better than Gaudio of course but he is still way overrated. He isnt one of the best players not to win a major, and there are better clay courters who never won the French than him. His vacuum on clay was only a brief period when there were no big guns to take down as he was incapable of taking down the big guns even on his beloved clay.
Anyway you rate him below even Moya and Corretja so you probably rate him fairly.
I think an even better example would be Tomas Johansson winning a hard court slam while Michael Chang never won one.
GustafsonFanatic
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Coria was good during the interregnum between Ferrero and Nadal. Ferrero was injured and Nadal was still a kid. So, Coria was probably the best claycourter in 2004, and his RG title was supposed to confirm it, but then he lost that silly final and never had a chance after that.
But, he's far from being the best player not to win a slam. It's a silly notion really.
I never liked the guy anyway. Guga, Ferrero and Gaudio were my favorites. Much classier guys than Coria.
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GustafsonFanatic
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^ Isn't Rafa taller than Fed?
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In this picture Federer is standing on a stepladder.
GustafsonFanatic
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And Del Potro is kneeling? Crouching?
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