4 straight winners in a return game

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  1. pc1

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    Always assumed it was four straight return winners. So I guess for example a drop shot off a serve and volleying the return of the drop shop for a winner counts.
     
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    This does one does NOT meet the definition, but it was a very impressive service game so I am shoving it in. At 5-5 in the first set Evert v Bonder of the 1985 French. , Evert hits two clean winners in which Bonder does not touch the ball with a swing volley and forehand crosscourt, and two that might as well be, because Bonder so barely got her racket on it that the result came nowhere near the court for a break of serve at love.
     
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    As you can see the thread title has been modified accordingly. Wonder who urged the mods? :cool::oops: (Hope krosero won't mind.)

    Also here's more reason why we all should heed Moose's exhortation to rely on visual evidence only. This SI article about the 2012 AO SF between Djoko and Murray says Novak hit "[f]our straight return winners" to break Andy and take the 4th set 6-1:

    https://www.si.com/tennis/beyond-ba...vic-andy-murray-australian-open-live-analysis

    But that's not quite accurate, as you can see here starting at 3:31:05:



    So more like one forced error by Andy off Novak's deep return followed by the latter's 3 straight return winners. Close but no cigar.

    Aside #1: Y'all might recall both guys held serve surprisingly well in this match (well, at the beginning of it anyway), so this return game by Novak was most likely the highlight of the evening. (Despite my Djoko fandom I'll admit this was probably the most boring 5-setter I can recall watching.)

    Aside #2: Surprised neither of these guys nor Agassi is on Moose's list yet. I'm sure we'll find some examples eventually.
     
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    good catch regarding that Djoko return game, but


    Djoko broke Murray 2 times in the first set and Murray broke him 1 time in the first set.
    Djoko broke Murray 2 times in the second set and Murray broke hum 3 times in the second set

    Overall, Djoko broke Murray 11 times and Murray broke him 7 times.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20120719...n.com:80/en_AU/scores/stats/day17/1601ms.html

    Hardly a case of both of holding serve well (at any stage of the match)
    You've confused it with their 2013 final where neither guy broke in the 1st 2 sets.
     
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    Yeah I was trying to watch the Olympic coverage at the same time so must've had a brain fart. :oops: Could've sworn their '13 final went the distance but maybe I'm combining the two matches in my head (that is, I thought the '12 SF featured both 5 sets and few breaks as opposed to just one of those two).

    I'm pretty sure about the 5-setter being a bit of a slog, though. :p Watched most of it on replay to fulfill my duties as a tennis fanatic and that's exactly what it felt like - work rather than fun. Don't think I've ever felt that way watching such an important match.
     
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    nah, their AO 2012 semi was good. (one of the few good matches in their rivalry - from PoV of watching as well)

    AO 13 final was boring for the first 2 sets (though even) and then Djokovic ran away with it after Murray's blister issues.
     
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    Andre Agassi, opening game US Open final 1999, broke Todd Martin from 30-0 down with 4 straight winners - all passes (1 return), all 1st serve points.


    Near miss, Roger Federer, 12th game 2nd set, US Open final 2008, broke Andy Murray to love with 3 winners and a very much forced Murray error

    The forced error in question, Murray had no chance of making the pass - it would be touch and go if he could get a racquet on it. He did - more than enough that I wouldn't consider even calling it a winner on a judgment (ball bounced 2 or 3 times from his shot to reaching the net)

    Mary Carillo referred to the game a bit later as Federer breaking "with 4 winners" - poetic exaggeration and another example of how we can't take commentators, much less media's word on these things... and this is from 2008
     
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    Mats Wilander, 3rd set game 6 in Masters final 1987 vs Ivan Lendl

    He either hit 4 winners in a row or came as close as you can to it

    The fourth point in the sequence is a drop BHV that Lendl races to reach

    I can't tell if he does before the second bounce... he hits the ball straight up in the air to about head high and gently hits it again

    I would think hitting it vertically like that is a sign that Lendl knew it had bounced twice(?)

    if the point was alive when he made contact, he'd hit forward and up since he could do that a fraction of a second earlier than hitting straight up

    Can't tell for sure, but worth a mention at least
     
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    Possibly also against Golarsa, Wimbledon 89 when her back was against the wall.
    I'll check - I like any excuse to watch this match. Especially as l was there in person :)
     
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    Martina may have done that to Sukova as well. I'm speaking of Helena's huge 1984 Australian Open upset. I believe Helena went up 40-0, triple match point only to have Martina hit at least 3 consecutive screaming winners off of first serves. It may have even been 4, but I would have to go back to watch to be sure.

    I can still see Martina pumping herself up as she tried to save herself and taking a couple of huge Sukova first serves and smacking forehands for clean winners. Helena then smartly went back to Martina's backhand and served out the match.
     
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