40 MPH wind at USTA tournament

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
It was not fun. I could not play. It was crazy! I never do well in wind, even when I was a 5.5 30+ years ago. That's all I have to say. [emoji14]

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Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
didn't Federer say at one point that "it is same for both players" ??
True. But so is cold and so is heat. I don't mind heat but hate playing in very cold weather. Some people are the opposite. I prefer not to play at all if it is extremely windy. This was so bad, the event could have been cancelled. Never experienced it this bad in 40 years on the courts.

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Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Big kick serve with wind at your back, Slice or flat serving into the wind. Rinse/repeat/collect trophy.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
I have played in a lot of wind. Not a ton of fun but one can learn to embrace it.
It is true, the USTA does not have a rule for suspending play due to wind.

Played a tournament where the winds in Vegas were so high the airport was closed to all takeoffs and landings. Sustained winds at over 40mph with gusts over 60. Pure hell.

In less awful conditions but still high winds (my definition is anything over 25 mph) there are lots of tactics. The ones I use with the greatest benefit is to keep the ball low, slice often, targets move more towards the center and shorter.

Footwork becomes even more important as the wind creates much more action on the ball and you need to make many more adjustments.

Other than that ....

Play the ball not the wind

Keep your sense of humor
 

J_R_B

Hall of Fame
didn't Federer say at one point that "it is same for both players" ??
It is the same. Extreme condition aren't unfair, they just make everyone play poorly, which does suck. When talking about pros where winning and losing is everything, it matters much less if the overall level of play is affected.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
It is the same. Extreme condition aren't unfair, they just make everyone play poorly, which does suck. When talking about pros where winning and losing is everything, it matters much less if the overall level of play is affected.
True, it stinks to play pusher tennis.
 

Shaolin

G.O.A.T.
Keep your sense of humor
Truth!!

Also great advice on clay. I go into clay matches always expecting a bad bounce at any time, or the ball to slither off the line and die or jump up 10'off a groove in front of the line. Have to laugh to myself when my opponent is screaming and throwing their racquet over bad bounces, you have to expect that sh*t.
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
I have played in a lot of wind. Not a ton of fun but one can learn to embrace it.
It is true, the USTA does not have a rule for suspending play due to wind.

Played a tournament where the winds in Vegas were so high the airport was closed to all takeoffs and landings. Sustained winds at over 40mph with gusts over 60. Pure hell.

In less awful conditions but still high winds (my definition is anything over 25 mph) there are lots of tactics. The ones I use with the greatest benefit is to keep the ball low, slice often, targets move more towards the center and shorter.

Footwork becomes even more important as the wind creates much more action on the ball and you need to make many more adjustments.

Other than that ....

Play the ball not the wind

Keep your sense of humor
Definitely had to have a sense of humor! I had a friend who played a soccer match that same windy day and they laughed about some of the shots that turned into goals, making the goalies totally wiff! :)

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OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
Definitely had to have a sense of humor! I had a friend who played a soccer match that same windy day and they laughed about some of the shots that turned into goals, making the goalies totally wiff! :)

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The worst part was the serves. Attempting to find a break between gusts ... toss the ball and it would just leave. Like leave the court no possibility of hitting a regular serve ... resorted to using a weird side-arm thing. ... December 16th 2016 ... can look it up (las vegas) The Worst Ever.

I laughed a lot .... had a good time but was glad when it was over.
 

redrealist

New User
didn't Federer say at one point that "it is same for both players" ??
The wind is the same, but how it impacts each player is no doubt different. I have a high ball toss, for instance. So, naturally, gusts of wind will impact my toss more so than a guy who tosses low, right?
I know we're supposed to be mentally tough and accept the conditions for what they are, but the truth is, we all have conditions we favor. I'm fit and am used to oppressive heat and humidity. So pit me against an opponent on a day when the heat index is 105 and I'm loving it.
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
The worst part was the serves. Attempting to find a break between gusts ... toss the ball and it would just leave. Like leave the court no possibility of hitting a regular serve ... resorted to using a weird side-arm thing. ... December 16th 2016 ... can look it up (las vegas) The Worst Ever.

I laughed a lot .... had a good time but was glad when it was over.
Yeah. Many players were double-faulting rather than serving underhand. Sort of a stubborn pride approach. Lol

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chatt_town

Hall of Fame
It was not fun. I could not play. It was crazy! I never do well in wind, even when I was a 5.5 30+ years ago. That's all I have to say. [emoji14]

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As long as it's blowing on both sides, I can roll with it. lol I'd have a real problem it if it were just my side.lol
 

chatt_town

Hall of Fame
The wind is the same, but how it impacts each player is no doubt different. I have a high ball toss, for instance. So, naturally, gusts of wind will impact my toss more so than a guy who tosses low, right?
I know we're supposed to be mentally tough and accept the conditions for what they are, but the truth is, we all have conditions we favor. I'm fit and am used to oppressive heat and humidity. So pit me against an opponent on a day when the heat index is 105 and I'm loving it.

Yea, but sounds like you want to play tennis like boxers box. I don't like boxing because many of them get to choose their opponent on their terms. The fun of tennis is having to adapt. I use to like oppresive heat until I started getting injured. I don't like cold but I hate wind even more. I can roll in 45 degrees much better than 65 or 70 and 20mph winds...so I get you, but that's the fun of it. If I got everything I wanted which is indoor singles with a low bouncing court I'd hardly ever lose I won an indoor tourney something like 8 out of 12 years and lost twice in the finals. So I understand favoring certain conditions, but we must play no matter what's going on. :)
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
Yea, but sounds like you want to play tennis like boxers box. I don't like boxing because many of them get to choose their opponent on their terms. The fun of tennis is having to adapt. I use to like oppresive heat until I started getting injured. I don't like cold but I hate wind even more. I can roll in 45 degrees much better than 65 or 70 and 20mph winds...so I get you, but that's the fun of it. If I got everything I wanted which is indoor singles with a low bouncing court I'd hardly ever lose I won an indoor tourney something like 8 out of 12 years and lost twice in the finals. So I understand favoring certain conditions, but we must play no matter what's going on. :)
To me, playing in extreme wind is not fun. A challenge, yes. But not fun. I don't like to play tennis in the rain either. :)

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Mongolmike

Hall of Fame
It's like people complaining about the weather. Does that help? Make you feel better? Change the conditions?

If the worst you have to deal with in your life is high wind in a rec level tennis tournament, then you have a charmed life.
On the other hand, if you b * tch and moan about this, I'd really hate to be around you when true trouble found you.

Lighten up. Or don't play.


Speaking of "lighten up".... was playing dubs with friends last night. Early in the session, one of the opponents was serving for the first time in the match. He served to the deuce, then served to me in the ad. Long point. Point over. He walks back to serve his third time, but he is standing to serve again to the ad. I said, "Rick. You just served to me." He looks up and says, "Ohh, lighten up "insert my last name". You going to call everything tonight?" Good for a laugh for sure.
 

OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
It's like people complaining about the weather. Does that help? Make you feel better? Change the conditions?

If the worst you have to deal with in your life is high wind in a rec level tennis tournament, then you have a charmed life.
On the other hand, if you b * tch and moan about this, I'd really hate to be around you when true trouble found you.

Lighten up. Or don't play.


Speaking of "lighten up".... was playing dubs with friends last night. Early in the session, one of the opponents was serving for the first time in the match. He served to the deuce, then served to me in the ad. Long point. Point over. He walks back to serve his third time, but he is standing to serve again to the ad. I said, "Rick. You just served to me." He looks up and says, "Ohh, lighten up "insert my last name". You going to call everything tonight?" Good for a laugh for sure.
Totally agree with you! At any level in any conditions, no whining ... we are all fortunate to be able to play a sport we love.

That said, I am perfectly happy if high wind (or too sunny, too cold, too hot, too much pollen, too humid, too loud) gets into my opponents' head because it will not get into my head.
 

Mongolmike

Hall of Fame
Totally agree with you! At any level in any conditions, no whining ... we are all fortunate to be able to play a sport we love.

That said, I am perfectly happy if high wind (or too sunny, too cold, too hot, too much pollen, too humid, too loud) gets into my opponents' head because it will not get into my head.
The part of getting in an opponents head is spot on.

I played in suffocatingly humid conditions in a tennis bubble in a tournament. I personally don't mind playing in real hot conditions, but it was humid for sure.
My opponent looked to be a good shape, but he was audibly suffering. Complaining about the humidity, playing in a bubble, etc. Change overs was the same.
After 3-4 games I thought, well, let's amp this up a little and see what happens. So I started doing the same thing....complaining. Agreeing with him. Over exaggerating how miserable it was. "I can't believe they have us playing in these conditions!!" "This is the worst heat I've evere played in!!" etc.

He fought hard for the first set, but lost. 2nd set he faded like a wet piece of toilet paper. I think I beat him 6-1 or 6-2. I am quite confident he threw in the towel. He talked himself out of the match.

I shared this before too that I played an opponent who complained because THE BIRDS were chirping too loudly and disturbing his serves! Tho I will grant that we were NOT playing in the bubble. We were actually playing outside... so personally I had to give the birds a pass.
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
Guys.Again, to clarify. I'm talking about mini hurricane freaking wind conditions. Not just a "very windy" day. Otherwise, I would not have posted.

I was on one of the best HS teams in California and then a college team ranked #2 in the nation. I played #1 in college. I coached world-ranked juniors. I am in my 50's now and play low-level 4.5 rec tennis until I get back in shape and practice more. Excuse me. Lol :)

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OnTheLine

Hall of Fame
Guys.Again, to clarify. I'm talking about mini hurricane freaking wind conditions. Not just a "very windy" day. Otherwise, I would not have posted.

I was on one of the best HS teams in California and then a college team ranked #2 in the nation. I played #1 in college. I coached world-ranked juniors. I am in my 50's now and play low-level 4.5 rec tennis until I get back in shape and practice more. Excuse me. Lol :)

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I get that. More than most given where I play.
Neither ones' level nor ones' previous accomplishments determine how well one mentally handles adverse conditions. Rafa is a prime example of epic whiner when conditions aren't to his liking.
 

Mongolmike

Hall of Fame
Guys.Again, to clarify. I'm talking about mini hurricane freaking wind conditions. Not just a "very windy" day. Otherwise, I would not have posted.

I was on one of the best HS teams in California and then a college team ranked #2 in the nation. I played #1 in college. I coached world-ranked juniors. I am in my 50's now and play low-level 4.5 rec tennis until I get back in shape and practice more. Excuse me. Lol :)

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Ok, you are a very good player and have been playing a long time. It was hard for you to adjust to the conditions. What do you think should've happened... reschedule the event or outright cancel?
 

Chalkdust

Rookie
Give the guy a break! He's just venting about not having fun playing in high wind. He's not suggesting it was unfair to him, that the entire event should have been cancelled, or anything like that.

Yes it's a first world problem, but we play to have fun and not as a chore. If it's not fun, then we complain!
 

MRfStop

Hall of Fame
Here in Georgia a lot of state tournaments are in the winter months with a lot of rain and high winds. Which makes it almost impossible to play in.

The last mixed state tournament it was close 108°F in Valdosta
 

Mongolmike

Hall of Fame
Give the guy a break! He's just venting about not having fun playing in high wind. He's not suggesting it was unfair to him, that the entire event should have been cancelled, or anything like that.

Yes it's a first world problem, but we play to have fun and not as a chore. If it's not fun, then we complain!
He did indeed suggest it could've been cancelled in his 2nd post.
"This was so bad, the event could have been cancelled."
 

Holdfast44ID

Semi-Pro
He did indeed suggest it could've been cancelled in his 2nd post.
"This was so bad, the event could have been cancelled."
It was that bad. I would not have been surprised. Cows were flying through the air... I would not have been surprised if it was cancelled. There is high wind and then there is laughable ridiculous wind. Worst I experienced in my 40 years of playing tennis. Barring falling and getting injured, it would have been easier to play in the rain.

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