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lazyfootwork
Guest
I like 4G a lot and it has been my string of choice for some time now... I'm not saying it's bad, just throwing out some reasons it may not be as prominent at the club level as some other Luxilon offerings
4G 1.25, 4G Rough, 4G Soft, 4G 1.20, 4G Hybrids...
- Thread starter Aestheticsaboveallelse
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Yes. Stiff put plush at the same time. Lynx tour also like that.
Blade_X
Professional
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lazyfootwork
Guest
That’s just untrue
Blade_X
Professional
He says surpassed not similar. To my experience close to 4G are ice code and tour m8. But not better. Haven’t tried toroline yet. Confidential that it was mentioned before is a joke according to my experience with it.
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lazyfootwork
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lazyfootwork
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there are likely many variables to "your experience" - I am speaking about objective testing
The familiarity with strings and whether one has had the opportunity to try them certainly affects the popularity of 4G strings. I only started playing with this string when I began stringing my own racquets. I worked as a salesperson and stringer in a local sports shop, and we had three different strings from which we would sell the one that seemed best for the customer based on their descriptions. Even there, 90% of our customers were hobbyists who play once or twice a month. And it makes sense that having 4G as an option would be kind stupid then.
However, when talking about active players, I wonder why so few use 4G. The stiffness rating is objective in its measurement; there's no denying that. But this has nothing to do with reality when the string is put into two different racquets. And the friends I know haven't even heard of TW's string comparison tool. Somehow, my own thinking tip towards the idea that 4G simply isn't very well known among consumers, regardless of the level of play. And I argue that with right tension 4G is not too stiff to any racket/elbow.
However, when talking about active players, I wonder why so few use 4G. The stiffness rating is objective in its measurement; there's no denying that. But this has nothing to do with reality when the string is put into two different racquets. And the friends I know haven't even heard of TW's string comparison tool. Somehow, my own thinking tip towards the idea that 4G simply isn't very well known among consumers, regardless of the level of play. And I argue that with right tension 4G is not too stiff to any racket/elbow.
tacotanium
Professional
Has anyone tried 4G Rough as cross with gut?
codonnell
Semi-Pro
I agree that you can string 4g so low due to the stiffness and control, and it can be comfortable and playable too. Like you said the general consumer either doesn’t know about it or the benefits and May just pick up standard silver alu power due to being listed as a popular pick, pro endorsements, or simply that’s what the store carries. Funnily enough I was at my local ***** sporting goods and they had a 4g set sitting on the rack. Too bad one of the strings was split apart from the set which I don’t think anyone would want to buy.
Blade_X
Professional
As a long time 4G user i tried rough for the first time. It was difficult to spot the differences…… we are splitting hairs in here but i would say rough is a tiny bit stickier and softer feeling without being also more arm friendly. 4G regular seems to last longer and i found it to offer more power. On the other hand 4G soft is different….. sweeter, more plush feel and more slippery. Even more pop and spin with a slightly loss of control. So depending on the racquet response it’s 4G Vs 4G soft to me. I ll also try Guy/4G next week Vs 4G soft.
Do you mean gut/4g and gut/4g soft hybrids? I've been testing gut/4g and gut/alu hybrids and found that gut/alu128 was little bit better that 4g hybrid. But would like to hear about gut/4g soft experinces.
Blade_X
Professional
Gut/4G Vs 4G soft full bed.
I have been playing with 4G (1.25) mains, RS Lyon (1.20) crosses (24/23kg) on Blade V5 for almost 10 years. My stock of Lyon has just run out and the price of it has gone up significantly so I am looking for alternatives. So far I have tried:
- RS Lyon 1.25
- Head Hawk 1.25
- Head Hawk Touch 1.20
Rs Lyon 1.25 plays a bit softer and less powerful.
HH has tons of power and control - it almost shocked me because I didn't expect so much power and control. However it really mutes the feel significantly which is a bit of a turn off. Usually the crosses don't influence the feel of the stringbed as much as HH. I have to play couple more matches to make a final verdict.
HHT has great power (almost too much) and excellent feel. Need to increase the tension at least 1-2kg.
Does anyone have suggestions regarding crosses that go well with 4G?
- RS Lyon 1.25
- Head Hawk 1.25
- Head Hawk Touch 1.20
Rs Lyon 1.25 plays a bit softer and less powerful.
HH has tons of power and control - it almost shocked me because I didn't expect so much power and control. However it really mutes the feel significantly which is a bit of a turn off. Usually the crosses don't influence the feel of the stringbed as much as HH. I have to play couple more matches to make a final verdict.
HHT has great power (almost too much) and excellent feel. Need to increase the tension at least 1-2kg.
Does anyone have suggestions regarding crosses that go well with 4G?
Babolat string savers? I can get my polys to not break for monthsI love the feel and the low tension loss of the 4G. But unfortunately the 4G has very pronounced notching. Any solutions with the same playing quality (similar strings? hybrid?)
McEncock
Professional
Hello, have you tried full bed? If you did, why do you want to hybrid 4G?
Yes I did, the main reason is the price as my strings break at 5 hour mark. Back in the days I had a connection in France from Wilson, that enabled me to get Luxilon reels for 120€. My stash was running out quickly so I tried RS Lyon as a cross and never looked back. Lyon was pretty cheap cca. 5 years ago, with reels around (or even under) 100€. My stringer just informed me I have run out of it and no local option to get the string, so I guess it is time to look for alternative
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McEncock
Professional
I brake em 5h mark like you haha, and I live in France ^^Yes I did, the main reason is the price as my strings break at 5 hour mark. Back in the days I had a connection in France from Wilson, that enabled me to get Luxilon reels for 120€. My stash was running out quickly so I tried RS Lyon as a cross and never looked back. Lyon was pretty cheap cca. 5 years ago, with reels around (or even under) 100€. My stringer just informed me I have run out of it and no local option to get the string, so I guess it is time to look for alternative
I'm actually looking for a 1,30 4G équivalent, but cheaper if you have any idea
McEncock
Professional
4G 120 is very slippery, very underrated cross
I'd give it a shot if I were u
Best tension maintenance I've seen for 120 gauge
KungfuTennis
Semi-Pro
I'm someone who absolutely hates how the Clash plays, and I find that 4G rough mains with a 16g multi cross makes it actually playable for me (52/55)
No string in my opinion plays similar to 4G. I tried couple alternatives 3 years ago, but didn't like a single one.
Since we are talking about your country, the only string I had a feeling I could use in the long term was RS Paris (it has a bit more power than 4G, but still good control)
.P.S. Incoming 4G 1.30 today
McEncock
Professional
Thx!No string in my opinion plays similar to 4G. I tried couple alternatives 3 years ago, but didn't like a single one.
Since we are talking about your country, the only string I had a feeling I could use in the long term was RS Paris (it has a bit more power than 4G, but still good control)
P.S. Incoming 4G 1.30 today
Btw, I mixed things up... I was recommending Solinco Hyper G 120 in your crosses to hybrid 4G...
Hyper G 120 is the best 120 string I've ever used, when I was playing with prestige 600
It allows extreme string movement, and great tension maintenance
y0035215
Rookie
So would you say 4G and RS Paris are similar, at least to some extent? Does the RS Paris grip the ball a little more? 4G is my favourite string so far, but I have problems with net clearance on clay.No string in my opinion plays similar to 4G. I tried couple alternatives 3 years ago, but didn't like a single one.
Since we are talking about your country, the only string I had a feeling I could use in the long term was RS Paris (it has a bit more power than 4G, but still good control)
P.S. Incoming 4G 1.30 today
4G is unique
. RS Paris is somewhere between 4G and Alu power. Compared to 4G you will get a bit more power and spin. I would rank it almost as high as 4G. If you like for 4G but need a bit of extra power, you could try 4G soft. It has (almost) the control of 4G, but a bit more power, spin and feel.Thanks for the tip, will try it out
McEncock
Professional
No worriesThanks for the tip, will try it out
I love hybriding polys
It's very surprising how counter-intuitive it can be...
For example, IME, hexagonal/squared shaped crosses increases your poly/poly Hybrid's life :
When the rounded (or textured) mains slide on square shaped crosses, the frictional surface is larger ; so the temperature generated by the friction is lower ; hence less fraying, as fraying occurs when the melting temperature of the poly is reached. (That's why when you take a big cut at the ball it smells like melted plastic)
We had a high-level player on ttw who gained more than 1h of life out of his stringbed as soon as he used Yonex poly tour spin as cross
Cheers!
y0035215
Rookie
Thx. I dont need extra power to 4G. Also I have no arm probs. I just would like to get some more lift/grab to reach a more safty net clearance.4G is unique
TheBoom
Hall of Fame
Ok so, I absolutely hated 4G in my Shift Pro when I first strung it up. It was too stiff, even at 48lbs, to the point of being uncomfortable (not typical for me).
However, after about 2 hrs of hitting it started feeling better and at 4-5 hrs now, I’m really appreciating the string. Confidential’s playability has falllen off and 4G still plays very consistently.
My question for all you 4G folks is, how do I make it more comfortable fresh off the stringer? Or, do I experiment with a different variation of 4G? Would stringing the mains a few pounds lower help?
However, after about 2 hrs of hitting it started feeling better and at 4-5 hrs now, I’m really appreciating the string. Confidential’s playability has falllen off and 4G still plays very consistently.
My question for all you 4G folks is, how do I make it more comfortable fresh off the stringer? Or, do I experiment with a different variation of 4G? Would stringing the mains a few pounds lower help?
ZeroandOne
Rookie
I really like 4G bronze. Unlike some warriors here who breaks 4G after two hits, I can't for the life of me break that. However I can break 4G desert bronze after 2-4 weeks depending on play. It loses tension noticeably too, which I like. Introduces more pocketing. Outstanding feel and more snapback for more fun. I think 4G gold is better if you're facing hard incoming fresh balls, but I don't, not often enough.
McEncock
Professional
Just drop the tension =)
If you don't like it and have some extra cash, hybrid it with gut
Gut/4G hybrid is the king of tension maintenance
TheBoom
Hall of Fame
@McEncock @ZeroandOne What’s the difference betwen 4G colors then?
Also, would 4G soft or rough be good to look at? I break strings too quickly to justify using a hybrid. I think with 4G 1.3mm I’m about to get about 8 hrs of play total out of it. I’m at 6.5/7 and it feels like it’s about to break
ZeroandOne
Rookie
play with fresh balls against a hard hitting partner on a hot afternoon. Changing to a different 4G variant will disappoint you since they all sacrifice something compared to original 4g gold.
TheBoom
Hall of Fame
I mean… I don’t love the stiffness of the original 4G so I’m open to other variations if it fixes that
ZeroandOne
Rookie
4G soft or 4G bronze. Try that. Feel vs Durability. See what works for you. I'm not a stringer, nor a string breaker. What's your racquet setup?
McEncock
Professional
I didn't try any different colour just regular 4G sorry. I rly think you could like it with few pounds lower. The good thing about 4G is that you always get control out of it, even at relatevely low tension
What did you play before that? It might be you were playing with a softer string and when you went to 4G it felt stiffer. After couple of hours you got used to the new (relative) tension.
You can drop the tension. The lower you go less stiff it will feel, especially on off center hits (your "perceived" sweet spot will get bigger). Benefit of 4G is it doesn't loose much tension, so it plays very similar from the beginning to the end.
TheBoom
Hall of Fame
It’s definitely partially that. I was trying out different strings from toroline, head, and solinco. I really like confidential in the shift which is on the stiffer side. It just felt like a big jump up to 4G. I may try the 16L at the same tension and a 16 at a lower tension to see what I like more. Is the yellow 16L basically the same as the 16? I know the color does change the feel a bit
Blade_X
Professional
Tomorrow it’s the final round of my string testing. I tried many many strings on my blade V9. Lynx tour gets out and 4G bronze gets in…. so it will be against my current favourite string which is Vs Touch 1.30 / 4G 1.25 gold. Gut gives an unmatched dwell time,control,power,feel and plushness….
McEncock
Professional
Even if its the exact same material it could play differently... I heard that luxilon alu power 130 (16) plays very different from 125(16L).
If I were you, Id start with lowering 16g 4G tension ; thinner strings can generate different vibrations and can be even more uncomfortable than thicker ones.
Have fun!
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
Do you like desert bronze 4G better than Alu Power? Can you compare?
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
Why do you prefer 4G over Alu Power?
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
So you think 4G Soft is more powerful than regular 4G?
AndrewUtz
Professional
i think 4g soft is definitely more powerful and better for my game in almost every way. lasts a lot longer than alu power and feels livelier to me.
TennisManiac
Hall of Fame
Wow! That's saying a lot. I guess I'm going to have to get a couple of sets to try out.
AndrewUtz
Professional
4g was a bit tough on the arm but i love 4g soft. searching for a cheaper replacement that is not a highlighter color. Maybe going to try kirschbaum max power rough. I still have quite a bit of my 4g soft reel though.
