4G Rough destroyed my arm

McLovin

Legend
So, quick backstory:
  • I've been playing for almost 40 years (will turn 50 this year).
  • Am a 4.5/5.0 level player with an Eastern forehand and 2 handed backhand.
  • Normally use gut mains/YPTP crosses, but use full poly (Black Code 4S) on clay.
  • Have never ever experienced arm problems in my life.
I was part of the Element Rough playtest and really enjoyed the string. I thought 'hmmm, maybe I've been missing out on this full-poly setup most of my friends use', so decided to give a few of Luxilon's offerings a go. I ordered a couple sets of 4G, 4G Rough, 4G Soft, and normal Element.

My first try, right out of the gates was full bed of 4G Rough. I strung it at 48lbs in my Fischer Black Granite Pro No 1. I played 3 sets of doubles that night: The 1st & 3rd with 4G Rough, the middle set w/ the Element Rough (for comparison).

I really loved the way the 4G Rough played, even better than the Element Rough. I thought 'this is what I've been missing out on all these years!'. Then I woke the next morning with my arm screaming in pain, right around the elbow.

I iced it, took some ibuprofen, and took a few days off. Went out to play singles 3 days later and used the Element Rough. Next day, arm was slightly sore, but better than the previous day.

The following day I played singles again, only this time I tried the 4G Rough. Arm felt fine during the match, but when I woke the next morning, I realized it was a big mistake. I can barely grip the racquet, and anything that resembles a backhand volley practically brings me to my knees in pain. 5 days later, and even everyday things, such as pulling my seat belt on causes pain.

My question is: Has anyone else experienced this? It has to be the string, because that is the only difference between setups. Same frame, same conditions (indoor hard court). I haven't done anything outside of tennis that would have caused this.

The real scary thing is...4G Rough is like Meth. I know it will ruin me, but I'm seriously thinking of ways I could use it...maybe hybrid it w/ 4G Soft? I don't want to do the poly/multi thing. If that's the case, I'd just stick w/ my gut/poly mix (I string my own frames, so cost really isn't an issue).
 
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hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Is the pain on the outside of your elbow? That’s Tennis Elbow.
I believe that if the pain is on the inside of your elbow, it is called Golfers Elbow.

Because you didn’t have it before with the same racquet, it is very probably the strings.

I got TE in 2009, playing too much with poly strings.
The bad news is I still have a lingering case. The good news is it can be managed.

Right now, you need to rest it for weeks, then rehab it for months.
 

Notirouswithag

Professional
Can you tell us more about:

tenision?
full bed?
racquet?

I'm an avid user of 4g rough in a hybrid as main strings but I usually string it between 52-54 in my Blade 98L and havent experienced any problems yet
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Here are the rules that have worked for me:
1) use polys only in hybrids (with gut or very soft multis)
2) use very soft polys only (below 200 on RSI)
3) use thin gauge strings
4) keep racquet stiffness under 66
5) do not use 18 x 20 stringbed racquets
6) always do hand and arm stretches before playing
7) wear an arm brace (Band-It is a good one).


Good luck. (Maybe you’ll have better luck than I did.)
 
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Notirouswithag

Professional
oops sorry I misread,

looking up specs it seems on the soft side for the RA rating, with the strings that low maybe the vibration on off center hits killed your arm
 

McLovin

Legend
Is the pain on the outside of your elbow?
Outside of arm, pain starts around an inch above and towards the hand (holding my arm out straight, palm down).

Technically I don't think its tennis elbow as that is an overuse injury (see https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/tennis-elbow#1), and this was not due to overuse as I first felt the pain after playing only 1 1/2 hours of doubles, and hadn't played for 4 days prior (I've played 5 consecutive days as recently as two weeks prior with absolutely no pain).
 

McLovin

Legend
oops sorry I misread,

looking up specs it seems on the soft side for the RA rating, with the strings that low maybe the vibration on off center hits killed your arm
No worries. I've been known to glance over a long post or two in the past...

As far as off-center hits and vibration, I normally string my full poly setup in the mid-upper 40s and have had no issues in the past. I last played full poly over Xmas on the clay in FL, with one of my Black Granites strung w/ Black Code, and the other w/ RPM Blast. No issues, and I played 4 days of singles in a row, as well as some doubles.

Maybe the 4G Rough transmits more shock/vibration than polys?

Again...what's got me worried most is that I really, really liked that setup. I'm almost positive that is what killed my arm, but yet I'm still thinking of ways I can use it. Just wondering if anyone else has experience it, and if so, did they try alternatives that worked.
 

Username_

Hall of Fame
No worries. I've been known to glance over a long post or two in the past...

As far as off-center hits and vibration, I normally string my full poly setup in the mid-upper 40s and have had no issues in the past. I last played full poly over Xmas on the clay in FL, with one of my Black Granites strung w/ Black Code, and the other w/ RPM Blast. No issues, and I played 4 days of singles in a row, as well as some doubles.

Maybe the 4G Rough transmits more shock/vibration than polys?

Again...what's got me worried most is that I really, really liked that setup. I'm almost positive that is what killed my arm, but yet I'm still thinking of ways I can use it. Just wondering if anyone else has experience it, and if so, did they try alternatives that worked.
change string. you're def a good enough player to adapt to another poly, otherwise you wouldn't be using poly

don't risk going to the doctors
 
Im 50 playing at much the same level. For me any full bed poly set up most especially strung ≤48 signals trouble for me. Yet I keep one racket strung full poly set up, using it gives me greater pop and length against big hitters but i'll suffer after(rotator cuff/arm). My general set up is full bed multi, works fine depending on whats on the far side of the net.
But yes I can definatly relate although I have zero input on that particular string.
 

Notirouswithag

Professional
No worries. I've been known to glance over a long post or two in the past...

As far as off-center hits and vibration, I normally string my full poly setup in the mid-upper 40s and have had no issues in the past. I last played full poly over Xmas on the clay in FL, with one of my Black Granites strung w/ Black Code, and the other w/ RPM Blast. No issues, and I played 4 days of singles in a row, as well as some doubles.

Maybe the 4G Rough transmits more shock/vibration than polys?

Again...what's got me worried most is that I really, really liked that setup. I'm almost positive that is what killed my arm, but yet I'm still thinking of ways I can use it. Just wondering if anyone else has experience it, and if so, did they try alternatives that worked.
what about trying the 4G rough in a hybrid? Keep it as a main string and find another softer poly/co-poly?
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
Something inflamed the tendons
-you over used it somehow ( repetitive movement on that arm)
-its not likely technique at your level (if thats correct, 4.5, 5.0 ;) )
I developed mine after a summer of stringing for a tenmis camp (lots of rakets, 3x my daily count), and playing a-ton,
I overused it, and im still suffering the effects 1.5yrs latter, but now im able to play again.. its frustrating
im sure the 4g had some part to play, it is a poly after all..
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Outside of arm, pain starts around an inch above and towards the hand (holding my arm out straight, palm down).

Technically I don't think its tennis elbow as that is an overuse injury (see https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/tennis-elbow#1), and this was not due to overuse as I first felt the pain after playing only 1 1/2 hours of doubles, and hadn't played for 4 days prior (I've played 5 consecutive days as recently as two weeks prior with absolutely no pain).
Yes, I believe you are correct: if the pain is an inch or so above your hand, then it is not TE.
 

McLovin

Legend
what about trying the 4G rough in a hybrid? Keep it as a main string and find another softer poly/co-poly?
That is what I was thinking...maybe 4G Soft (not sure how soft it is).
-its not likely technique at your level (if thats correct, 4.5, 5.0 ;) )
lol. Yeah, I know people make claims, but I've been a 4.5 for years & years, with a brief stint at 5.0. I don't play enough USTA to warrant a permanent 5.0 rating. I did, however, make the All TT 4.5 team... (https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/inaugural-all-tt-team-2017-4-5-men.605808/)
Yes, I believe you are correct: if the pain is an inch or so above your hand, then it is not TE.
Sorry, my fault. Bad description. The pain is an inch above the elbow, and an inch in front of the elbow heading in the direction of my hand, not near the hand.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
It was probably the repetitive overuse in that particular set-up.

In my opinion, you should rest it a while.
Then you could try it in a hybrid set-up.
 
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hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Sorry, my fault. Bad description. The pain is an inch above the elbow, and an inch in front of the elbow heading in the direction of my hand, not near the hand.
Uh oh.

My TE pain is not really in my elbow any more. It is just an inch or so below it (toward my hand) in my forearm tendons. (Micro-tears in the tendons is what the doctors called it. Because blood-flow to the tendons is minimal, it takes forever to heal completely.)

(Sorry. In my description, “below” the elbow means toward the hand or closer to the hand than one’s elbow is. “Above” the elbow means towards to the shoulder or closer to the shoulder than one’s elbow is. I hope this makes sense.)
 
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hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Yikes!

“Tennis Industry’s 2015 Stringer of the Year, Julian Li, summed it up in our “Wish List” story for the November/December issue: “My wish is that the tennis industry and string manufacturers develop and promote more high-quality multifilament strings. Polyester strings are not made for the general public. What you end up with is a string that creates tennis elbow and other muscle and joint damage.”

This trend doesn’t help people play more tennis — it helps them get out of the game altogether.

Many agree with Julian’s assessment. In fact, even many string manufacturers agree that while poly strings are beneficial for top players, they are usually not the best choice for recreational players. (See “The Evolution of Poly Strings” in the May 2015 issue of Tennis Industry for more.)“
 
Lose the poly! It's is very high risk and low reward, and only worth it at the highest levels of competition. It's time to re-discover the many (great) alternatives. After much searching and testing, I personally love Monogut ZX in a full bed, but there are many others to try.
 

McLovin

Legend
Again...I don't believe polyester in general is the problem, at least not for me. As stated earlier, I've used other polys in a full bed (Black Code 4S, RPM Blast, YPTP, Element Rough, etc.) in this exact same frame, and have never had an issue. Not even a slight twinge in the arm.

In fact, I had just completed a playtest for the Element Rough, which was approx 8 hours of hitting over a 2 1/2 week period. This was my reasoning for trying the other offerings from Luxilon, because I was so blow away by how comfortable it (Element Rough) was.

What I'm wondering is, has anyone else experienced the same issue with this string in particular? And if so, did you abandon it, or did you hybrid it w/ something else?
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
Yes, that sounds like the spot for TE. 4G is one of the stiffer polys, right?

Wish you a speedy recovery.
 

haqq777

Legend
@McLovin it is most definitely the string. My hitting buddy had the same issue just as you describe and when he researched, he told me his circle of friends had a few facing the same thing. He played DII for a top school in Southwest. I believe he ended up switching altogther. Personally, I'm not a fan of 4G & it's Rough version. Don't like the feel. Anyway, I would suggest ditch the string. Not worth it. Hope you feel better soon.
 

Notirouswithag

Professional
That is what I was thinking...maybe 4G Soft (not sure how soft it is).

lol. Yeah, I know people make claims, but I've been a 4.5 for years & years, with a brief stint at 5.0. I don't play enough USTA to warrant a permanent 5.0 rating. I did, however, make the All TT 4.5 team... (https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/inaugural-all-tt-team-2017-4-5-men.605808/)

Sorry, my fault. Bad description. The pain is an inch above the elbow, and an inch in front of the elbow heading in the direction of my hand, not near the hand.
I love both, I still get great spin abillity from either 4g soft/rough. Ive used both in different hybrids which I found to be super comfortable and arm friendly.

16g 4g rough/17g isospeed cream

16g 4g soft/17g isospeed cream

16g 4g/ 16g wilson NXT

and my current setup, although will be switching back to 4g soft soon:

16g 4g/ 17g Kirschbaum proline Evolution
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Again...I don't believe polyester in general is the problem, at least not for me. As stated earlier, I've used other polys in a full bed (Black Code 4S, RPM Blast, YPTP, Element Rough, etc.) in this exact same frame, and have never had an issue. Not even a slight twinge in the arm.

In fact, I had just completed a playtest for the Element Rough, which was approx 8 hours of hitting over a 2 1/2 week period. This was my reasoning for trying the other offerings from Luxilon, because I was so blow away by how comfortable it (Element Rough) was.

What I'm wondering is, has anyone else experienced the same issue with this string in particular? And if so, did you abandon it, or did you hybrid it w/ something else?
"Again...I don't believe polyester in general is the problem"

It might be now, depending on your particular TE, and if you don't play through it and make it worse. Similar story ... 40+ years of tennis, last 5 before TE with fb RPM @52 ... never a wrist or elbow problem. Until I did. 4.5 player with same strokes no TE, and then TE. I lost 6-8 months from being able to play matches. Poly could very well be a problem for you going forward. I played most of my 2017 tennis with fb multi (velocity) and consider my elbow healed, but degraded. There is now an obvious change in my elbow threshold. I played rpm for 2+ months before restringing, and never a twinge. Now ... even Cream gives me a twinge on mishits.

Just giving you a heads up ... you can turn a minor problem into a major one. The first couple of weeks of tendon healing are very critical. No sense repeating TE advice here ... use search in Health forum. Massage and flexbar
 

McLovin

Legend
@ByeByePoly...yeah, that doesn't sound good. Thanks for the heads-up.

For the record, I've taken this week off, and plan on getting out this Sunday afternoon for a light hit (no points, just casually hitting balls w/ a buddy). I've been icing it every evening, along w/ a few ibuprofen (but not too many...ever since this article came out...gotta be careful). I will revert back to my Gut/YPTP setup and see how it goes.

But damn...that 4G Rough is tempting...
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
@ByeByePoly...yeah, that doesn't sound good. Thanks for the heads-up.

For the record, I've taken this week off, and plan on getting out this Sunday afternoon for a light hit (no points, just casually hitting balls w/ a buddy). I've been icing it every evening, along w/ a few ibuprofen (but not too many...ever since this article came out...gotta be careful). I will revert back to my Gut/YPTP setup and see how it goes.

But damn...that 4G Rough is tempting...
Tendons aren't typical inflamation or robust blood flow, so icing is suspect. If you still have any sharp pain doing any daily activity, don't get near a tennis court. I used hitting tennis balls as part of my rehab, but if I remember, it was after 2 months of no tennis (maybe one month, can't remember for sure ... in one of my tt health TE posts for sure). My sharp pain would happen when I pulled out a dinner plate from 2nd shelf. Probably not a bad test for you. Hold a plate out in front of you with straight arm, and rotate left and right. My rule was "sharp pain ... stop". That ruled out serving for a long time.

Edit: LOL ... remembered what else made my elbow light up early days with TE. Pressing down on aerosol can with index finger. :eek:
 
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seekay

Semi-Pro
4G is particularly stiff, so it makes sense that it would push you over a line where other strings don't. The advice you don't want to hear is to leave it be until you're completely healed.

That said, a number of my customers like a natural gut/4G hybrid, While 4G isn't the most slippery cross string, it's consistent over time, which allows a good return on the investment in gut.

I have a friend who plays full 4G (not rough) at 38/36lb and it seems to work well there. 4G isn't as elastic as other strings and doesn't lose as much tension, so while I haven't tried it myself, it makes sense to me that it's a good low-tension string. Might be worth considering when it's safe to try again.
 

McLovin

Legend
My sharp pain would happen when I pulled out a dinner plate from 2nd shelf. Probably not a bad test for you. Hold a plate out in front of you with straight arm, and rotate left and right. My rule was "sharp pain ... stop". That ruled out serving for a long time.
Ugh. You just described what I'm experiencing. Yeah, the act of gripping something and turning it counter-clockwise causes sharp pain. Not good.

Maybe I'll skip the hit this Sunday...
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Ugh. You just described what I'm experiencing. Yeah, the act of gripping something and turning it counter-clockwise causes sharp pain. Not good.

Maybe I'll skip the hit this Sunday...
Sorry to be the messenger. I just added another test for you ... aerosol can. :p
 

mikeler

Moderator
Mclovin has good technique, it has nothing to do with that and everything to do with his love/hate relationship with the new string. I’ve had a few of those and I’ve learned if it hurts my arm, I cut it out immediately.

An extreme story I know, but I once had a string that I hit exactly 5 balls with. It hurt my arm so bad after switching to it in the middle of a match I just gave up on it right then and there.

The good news is with thousands of strings on the market, there is more than one Excalibur string out there for Sir McLovin. The bad news is that he still has yet to discover it. The fun is in the journey my friend!
 

RobS

Rookie
I've never used rough but standard 4g is the only string that's ever bothered my arm. I play full poly almost exclusively and rarely have issue even with stiff racquets. I strung 4g at 48lbs and my arm was burning a few hours after playing with it. I had a non-tennis related arm issue in my non-dominant arm and it was a long and miserable recovery. As a result, I'm very cautious when I start to feel something isn't right so I cut the 4g out. A couple months later, I went to my 2nd pack of 4g and strung it at 42lbs. It left my arm burning again. While not quite as bad, it was enough for me to abandon thoughts of playing 4g.
 

CopolyX

Hall of Fame
So, quick backstory:
  • I've been playing for almost 40 years (will turn 50 this year).
  • Am a 4.5/5.0 level player with an Eastern forehand and 2 handed backhand.
  • Normally use gut mains/YPTP crosses, but use full poly (Black Code 4S) on clay.
  • Have never ever experienced arm problems in my life.
I was part of the Element Rough playtest and really enjoyed the string. I thought 'hmmm, maybe I've been missing out on this full-poly setup most of my friends use', so decided to give a few of Luxilon's offerings a go. I ordered a couple sets of 4G, 4G Rough, 4G Soft, and normal Element.

My first try, right out of the gates was full bed of 4G Rough. I strung it at 48lbs in my Fischer Black Granite Pro No 1. I played 3 sets of doubles that night: The 1st & 3rd with 4G Rough, the middle set w/ the Element Rough (for comparison).

I really loved the way the 4G Rough played, even better than the Element Rough. I thought 'this is what I've been missing out on all these years!'. Then I woke the next morning with my arm screaming in pain, right around the elbow.

I iced it, took some ibuprofen, and took a few days off. Went out to play singles 3 days later and used the Element Rough. Next day, arm was slightly sore, but better than the previous day.

The following day I played singles again, only this time I tried the 4G Rough. Arm felt fine during the match, but when I woke the next morning, I realized it was a big mistake. I can barely grip the racquet, and anything that resembles a backhand volley practically brings me to my knees in pain. 5 days later, and even everyday things, such as pulling my seat belt on causes pain.

My question is: Has anyone else experienced this? It has to be the string, because that is the only difference between setups. Same frame, same conditions (indoor hard court). I haven't done anything outside of tennis that would have caused this.

The real scary thing is...4G Rough is like Meth. I know it will ruin me, but I'm seriously thinking of ways I could use it...maybe hybrid it w/ 4G Soft? I don't want to do the poly/multi thing. If that's the case, I'd just stick w/ my gut/poly mix (I string my own frames, so cost really isn't an issue).
Well you were warned....the set did have the word "ROUGH"..lol...
But truly sorry, lesson learned...now take care of those arms, wrists, and shoulders...
Find and use what I call a 'smart string bed"......
 
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ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
@McLovin ... giving up 4G is not a loss. I hit with my friends spin Ultra strung with 4G, and gave it back to him immediately. The "G" must stand for "Gross".
 
Just personal preference: I like it a lot when I hybrid guts with 4G: the playability lasted really long. There was 6 hours of window that I played the best tennis ever after the string bed settled down. The string bed then gradually gain power and you begin to lose control, but all manageable...

4G rough is not as good as 4G when hybrid with guts. I felt the stiffness after play with gut/4g rough. I strung gut/4g at 52/48. The only thing preventing me from switching to it is the price. The best substitute i currently use is guts/sppp... hope this helps
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
The problem with 4G is that it rewards attacking tennis. Its normal feel is rough and stiff but provides awesome feedback and feel on hard impacts. Completely addicting when your game is on and playing at the highest level.
 

Yoneyama

Hall of Fame
All the 4G's are probably going to be the same on your arm. I played some of my best and most consistent tennis with 4G in the crosses with Natural Gut, but the pain was unbearable after a very short amount of time. It's a hardcore poly for hardcore professional players with extremely good conditioning. In my opinion it is not suitable for non-professionals!
 

McLovin

Legend
Buy natural gut then.
As I said in my initial post, my normal setup is 17g Tough Gut/YPTP, but I was experimenting w/ other polys.
4G rough is not as good as 4G when hybrid with guts. I felt the stiffness after play with gut/4g rough. I strung gut/4g at 52/48. The only thing preventing me from switching to it is the price. The best substitute i currently use is guts/sppp... hope this helps
Yeah, I bought 2 packs of the Rough and had planned on (a) using 1/2 in a gut/4G hybrid, as well as a 4G Rough/4G Soft hybrid. Full bed of 4G Rough was my first attempt, and now I'm down for the count for at least a week, maybe more. Gut/SPPP was a nice setup, but then I found YPTP and just gelled with it.
All the 4G's are probably going to be the same on your arm. I played some of my best and most consistent tennis with 4G in the crosses with Natural Gut, but the pain was unbearable after a very short amount of time. It's a hardcore poly for hardcore professional players with extremely good conditioning. In my opinion it is not suitable for non-professionals!
Yeah, I'm beginning to realize that. I also bought a pack of Element regular and used 1/2 in a gut/Element hybrid and 1/2 in a Element Rough/Element hybrid. I really liked Element for the short period I used it, as well as the Element Rough. But I'll have to wait a while before giving it another go.

Honestly, there is no real reason for me to switch from my gut/YPTP setup that I've been using for over 3 years now. It was that Element Rough playtest that got me thinking I would experiment a little. No real plan, other than to test the waters and see how these things played. The last thing I expected was to toast my arm in the process...
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Tendons aren't typical inflamation or robust blood flow, so icing is suspect. If you still have any sharp pain doing any daily activity, don't get near a tennis court. I used hitting tennis balls as part of my rehab, but if I remember, it was after 2 months of no tennis (maybe one month, can't remember for sure ... in one of my tt health TE posts for sure). My sharp pain would happen when I pulled out a dinner plate from 2nd shelf. Probably not a bad test for you. Hold a plate out in front of you with straight arm, and rotate left and right. My rule was "sharp pain ... stop". That ruled out serving for a long time.

Edit: LOL ... remembered what else made my elbow light up early days with TE. Pressing down on aerosol can with index finger. :eek:
This brought me back to my TE which was a perfect storm of taking the week off plaing 4 days in a row all the while doing a week long spray painting project.

Fwiw I agree about ice being suspect. For me Icing things made it worse and heat helped. At least after a certain time. You need blood flow and heat delivers that. Also I would wrap the elbow with neoprene to keep it warm at night That seemed to accelerate healing

Stretching is key too. Got to do it as you get old.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
This brought me back to my TE which was a perfect storm of taking the week off plaing 4 days in a row all the while doing a week long spray painting project.

Fwiw I agree about ice being suspect. For me Icing things made it worse and heat helped. At least after a certain time. You need blood flow and heat delivers that. Also I would wrap the elbow with neoprene to keep it warm at night That seemed to accelerate healing

Stretching is key too. Got to do it as you get old.
Who is old? :mad:

My comment about ice being suspect for TE was based on articles I read on TE. I never used it, except when I started hitting again for rehab/pt. The friend I started hitting with was a vet ... and he was very sure I should after our hits. I did it for him, but like one ice cube for 5 minutes.
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Who is old? :mad:

My comment about ice being suspect for TE was based on articles I read on TE. I never used it, except when I started hitting again for rehab/pt. The friend I started hitting with was a vet ... and he was very sure I should after our hits. I did it for him, but like one ice cube for 5 minutes.
With that kind of effort we really could be friends!!

For me it just made my muscle tighter which pulled more on the tendon.
 

mikeler

Moderator
Ice the elbow after you play (I'm not religious about ice). Heat before, sleeves work great for this with GE or TE.

Written by someone out of tennis until summer with an ice bag on their knee right now.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Ice the elbow after you play (I'm not religious about ice). Heat before, sleeves work great for this with GE or TE.

Written by someone out of tennis until summer with an ice bag on their knee right now.
What's wrong with the knee? You didn't think someone my age could read that font.
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Ugh. You just described what I'm experiencing. Yeah, the act of gripping something and turning it counter-clockwise causes sharp pain. Not good.

Maybe I'll skip the hit this Sunday...
Good plan. You definitely don’t want to make it worse, before it can start healing.

One thing the PTs told me was if you lift anything with your tennis arm, try to keep the elbow as close to the body as possible.

Good luck and good healing!
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
So, quick backstory:
  • I've been playing for almost 40 years (will turn 50 this year).
  • Am a 4.5/5.0 level player with an Eastern forehand and 2 handed backhand.
  • Normally use gut mains/YPTP crosses, but use full poly (Black Code 4S) on clay.
  • Have never ever experienced arm problems in my life.
I was part of the Element Rough playtest and really enjoyed the string. I thought 'hmmm, maybe I've been missing out on this full-poly setup most of my friends use', so decided to give a few of Luxilon's offerings a go. I ordered a couple sets of 4G, 4G Rough, 4G Soft, and normal Element.

My first try, right out of the gates was full bed of 4G Rough. I strung it at 48lbs in my Fischer Black Granite Pro No 1. I played 3 sets of doubles that night: The 1st & 3rd with 4G Rough, the middle set w/ the Element Rough (for comparison).

I really loved the way the 4G Rough played, even better than the Element Rough. I thought 'this is what I've been missing out on all these years!'. Then I woke the next morning with my arm screaming in pain, right around the elbow.

I iced it, took some ibuprofen, and took a few days off. Went out to play singles 3 days later and used the Element Rough. Next day, arm was slightly sore, but better than the previous day.

The following day I played singles again, only this time I tried the 4G Rough. Arm felt fine during the match, but when I woke the next morning, I realized it was a big mistake. I can barely grip the racquet, and anything that resembles a backhand volley practically brings me to my knees in pain. 5 days later, and even everyday things, such as pulling my seat belt on causes pain.

My question is: Has anyone else experienced this? It has to be the string, because that is the only difference between setups. Same frame, same conditions (indoor hard court). I haven't done anything outside of tennis that would have caused this.

The real scary thing is...4G Rough is like Meth. I know it will ruin me, but I'm seriously thinking of ways I could use it...maybe hybrid it w/ 4G Soft? I don't want to do the poly/multi thing. If that's the case, I'd just stick w/ my gut/poly mix (I string my own frames, so cost really isn't an issue).
4G is supposed to be softer poly... but when I did playtest it, it didn't feel soft at all,,, felt very stiff and harsh, acutally., so I knew right away, it would be bad for the arm
 

pennc94

Professional
As I said in my initial post, my normal setup is 17g Tough Gut/YPTP, but I was experimenting w/ other polys.

Yeah, I bought 2 packs of the Rough and had planned on (a) using 1/2 in a gut/4G hybrid, as well as a 4G Rough/4G Soft hybrid. Full bed of 4G Rough was my first attempt, and now I'm down for the count for at least a week, maybe more. Gut/SPPP was a nice setup, but then I found YPTP and just gelled with it.

Yeah, I'm beginning to realize that. I also bought a pack of Element regular and used 1/2 in a gut/Element hybrid and 1/2 in a Element Rough/Element hybrid. I really liked Element for the short period I used it, as well as the Element Rough. But I'll have to wait a while before giving it another go.

Honestly, there is no real reason for me to switch from my gut/YPTP setup that I've been using for over 3 years now. It was that Element Rough playtest that got me thinking I would experiment a little. No real plan, other than to test the waters and see how these things played. The last thing I expected was to toast my arm in the process...
I'm confused. So your experiment was a full set of 4G rough or a hybrid? I think you stated it was a full set of 4G rough. This poster recommended trying natural gut and 4G rough hybrid.
There are so many variables it might be the string but could be almost anything else.
Rest it before you attempt to play again.


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McLovin

Legend
I'm confused. So your experiment was a full set of 4G rough or a hybrid? I think you stated it was a full set of 4G rough. This poster recommended trying natural gut and 4G rough hybrid.
There are so many variables it might be the string but could be almost anything else.
Rest it before you attempt to play again.
My experiment was going to be a multitude of combinations (I string my own frames, and have multiples of the same frame, so I have the convenience of goofing around here & there). I started with a full bed of 4G Rough, but had planned on putting both 4G Rough and 4G 'normal' in gut/poly hybrids, as well as possibly a 4G Rough/4G hybrid, and maybe even a 4G Rough/4G Soft hybrid (I didn't specifically mention gut/poly hybrids in my initial post).

I understand that there are many variables, except in this case, there was only a single thing changed: 4G Rough. I've used these frames in the following setups over the past few months:
Tough Gut/YPTP (54lbs/52lbs)
Black Code 4S (48lbs)
RPM Blast (48lbs)
Element Rough (part of the TW playtest, 45lbs)​

Nothing, not even a twinge. Then I play 2 sets of doubles w/ the 4G Rough, and BAM! pain.
 

pennc94

Professional
Perhaps you altered your technique this instance. Perhaps it was building up to this point and any string would have done it.


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