VCT is very soft for a poly, ball pocketing is great. It does however lose it’s gear shape quite quickly so it ends up playing like a round poly after ~4 hrs of hard hitting. Another thing I noticed was that, it feels significantly heavier than other strings such as tourna s7t or natural gut. It almost feels like leaded up natural gut...all the softness but much heavier. I use it as a hybrid with VCT 16g mains/SPPP 17L crosses strung 44/42 in my VCP 100. I am a 4.5 hard hitting aggressive baseliner.
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Why are you posting here, you are just a 4.5er!!! Come join me and other lesser players in the general, non-discriminatory What Strings Do You Play With thread
You bougie enuff to be hereim closer to 5.0 than 3.0 so I wouldnt see the point to comparing strings with hacks that don’t have similar fundamentals of high swing speed/advanced technique.
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Same frame as you. But I am not a 5.0
Revolution is one of the three or four strings I always put in a 4.5 guys frame when they are testing new setups.
Alu Power 1.25mm
Revolution or Hyper G 1.25mm (Blue vs Green)..
Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.30mm
Thanks for reminding me. I need to give Gravity a try again soon. Loved it back when it came out.Happily I’ve stumbled across Head Gravity Hybrid as it appears Luxilon is phasing out BB Ace 18!!!
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Thanks for reminding me. I need to give Gravity a try again soon. Loved it back when it came out.
VCT is very soft for a poly, ball pocketing is great. It does however lose it’s gear shape quite quickly so it ends up playing like a round poly after ~4 hrs of hard hitting. Another thing I noticed was that, it feels significantly heavier than other strings such as tourna s7t or natural gut. It almost feels like leaded up natural gut...all the softness but much heavier. I use it as a hybrid with VCT 16g mains/SPPP 17L crosses strung 44/42 in my VCP 100. I am a 4.5 hard hitting aggressive baseliner.
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20' of each string (just grabbed a few reels I would be stringing soon)
Solinco Hyper G 1.30mm 12 grams
Head Velocity Black 1.30mm 10 grams
Technifibre HDX Tour 1.35mm 8 grams
Alu Power 1.25mm 8 grams
VCT 1.30mm 8 grams
So VCT 1.30mm is lighter than two of the 1.30mm strings and weighs the same as 20' of 1.25mm Alu Power
I have two dozen plus reels including various polys and reels of X1 BI-phase, NRG2, Head Velocity, Head FXP, PPC in three gauges, Babolat Origin, Babolat Syngut, but have never gotten any feedback from any of the dozen plus men using 1.30 VCT that is feels heavier than any other string they use. One of those 5.0 guys used 13 oz frames after adding weight to them.
The HDX Tour was a 40' pack cut in half then the other strings were cut off of reels after measuring 20' against the HDX Tour 20' length
any idea how much 20’ natural gut or tourna silver 7 tour 17g weighs? (that’s my only reference point)
Merry Christmas!!!I can weigh both when I get home Dec 24th. Merry Christmas
Natural gut being non-durable is a common misconception. Although not as durable as polyester based strings, it outlasts multis & syn gut every time. What's more, you get great feel, excellent tension maintenance, and you don't have to break your fingers cutting it out of your frame with poultry shears...Oh and I almost forgot, it's easy on the arm, too (will increase your playing longevity).For that kind of social mixed doubles you could just as wel use your wifes frying pan. Much cheaper too than stringing up super expensive gut that breaks even while looking at it.
I dont understand this love for Volkl cyclone at all. Here in Europe a reel of it costs as much as Babolat rpm blast while cyclone tour costs even more!
Twu data doesnt attribute much power or spinpotential to the regular cyclone either if you dont use the super thin gauges.
So isnt it mostly hype and hear say?
The pros arent it using too while they fo use rgegular rpm blast which is often bashed on this forum for no obvious reason.
Cyclone is very average. Doesn't do anything particularly well and feels plasticy.
J
any idea how much 20’ natural gut or tourna silver 7 tour 17g weighs? (that’s my only reference point)
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I concur , natural gut is The perfect blend of control power and durability.Natural gut being non-durable is a common misconception. Although not as durable as polyester based strings, it outlasts multis & syn gut every time. What's more, you get great feel, excellent tension maintenance, and you don't have to break your fingers cutting it out of your frame with poultry shears...Oh and I almost forgot, it's easy on the arm, too (will increase your playing longevity).
By the same logic, why waste 99 bucks on a reel of BHB7 when you can get Isospeed Baseline reel for less than half of that? It costs like 39 bucks or 40 bucks a reel and plays like a very avg poly.But honestly, if you are just looking for a cheap poly that will die after 1-2 sessions, I am not sure why you would choose cyclone when BHB7 is available.
Have to draw the line somewhere I guess, lol. Honestly though, Baseline is great for the price too, just doesn't perform as well overall and for me lacks control if I take big cuts at the ball. Also, dies very very fast.By the same logic, why waste 99 bucks on a reel of BHB7 when you can get Isospeed Baseline reel for less than half of that? It costs like 39 bucks or 40 bucks a reel and plays like a very avg poly.
My club pro is a USTA rated 5.0 former college player, hits the crap out of the ball, and switched from BHB7 very recently actually. Isospeed Baseline lasts him the same as BHB7. He snaps the 17 so gets the 16 gauge think its called the Baseline Control. Way better bang for the buck if goal is to use for 1-2 hard hitting sessions.
I like crisp feeling poly strings that have great ball pocketing.... and when strung at the right tension (for me) VCT16 is perfect for my all court game. FWIW...I tried VCT17 and it was not nearly as good. I've used almost all top rated poly strings and they are either too dull and plastic feeling or they are too harsh for my taste. ALU feels nice for a couple of hours and then fades to dullness. My second favorite string is Hyper G. BTW...I'm a 4.5 now in my old ageWhat other strings have you tried? Why do you prefer VCT?
I play out of Mt. Pleasant...mostly MP Rec and Snee...and FWIW... I'm no longer a "real" 5.0. I rated down to 4.5 when I hit 50y. Now that I'm in my late 50's I like a string with a little extra controllable pop like VCT16. Hyper G 1.25 also plays well but I just like the feel and sound of VCT16 better. FWIW2...I can't play with VCT17. It's just way too lively for me and losses tension even faster.@rooski what part of CHS are you playing out of ?
I see many of these 5.0 guys battling it out in the singles ladder. All those guys playing singles helps them break strings quicker and gets me more business from them. Really good group of players in that ladder.
Cohen has a slap tear in his shoulder and will have surgery in Jan. He also plays with a Pure Storm Tour VCT @ 50 lbs . He is the guy who got me connected to so many 4.5 /5.0 guys so thankful to him.
I play out of Mt. Pleasant...mostly MP Rec and Snee...and FWIW... I'm no longer a "real" 5.0. I rated down to 4.5 when I hit 50y. Now that I'm in my late 50's I like a string with a little extra controllable pop like VCT16. Hyper G 1.25 also plays well but I just like the feel and sound of VCT16 better. FWIW2...I can't play with VCT17. It's just way too lively for me and losses tension even faster.
On paper... Ultra Cable looks like the better string.Out of curiosity I compared WC Ultra Cable, my current string, and VCT on TWU string comparison tool. They are quite close actually. The VCT is a little less stiff, has a bit more tension loss, and somewhat less spin potential according to the numbers. I suspect I would like it. I may try it when my reel of WCUC runs out. I think I'm up to 3 strings to try now. I'm going to try to limit it to four only. It's easy to get into perpetual string demo mode if not careful.
Property Volkl Cyclone Tour 16 (1.30) Weiss Cannon Ultra Cable 17 (1.23) Difference % Material Polyester Polyester NA Stiffness (lb/in) 167 175 5 Tension Loss (%) 52 48 -8 Energy Return (%) 83 83 0 Spin Potential 8.7 11.9 37 String to String Friction (COF) 0.068 0.065 -4 String to Ball Friction (COF) 0.592 0.774 31
On paper... Ultra Cable looks like the better string.
20' of Lux 1.30mm, Lux 1.25mm and Babolat VS Touch 1.30mm all 10 grams (or 20 grams per pack)
One 1.25mm pack of Tourna Big Hitter 7 Tour 18 grams (40' of string)
One 1.30mm pack of Volkl Cyclone Tour 1.30mm 22 grams (This pack is actually 1' or 12" longer than the pack of Tourna Big Hitter 7). 42' of string vs 40'
One 1.28mm pack of Isospeed Cream 18 grams
One 1.30mm pack of Technifibre HDX Tour 20 grams
Any of you guys know of any round polys that don’t go dead within 10 hours?
My question is specifically for round polys. I have shaped polys that last longer for me.Probably polys with low tension loss on the database. Like RPM Team, for example (I know it's not a round poly).
Poly Tour Strike seems to go more around the 12-15 hour mark before feeling like a boardAny of you guys know of any round polys that don’t go dead within 10 hours?
My stringer wants me to try Poly Tour Fire next instead of Poly Tour Pro or Poly Tour Strike because he knows I like the extra comfort. Any thoughts on PTF compared to PTS?Poly Tour Strike seems to go more around the 12-15 hour mark before feeling like a board
Best for me is Signum Pro Poly Plasma PureAny of you guys know of any round polys that don’t go dead within 10 hours?
My stringer wants me to try Poly Tour Fire next instead of Poly Tour Pro or Poly Tour Strike because he knows I like the extra comfort. Any thoughts on PTF compared to PTS?
TTW convinced me to try gut/round poly hybrids instead of gut/shaped poly hybrids (I like VS/HyperG) as the round poly is supposed to not cause notching as much and last longer before breaking. But, the round poly always goes dead within 8-10 hours in hybrids while I typically don’t break VS/HyperG hybrids before 12-15 hours. So, I am thinking that I should be like the Bryan bros and stick with gut/HyperG.
Could it not be the round poly but the round poly you used that was at issue?
Round or shaped if a poly is not good at holding tension then it is not good at holding tension....