5.2 Millions watched the women's final
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Here's what I posted earlier -- funny all the "serena is more popular than the murray/djok" crowd chose not to address it:
I was at the USO, paid 3x the price for the mens SF and finals as they were sold out even before the tournament began; after the Djoker SF, the USTA was calling on fans to buy tickets to the Serena/Azarenka finals, as they were still available (this is few hrs before the finals!!). I think that's an accurate representation of the interest level of fans.
of all reasons, to me, the one by cknobman makes the most sense (dvr set to record men's final on sunday). plus, men's tennis played on a weekday didn't help matters.
I was at the USO, paid 3x the price for the mens SF and finals as they were sold out even before the tournament began; after the Djoker SF, the USTA was calling on fans to buy tickets to the Serena/Azarenka finals, as they were still available (this is few hrs before the finals!!). I think that's an accurate representation of the interest level of fans.
of all reasons, to me, the one by cknobman makes the most sense (dvr set to record men's final on sunday). plus, men's tennis played on a weekday didn't help matters.
Probably true, there are so much guys who just want to collect some pictures of kournikova, Sharapova's ass... As proves one of the most popular thread in this forum http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=87961
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Yet there's more Serena-related threads (for just about anything) or trolls starting anti-WTA threads, perv-on-player threads than one can count. If the WTA could be disregarded to the degree suggested by some, then said threads would not exist at all....
...unless it just proves the long-known point about this board being overpopulated by trolls and their alternate user accounts.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
I doubt it is for that reason alone, as one can find pics like that all over the 'net without stopping by a tennis forum.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You are basing your theories on a time when tennis was much more popular in the US and that was largely due to Americans. So, a bit of work to do still.
Wrong--as the highly rated 2012 Wimbledon men's final (no Americans) is recent; the Rafter final simply proves the pattern is seen throughout history, so again, the nationalism argument is false.
What you say doesn't take anything out of the nationalism argument, what you fail to understandand (or do you just fake it) is that if nationalism is an indisputable factor that really has an impact on TV ratings, IT IS NOT THE ONLY ONE FACTOR to have an impact on the TV ratings, so it is useless to compare 2 events in the way you do to conclude that nationalism has no impact, it has an impact it is indisputable but simply sometimes there are other combined factors that have higher impacts on the tv rating than just nationalism.
For your point to be right, it would mean that out of the 300 000 000 of americans, with most of them who don't care much about tennis, 0 of them are in the case of beeing attracted in front of their TV by the presence of an american player in match that otherwise they wouldn't have watched if the match would have been without american, would you seriously maintain this?
If one can find pics of women tennis players all over the net, isn't a tennis forum supposed to be the place where it will be the easiest to find some and so where someone will logically use to search if he wants some?.
And who said that was the only one reason? Do you just live in a binary world?
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vandre
Hall of Fame
i think it's more likely that people tuned in expecting to see the men's final...:twisted:
jt1224x0
Rookie
Thank you! the men's final was a bore-fest
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
No, as female tennis players are celebrities, and are treated as such on innumerable celeb photo sites...so once again, no one needs to go to a tennis board if they're seeking images of female players.
And who said that was the only one reason? Do you just live in a binary world?[/QUOTE]
Your accusation flies in the face of its use in relation to "binary" in the formal or informal.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
It is easy to refute your statements, because you--and others here--attempt to reject the rock that is repeated historical precedence where high ratings and all-foreign majors finals were concerned.
Historical patterns are not born from coincidence.
To continue, for anyone to start off in rejection mode of the oft-stated history leads me to conclude that this fact-challenged little group realizes said history cannot be rewritten to fit into the completely false "Serena only gets high ratings with U.S. audience because of her nationality" narrative, which I will remind you that none of this group have stepped up to provide evidence to support the argument (otherwise, it would have appeared days ago--on page 1). There's a reason for that lack of data, but it has more to do with certain members' pathological hated of Serena, than some "oversight" in the "quest of truth" (pure comedy).
Maybe you want to visit this site, they have many cool pictures.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=341587
Nobodody said it was needed to go on a tennis board to find images of female players, but it is still logically the best place to go for for someone who wants to find thoses kind of images, so tennis forums are boosted by the need for some peoples to find some female players pictures. This thread proves my point http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=6908188#post6908188, since it is one of the most popular thread of the tennis warehouse forum, it means the presence of female pictures in that thread boost the audience of this message board, and I wait with impatience to see how you will as usual distord the facts to declare that the kind of threads I've linked above have no impact on the the fact that threads related to female tennis are popular on the tennis message boards.
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Nobody said that all-foreign majors can't obtain high audience in a country, are you just blind or do you fake to believe that someone said that? so I repeat once again, nationalism does have an impact on TV ratings, but there are many other factors than nationalism that have also positive or negative impacts on TV ratings, so when you see a good audience for an all foreign Final, it can't be used to say "nationalism have no impact", and for all the exemples of all-foreign finals that obtain high ratings, just imagine how much higher these ratings would have been if these finals would have beeen played by the same players but with just one of them who would have been american instead of his nationality of origin, imagine for exemple that steffi Graf would have been american, and imagine on the other side if Serena williams would have been Austrian instead of american, but I guess that I'm stupid to ask you this effort of imagination because you will say anyway that it wouldn't change anything on the TV ratings...
No they are born for multiple reasons, and anyway historical patterns actually proves that events with countrymen usually obtain higher TV ratings than event without countrymen, there are many exceptions to that rule, but they are only exceptions, not the rule, and it amazes me how to prove your points, you list some exceptions and act like if they were the usual rule by omiting to list the many more figures that prove that you are wrong.
As ususal you distord the truth :
1/ I didn't see anybody saying that Serena ONLY gets high ratings with U.S. audience because of her nationality
I only saw peoples saying that her nationality has a positive impact on U.S. TV audience, which is a totally different thing than saying "Serena ONLY gets high ratings with U.S. audience because of her nationality"
Of course nobody provided evidence of that, simply because they don't have to, since as I said above, nobody said "Serena only gets high ratings with U.S. audience because of her nationality", on the other hand, since the begining of this thread multiple evidences that nationalism have an impact on TV ratings have been posted, but of course you won't aknowledge that.
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Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
I am happy that the WTAs popularity is not as low as people on this forum make it seem.
However, I think the US Open has been begging for low ratings for the past 5 years. Seriously, 4 p.m start on a Monday? The 2010 final was very entertaining, but it was a disaster as far as T.V. coverage was concerned. Monday start, rain delayed, and CBS decides to not show the conclusion of the match and allow the remainder of the match to be played on ESPN2.
They did not even show the trophy presentation that year. They just cut right to the pre-game show of a college football game.
However, I think the US Open has been begging for low ratings for the past 5 years. Seriously, 4 p.m start on a Monday? The 2010 final was very entertaining, but it was a disaster as far as T.V. coverage was concerned. Monday start, rain delayed, and CBS decides to not show the conclusion of the match and allow the remainder of the match to be played on ESPN2.
They did not even show the trophy presentation that year. They just cut right to the pre-game show of a college football game.
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It's great that the women's final got such excellent ratings.
However let's face it those high ratings were due to the popularity and star appeal of Serena, and not women's tennis as a whole. I doubt that many of the people who tuned in cared about who Serena's opponent was.
In fact Azarenka has been described as one of the most anonymous world no. 1 players in WTA history, often giving interviews in front of near empty press conference rooms. Plus she is hugely unpopular with crowds all over the world for obvious noise-related reasons.
Serena is the TV draw and the attraction. Even Sharapova who is also a genuine star got very poor TV ratings in the US for her fairly recent slam finals against Kvitova, Azarenka and Errani. However her Olympic final against Serena got excellent TV ratings. Go figure.
When Serena and Venus do eventually retire, women's tennis is going to decline drastically in popularity in the US, and be in terrible shape. Despite the huge number of players from Eastern Europe in the top 10/20/50 etc, women's tennis is not exactly hugely popular in many of those countries either, with Eurosport losing interest in the WTA.
Russia's home Fed Cup ties and the Kremlin Cup tournament in Moscow were often played in front of a sea of empty seats, despite Russia being such a powerhouse in women's tennis over the previous decade.
However let's face it those high ratings were due to the popularity and star appeal of Serena, and not women's tennis as a whole. I doubt that many of the people who tuned in cared about who Serena's opponent was.
In fact Azarenka has been described as one of the most anonymous world no. 1 players in WTA history, often giving interviews in front of near empty press conference rooms. Plus she is hugely unpopular with crowds all over the world for obvious noise-related reasons.
Serena is the TV draw and the attraction. Even Sharapova who is also a genuine star got very poor TV ratings in the US for her fairly recent slam finals against Kvitova, Azarenka and Errani. However her Olympic final against Serena got excellent TV ratings. Go figure.
When Serena and Venus do eventually retire, women's tennis is going to decline drastically in popularity in the US, and be in terrible shape. Despite the huge number of players from Eastern Europe in the top 10/20/50 etc, women's tennis is not exactly hugely popular in many of those countries either, with Eurosport losing interest in the WTA.
Russia's home Fed Cup ties and the Kremlin Cup tournament in Moscow were often played in front of a sea of empty seats, despite Russia being such a powerhouse in women's tennis over the previous decade.
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