5.5” for 2hbh just ain’t right for a tennis player

[ByeByePoly]

We just measured our 2hbh grip on the tennis racquet. Wife just short of 7” … I am right at 7”. So … that means 2hbh off hand will be up in the throat area on a Pickleball paddle. I of course already knew this … because I am in charge of the house tennis racquet tournagrip xl wrapping.

Went and checked this … yep … that is one crowded grip.



So if you are looking for a paddle for a 2hbh … you need to think grip length AND throat shape.

Here is an example … Prince paddle below has a 5.5” grip and almost no narrow throat. Head paddle has 5” grip with a graduated narrow throat. Which one actually has more room for 2hbh … who knows? My take is if you are looking for max 2hbh grip room … then you want a paddle with max grip length and a paddle with some narrow throat.

What say you 2hbh Pickleball peeps?

 

[djNEiGht]

I'm a 1H player but have the Gravity LH model. I like the feedback of this paddle and prob would have enjoyed the standard handle version. But I do see/hear you on the 2HBH needs.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I'm a 1H player but have the Gravity LH model. I like the feedback of this paddle and prob would have enjoyed the standard handle version. But I do see/hear you on the 2HBH needs.

Wife hits a tennis 2hbh … I played all of my tennis years with 1hbh until recent 2hbh. I most likely will never hit a 2hbh in Pickleball (we will see) but wife will, and my plan is to buy us two paddles the same. Therefore … my 2hbh question/thoughts.

Those two paddle pics were not by chance … I’m leaning toward Prince or Head. I have no interest in playing the yearly $200 paddle grit wears off game … so I like the idea of moderate priced paddles from someone with years of quality tennis racquet experience.

Checked your gravity specs … 5 3/4” handle, 15 3/4 length … very good. It seems like the head paddles, Radical, are generally 16ish inch length, 5-5 3/4 inch handles. Good to hear positive feedback on Head paddle. Did you hit with any other Head paddles … Radical in particular? The Prince Response Pro has 5.5” handle.

I played control moderate spin tennis … I would be surprised if I ever want crazy spin in Pickleball even if I find some singles play. I would be more interested in it feels solid and I’m hitting to targets than the spin wars race. It also occurs to me that unlike tennis … you may actually want two paddles … one for kitchen doubles, and a different paddle for singles. My guess is the big sweet spot Prince might be our best choice for kitchen dubs.

 

[djNEiGht]

@ByeByePoly
I had the Extreme model which I ended up gifting away. It was nice but I have found that I don't like thin core paddles. Medium paddles for me. I haven't tried the Diadem Warrior but I have a Warrior Edge) which are thicker core paddles. I'll try and hit with a Radical sometime as we have some in the pro shop.

 

[ByeByePoly]

@ByeByePoly
I had the Extreme model which I ended up gifting away. It was nice but I have found that I don't like thin core paddles. Medium paddles for me. I haven't tried the Diadem Warrior but I have a Warrior Edge) which are thicker core paddles. I'll try and hit with a Radical sometime as we have some in the pro shop.

That would be awesome. I watched a positive review about the $150 Radical Tour CO paddle …. great spin. But since I’m less concerned about spin … guessing maybe get similar solid play out of all Head paddles. My only frame of reference on thickness is our starter paddles … 16mm … 5/8” … and nothing makes me think much thinner.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I'm a 1H player but have the Gravity LH model. I like the feedback of this paddle and prob would have enjoyed the standard handle version. But I do see/hear you on the 2HBH needs.

fyi … most likely will join you as a LH Gravity brother. Watched several reviews … checks off a lot of boxes. Probably get the lighter one for wife, and heavier for me. (one weight … 7.9 oz). Now selling for $100 … should be good for us as we break into doubles. Thanks for input.

 

[TripleB]

CRBN1 (16mm for power and touch/ 13mm for power) - long paddle, long grip, grit doesn't wear off! Trust me, when you hit returns that your opponents hit straight into the net because of your crazy spin, you'll love all of the freebie points you receive!

I used to use the 16mm for dubs and the 13mm for singles, but the new version of the 16mm has a bit more pop than the old version so I use the 16mm for both singles and dubs.

https://crbnpickleball.com/collecti...addles/products/crbn-1-best-pickleball-paddle

TripleB

 

[ByeByePoly]

CRBN1 (16mm for power and touch/ 13mm for power) - long paddle, long grip, grit doesn't wear off! Trust me, when you hit returns that your opponents hit straight into the net because of your crazy spin, you'll love all of the freebie points you receive!

I used to use the 16mm for dubs and the 13mm for singles, but the new version of the 16mm has a bit more pop than the old version so I use the 16mm for both singles and dubs.

https://crbnpickleball.com/collecti...addles/products/crbn-1-best-pickleball-paddle

TripleB

morning Triple I have read your pb posts … looks like you came from tennis and have hit every good Pickleball paddle. My guess is my spec preferences will end be very close to yours … with the possible exception of how much spin I end up wanting.

I like everything about that paddle … specs (I really want the 16 1/2”) and looks … except for price. Maybe later.

Following is my current guesses watching different levels of Pickleball youtube videos observing based on my tennis singles and doubles playing style. I reserve the right for everything I guess below to be 100% wrong after actually playing more.

- I don’t see spin mattering much in doubles … particularly the mixed I will play with wife
- my guess is if I find some singles play, I will want some spin but not max. Not talking about serve or ros … I would be able to hit enough bh slice ros with smooth fiberglass. I see the passing shot angles in pb from my s&v tennis days. I will not need or want spin for dtl passing shots … I will want spin to increase the angle on cross court passing shots. Will that be carbon spin or something less … I will see. The drive part of mr 26g wiffle seems like it would matter as much as spin on passing shots … more spin = less drive
- pretty sure if I was playing serious (tournament) single and doubles pb … it would mean two separate paddles … wide body for doubles, long handled for singles
- my wild a.$.$ guess will be the long handle and 16 1/2” will be more important than any max spin. Thinking max drive with “enough” spin. The long handled Paddletek Sabre looks like a possible

I will come back and update this post after actually playing against competition… if I find it. Our court options … particularly winter are somewhat limited but growing.

Appreciate your input … I much prefer the black paddle face than the Head Gravity I’m likely to start with for our mixed doubles. One thing good about starting with Head Gravity is if I get into singles and find I need more spin … the new Radical Tour CO looks like very good spin.

 

[LeeD]

Just overlap your fingers.

 

[ByeByePoly]

fyi … just ordered two Prince Response Pros … one light pink one for wife , one standard black for me. I considered LH Gravity and Prince Quantum Pro, but seemed like the Response Pro was the most logical for our husband and wife first season in this strange thing they call open play doubles. We had a blast yesterday … and it will not matter what we are playing with.

I will come back and give my impression of the paddles after we get to play … might be a couple of weeks … plans are to play regularly starting in December.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

-fyi gearbox paddles have pretty long handles for the 2HBH
-dont ask me how i know, i just know!!
-im out here representing the 1HBH, even in PB!

 

[srvnvly]

Selkirk Vanguard Mach 6: 5.875” long handle; plus, the handle on Crbn seems like the old Head Radical tennis racquet handle shape, kind of rectangular-ish X not a fan

 

[ByeByePoly]

Selkirk Vanguard Mach 6: 5.875” long handle; plus, the handle on Crbn seems like the old Head Radical tennis racquet handle shape, kind of rectangular-ish X not a fan

Here is how 2hbh has worked for me with Prince Response Pro (5 1/2”) … fyi Prince Quantum Pro has 6” grip.

Not sure if it was because of no tapered throat on Prince, but instead of index finger off grip and behind paddle (Pic in first post … Riley I think), all fingers on handle. The adjustment (automatic … hands just went there) is heel of right/dom hand slightly past end of grip. I never grip past end of tennis grip, forehands, backhands, serve … hate it … but feels fine with the paddle.

edit: correction … double checked and my index finger does get on bottom edge of paddle surface.

 

[mikeler]

@ByeByePoly
I had the Extreme model which I ended up gifting away. It was nice but I have found that I don't like thin core paddles. Medium paddles for me. I haven't tried the Diadem Warrior but I have a Warrior Edge) which are thicker core paddles. I'll try and hit with a Radical sometime as we have some in the pro shop.

The Warrior is coming my way for a Xmas gift. I have always liked heavier ping pong paddles and the same is true with PB.

Back to the original question though, I tried some extended length grips just shadow swinging at the local shop. Yes they felt a little better overall for my offhand but I like the standard grips better for everything else. I'm mainly just hitting 2 handers as defensive pop up shots anyways. My aggressive backhand in PB is the slice 1 hander.

 

[ByeByePoly]

The Warrior is coming my way for a Xmas gift. I have always liked heavier ping pong paddles and the same is true with PB.

Back to the original question though, I tried some extended length grips just shadow swinging at the local shop. Yes they felt a little better overall for my offhand but I like the standard grips better for everything else. I'm mainly just hitting 2 handers as defensive pop up shots anyways. My aggressive backhand in PB is the slice 1 hander.

nice xmas present

I think our Prince paddles were a good choice for our doubles … wife’s backhands at the kitchen are all 2hbhs so the 5 1/2” is good, and we still have a big enough flyswatter.
I think your ping pong paddle preferences is probably spot on … looks like most 1hhb kitchen volleys are way more like ping pong than tennis, go with what you can reflex and control the best. I think we could serve and return in doubles with almost any paddle … just get it in. If one was playing singles then groundstrokes, passing shots, maybe more aggressive serving may actually tilt you toward a different paddle … extended.

It would have been awesome to step on a court and hit 20 different paddles before buying.

btw … I thought was pretty good in ping pong until I ran into a guy with one of those thick paddles in college intramurals.

 

[mikeler]

nice xmas present

I think our Prince paddles were a good choice for our doubles … wife’s backhands at the kitchen are all 2hbhs so the 5 1/2” is good, and we still have a big enough flyswatter.
I think your ping pong paddle preferences is probably spot on … looks like most 1hhb kitchen volleys are way more like ping pong than tennis, go with what you can reflex and control the best. I think we could serve and return in doubles with almost any paddle … just get it in. If one was playing singles then groundstrokes, passing shots, maybe more aggressive serving may actually tilt you toward a different paddle … extended.

It would have been awesome to step on a court and hit 20 different paddles before buying.

btw … I thought was pretty good in ping pong until I ran into a guy with one of those thick paddles in college intramurals.

One of the PB indoor places I found has about 20 ping pong tables. I'm a pretty good ping pong player but all these players would eat me for lunch.

 

[treo]

Remember when PGA Superstore had a full tennis court for testing? Maybe they will bring it back for pickleball.

 

[ByeByePoly]

Remember when PGA Superstore had a full tennis court for testing? Maybe they will bring it back for pickleball.

lol … Dinks of our Lives …

Yes … that would be an awesome way to try a lot of paddles at once.

 

[djNEiGht]

lol...that bye tennis...

 

[1HBHfanatic]

lol...that bye tennis...

-agree
-tennis is still good for more technique and bigger hitting
-pickleball is a great alternative to easier time on court
-pickleball is nothing more than a new sport on the scene
-it will have to compete for people/players and/or space, just like badminton, pingpong, racquetball, volleyball, tennis, etc....

 

[ByeByePoly]

-agree
-tennis is still good for more technique and bigger hitting
-pickleball is a great alternative to easier time on court
-pickleball is nothing more than a new sport on the scene
-it will have to compete for people/players and/or space, just like badminton, pingpong, racquetball, volleyball, tennis, etc....

I think the biggie is all levels being able to have fun together on same court. Not many sports or games that works. Certainly not tennis, not skiing, I guess golf.

I just played 3 hours … last half was with guys at a pretty decent level ( if I was guessing would say 4.5. ) Safe to say I was the only one that came from tennis because return of serve and a couple dtl left them with wtf was that looks. But that means very little in doubles I am finding out other than good low drives often setup a partner with good kitchen game. I am struggling the most with indoor lighting at the kitchen line. Reflexes are there … but the quicker you pick it up from opponents paddle the quicker you can move. I have new contacts that have been excellent for everything… accept now tracking a ball in indoor lighting. Fairly dark … other side which is still a basketball court is very bright. I actually improved vision quite a bit today wearing glasses with a very low power … -.50 in each eye. It also served the purpose of eye protection. So I am wearing both the new contacts … and the low power glasses … that is whack. I have a call in with eye doc … see what she suggests. The contacts are progressive scleral contacts which are specialty contact … no telling what confusion I am causing my eyes.

3 hours … we intended to play 2 max … guess we are having fun.

 

[Shroud]

We just measured our 2hbh grip on the tennis racquet. Wife just short of 7” … I am right at 7”. So … that means 2hbh off hand will be up in the throat area on a Pickleball paddle. I of course already knew this … because I am in charge of the house tennis racquet tournagrip xl wrapping.

Went and checked this … yep … that is one crowded grip.



So if you are looking for a paddle for a 2hbh … you need to think grip length AND throat shape.

Here is an example … Prince paddle below has a 5.5” grip and almost no narrow throat. Head paddle has 5” grip with a graduated narrow throat. Which one actually has more room for 2hbh … who knows? My take is if you are looking for max 2hbh grip room … then you want a paddle with max grip length and a paddle with some narrow throat.

What say you 2hbh Pickleball peeps?

2handed for pickleball? IN tennis the 2 hander is just because you physically can't hit a 1 hander. But pickleball sticks are not heavy are they?

 

[ByeByePoly]

2handed for pickleball? IN tennis the 2 hander is just because you physically can't hit a 1 hander. But pickleball sticks are not heavy are they?

Pickleball 2hbh makes zero sense, looks ridiculous … and yet it works very well. #1 male and female pros hit 2hbh … Ben Johns hits both and Anna Leigh Waters hits 2hbh on everything ground or volley. I have been hitting 2hbh ros for grins … but if I try bh dtl I use 1hbh. So far no 2hbh volleys/kitchen. Your tennis buddy got old … forgive me for knowing these answers.

 

[Shroud]

Pickleball 2hbh makes zero sense, looks ridiculous … and yet it works very well. #1 male and female pros hit 2hbh … Ben Johns hits both and Anna Leigh Waters hits 2hbh on everything ground or volley. I have been hitting 2hbh ros for grins … but if I try bh dtl I use 1hbh. So far no 2hbh volleys/kitchen. Your tennis buddy got old … forgive me for knowing these answers.

saddest poast ever on here.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

-im also in the camp that thinks its unnecessary (2hbh),,
-but if it gets people to turn their shoulders more, and not just rely on the arm, then i think its ok

 

[ByeByePoly]

saddest poast ever on here.

I am dead to Bender

 

[LeeD]

Pickleball 2hbh makes zero sense, looks ridiculous … and yet it works very well. #1 male and female pros hit 2hbh … Ben Johns hits both and Anna Leigh Waters hits 2hbh on everything ground or volley. I have been hitting 2hbh ros for grins … but if I try bh dtl I use 1hbh. So far no 2hbh volleys/kitchen. Your tennis buddy got old … forgive me for knowing these answers.

2hbh is for quick VOLLEY exchanges and ROS.
Helps for pace on passing shots.

 

[mikeler]

I can hit a tennis one handed backhand and two hander equally well but have been using 2 hands with tennis for many years simply to avoid getting tennis elbow. Some habits die hard so I find myself using the 2 hander on drives for now with pickleball.

 

[LeeD]

I'm playing mostly with really old beginners, all handle flat and topspin, but have problems hitting slice and sidespin incoming balls.
Underspin drops really work well, and high sidespin shots flumox them constantly, especially a high, slow, deep, asidesoin serve.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I'm playing mostly with really old beginners, all handle flat and topspin, but have problems hitting slice and sidespin incoming balls.
Underspin drops really work well, and high sidespin shots flumox them constantly, especially a high, slow, deep, asidesoin serve.

One of the guys yesterday showed up with a brand new JOOLA carbon paddle … and was hitting crazy side spin on serve. After a couple of ros I just moved a little laterally and just waited a bit longer … that’s a pretty wide target with both on serving team at baseline. For the most part … I view serving and ros in Pickleball as just starting the point, but I can invoke errors from the lower level by hitting hard low flat drive very deep. How ironic that we were practicing our future Pickleball serve all those decades of tennis feeding the tennis ball over to other side. I gave the higher level guys some trouble with same hard low flat drive … but found I needed to get close to sidelines. At that point … not sure a few free points is worth more misses … probably depends on opponent. These guys were very good at hiding backhands on ros … moved way over. In tennis you make them pay for that … but hitting Mr wiffle hard enough to tee or very wide probably not going to do much assuming no opponent mobility issues.

I haven’t hit a high spin paddle yet … our Prince paddles are fiberglass with some texture. They have a new Head Radical Pro Tour we can checkout at desk … I am going to check it out for comparison. It tested high for spin. I can’t say there are many times in doubles so far that I felt I was missing any needed extra topspin. Maybe on the occasional cross court forehand, but even then I prefer more flat with just enough spin. There is one time I really always want a heavy topspin. Both opponents at kitchen … I’m inside baseline and desperately want to hit topspin lob winner. I know that doesn’t happen … even pros … but I can’t stop throwing away a few points … too ingrained from decades of tennis.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

I'm playing mostly with really old beginners, all handle flat and topspin, but have problems hitting slice and sidespin incoming balls.
Underspin drops really work well, and high sidespin shots flumox them constantly, especially a high, slow, deep, asidesoin serve.

-i also learned that way
-thats a good learning group!, to get your grasp of the rules and the early game
-but youll want to move/find a younger group for some fast pace games/matches
-thats when it becomes fun and challenging

 

[ByeByePoly]

-i also learned that way
-thats a good learning group!, to get your grasp of the rules and the early game
-but youll want to move/find a younger group for some fast pace games/matches
-thats when it becomes fun and challenging

I agree with getting the competition fix … but ironically beginner pre-glued-to-kitchen actually seems like more fun doubles. I like hitting balls from the baseline (even with a paddle and wiffle) … which works against improving one’s level. I don’t see ever taking pickleball that serious like I did with my tennis. My guess is a mixture of some upper level for fun of testing improvemen/limit … and also totally enjoying playing it all wrong and having fun with all levels. It kind of works that way in open play anyway … that Forrest Gump box of chocolates.

 

[LeeD]

-i also learned that way
-thats a good learning group!, to get your grasp of the rules and the early game
-but youll want to move/find a younger group for some fast pace games/matches
-thats when it becomes fun and challenging

Dude.....I will be 74 in 2 months, have 2 bad rotator cuffs, tennis elbow on my left, bad left knee and ankle, and have NOT been able to run at all in the last 15 years.
Probably not playing with 5.0 players.. ever

 

[Dartagnan64]

I’ve been yelling at my wife not to hit with 2 hands in PB. I didn’t think it was even a thing. No one hits 2 handed in squash, table tennis, racketball or badminton, which I feel are much more comparative sports to PB, at least for doubles play.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I’ve been yelling at my wife not to hit with 2 hands in PB. I didn’t think it was even a thing. No one hits 2 handed in squash, table tennis, racketball or badminton, which I feel are much more comparative sports to PB, at least for doubles play.

I would suggest:
1) quit yelling at wife
2) don’t let her near a tv with pro pickleball on

 

[djNEiGht]

wife is always right!

 

[Dartagnan64]

I would suggest:
1) quit yelling at wife
2) don’t let her near a tv with pro pickleball on

1) it's alright, she tuned my voice out years ago
2) I've never seen pro pickle ball on TV and hope I never will.

But seriously. The ball weighs nothing so is there even a need for a 2 handed shot? I guess if all you've ever known from the BH side is a 2HBH, it would be natural, but it seems like a habit one should learn to break especially in doubles.

 

[ByeByePoly]

1) it's alright, she tuned my voice out years ago
2) I've never seen pro pickle ball on TV and hope I never will.

But seriously. The ball weighs nothing so is there even a need for a 2 handed shot? I guess if all you've ever known from the BH side is a 2HBH, it would be natural, but it seems like a habit one should learn to break especially in doubles.

Not needed … and Federer would tell you not needed for tennis either.

If you happen to have a good 2hbh … definitely not a habit you need to break.

Go watch Anna Leigh Waters (#1 singles and doubles), JW Johnson (#4 singles), Riley Newman (#4 doubles … plays kitchen including dinks 2hbh).

You can youtube to get around your no tv

I typed in exactly what you did … 1) ditch the 2hbh 2) continental only. After playing and observing for a short time, I changed my mind on both. For whatever reason … 2hbh low drive on that 26g wiffle produces a solid controlled shot. I could go 100% continental and intended to, but my hand had other ideas on forehand crosscourt topspin. It rolled to eastern and that was the end of that discussion. No idea if hand rolls some on some kitchen forehands … things happen in a hurry there.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

-no doubt about it, having 2hands on the paddle does 2 critical things, IMO:
--1 helps with stability/powerCONTROL(on the fly)
--2 helps promote a good unit/shoulder/waist turn

-but:
-2hbh limits ones reach
-2hbh is still hardER to hit a low ball

 

[ByeByePoly]

-no doubt about it, having 2hands on the paddle does 2 critical things, IMO:
--1 helps with stability/power
--2 helps promote a good unit/shoulder/waist turn

-but:
-2hbh limits ones reach
-2hbh is still hardER to hit a low ball

2hbh is A LOT harder on low balls. I lived off of my flat 1hbh drive and 1hbh slice, so for me from baseline unit turn is no issue. What is an issue … for whatever reason … 1hbh drive and slice has not started out feeling solid like tennis. I hit the pball 1hbh basically where I am trying to … but good tennis fundamentals of straight arm at contact has not (so far) produced a stroke/shot that feels solid. Again … for whatever reason … from first pball 2hbh it comes off as a much more solid low drive (my tennis 2hbh was recent addition … so this has nothing to do with my tennis 2hbh better than my 1hbh). My theory of why the pball 2hbh feels more solid is the two arms combined weight and control provides more consistent contact. No strings … so square paddle matters a lot more.

I don’t find lateral reach to be much of an issue in pball doubles … it comes up more running forward to get a short/drop ball. I also find closer spacing to the wiffle producing better results … which is weird for me because I hit all tennis strokes straight arm (fh, 1hbh , 2hbh bent/straight). Oh … reminds me … 2hbh may produce good results against the wiffle … because off arm coming around like a lhfh.

Who knows … but looks like I will continue to hit some 2hbhs and make a decision later whether or not to bag it.

 

[mikeler]

The low balls do seem easier with 2 hands in pickleball which is the opposite of tennis for me.

 

[Dartagnan64]

-no doubt about it, having 2hands on the paddle does 2 critical things, IMO:
--1 helps with stability/powerCONTROL(on the fly)
--2 helps promote a good unit/shoulder/waist turn

-but:
-2hbh limits ones reach
-2hbh is still hardER to hit a low ball

why does one never see a 2HBH in squash, racketball, badminton or ping pong? I posit it’s because there is little need for stability in those sports. The racket and ball are very light. I’d also posit that only people moving from tennis to Pickleball would use a 2 hander. I doubt any squash player would even think to try it.

 

[A_Instead]

I don't use 2 hands in Tennis... why would I use 2 hands in Pickleball..

 

[ByeByePoly]

I don't use 2 hands in Tennis... why would I use 2 hands in Pickleball..

If I remember correctly I started this thread about paddle considerations if one was going to hit a 2hbh … not proposing one hit one. I still laugh that one can hit a 2hbh with a 16” paddle. I knew we would need the longer grip because the wife’s tennis backhand was 2hbh. With me … the 2hbh was a relatively new addition to my tennis, so 1hbh still my go to. When I mix in paddle 2hbhs at least in some very small 16” way I feel that those thousands of ball machine 2hbhs live on. Also … priceless when I have played with someone for a while and I throw in a 2hbh and they have the look on their face that says “you just tried that and can do it?” Sure.

 

[A_Instead]

I have used the 2 handed back hand in pickleball a time or two..
I just feel it takes more time to utilize..and it limits the variety of shot.
But if it brings happiness and victories.. no harm in that...

 

[ByeByePoly]

I have used the 2 handed back hand in pickleball a time or two..
I just feel it takes more time to utilize..and it limits the variety of shot.
But if it brings happiness and victories.. no harm in that...

Definitely more happiness than victories at the moment … but losses have nothing to do with backhand choice. Newbies always have to pay their dues.

 

[A_Instead]

I attack people's backhand pickleball just like I do in tennis.. same results...

 

[LeeD]

As in tennis, the backhand side is almost always weaker.
Can have more consistency...but weaker.
Can have more power, but only when set.

 

[ByeByePoly]

I attack people's backhand pickleball just like I do in tennis.. same results...

I find that much more difficult in pickleball than tennis. For example … left handed player returning serve from even/deuce side standing way out wide. In tennis he is toast … I just serve flat T. In pickleball with paddle and 26g wiffle no such thing as an ace at T that a fast player cheating way over can’t get to. There is no value in trying to bang deuce T serve … they will get to it and you will miss some just wide. Also no such thing as a slice out wide to deuce equivalent to tennis slice serve … for the right hander cheating toward T.

If I’m returning serve to serving team back on baseline … similar problem with players mobile and very good at hiding backhands. You blow it going for outside line to ad/odd side against right hander seems foolish when ros basically just starts a point … very hard to gain much advantage … very deep or very short sometimes invokes error. Probably a ros I should think about more is deep down the middle to deuce side right hander left hip … far enough away from ad side right hander.

Of course … when past serve and ros … during point including kitchen many times you can fine backhand. Interesting watching the pros at the kitchen … a goto volley is jamming opponent at forehand hip.

Where do you get to their backhands? This is a point of frustration for me in pball. My tournament tennis singles was all about making opponents have to pass me with backhand … my tennis DNA was you could not hide your backhand from me. So far … it pretty much looks like they actually can hide their backhand efficiently.

 

[1HBHfanatic]

-even though i dont use a traditional 2hbh for anything, (both hands on the grip area!?)
-i still have 2 hand on the paddle/racquet (1x in handle area, and 1x in throat area!)
-it just promotes good reset/setup AND unit turn!

-specially on a fast exchange
-one tends to get WRISTTY!!
-and leads to bad habits, no unit turn, just all arm
-no reset/setup for next shot, paddle/racquet tends to go down