5 knots?

ohiostate124

Professional
so I got a few rackets strung and picked them up today. Noticed 1 of the 3 had 5 knots. 2 in the bottom left of the hoop and 1 in each of the other 3 "corners". Is this a problem?
 

rhodyvik01

New User
If someone didn't use enough string it could cause it but there would be six knots. Can you take a picture please?

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Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
so I got a few rackets strung and picked them up today. Noticed 1 of the 3 had 5 knots. 2 in the bottom left of the hoop and 1 in each of the other 3 "corners". Is this a problem?
It is impossible to have five knots unless you use 2.5 pieces of string. I suspect the string tried to string the racket 2 piece broke a string and tied off two knots in one location.
 

jonestim

Hall of Fame
That upper right knot - is that maybe two knots in one tie off? Are there three strings coming out of it when you look form the top
 

Clintspin

Professional
I can't figure out this string job at all. The strings are white but all but one of the knots are yellow. Also, what's up with the stenciling?
 

jim e

Legend
Upper right knot looks very large, so it probably is two knots tied on same tie off hole, so instead of 4 knots there are 6, very sloppy of stringer to give such a thing.
I would return it and ask for proper string job, as that should not be accepted. Racquets should be strung as 1 piece withn 2 knots, or 2 piece with 4 knots, not a 3 piece job like this.
This was a pieced together job.
Sad to see such a job.
BTW, the extra color in the knot is a dead mans knot, as a scrap string is placed within the knot, which is fine to use, but not a 3 piece string job.
 

ohiostate124

Professional
Upper right knot looks very large, so it probably is two knots tied on same tie off hole, so instead of 4 knots there are 6, very sloppy of stringer to give such a thing.
I would return it and ask for proper string job, as that should not be accepted. Racquets should be strung as 1 piece withn 2 knots, or 2 piece with 4 knots, not a 3 piece job like this.
This was a pieced together job.
Sad to see such a job.
BTW, the extra color in the knot is a dead mans knot, as a scrap string is placed within the knot, which is fine to use, but not a 3 piece string job.
Thanks for the info. I got three racquets done and the other two turned out fine. I'm assuming the string must have broke. Didn't notice it at the time. Guess I'll see what happens. I'm probably stuck with it. They don't guarantee strings if you bring your own.
 
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esgee48

Legend
I do not warranty strings either if they're not mine. No idea under what conditions the strings were stored is the main reason. However, I do tell my folks that and I also tell them if their strings break when stringing. It's their option to stop or hybrid with half a pack of something that I may have. They then know what to expect. FWIW, my records show this happened to me twice with someone's string.

The stringer should have told you that your string broke and asked for further action. 3 cents.
 

Clintspin

Professional
You might be correct Jim but I have enlarged it and I don't see the scrap string. I do that when I am using a very thin gauge but that isn't what this looks like to me. And if it is a scrap piece of string why not the only white knot?
 

ohiostate124

Professional
I do not warranty strings either if they're not mine. No idea under what conditions the strings were stored is the main reason. However, I do tell my folks that and I also tell them if their strings break when stringing. It's their option to stop or hybrid with half a pack of something that I may have. They then know what to expect. FWIW, my records show this happened to me twice with someone's string.

The stringer should have told you that your string broke and asked for further action. 3 cents.
I play full gut and wouldn't have been interested in a hybrid so I'm sort of ok with it as long as it works. Would have been nice to know about it though.
 

ohiostate124

Professional
You might be correct Jim but I have enlarged it and I don't see the scrap string. I do that when I am using a very thin gauge but that isn't what this looks like to me. And if it is a scrap piece of string why not the only white knot?
Not sure why he left the one knot white like that but it looks like he used a high lighter on the knots.
 

ohiostate124

Professional
OK. NG! Store that stuff like you would mushrooms. Cold, dark, but dry environment.
Maybe something happened during shipping. Bought it from TW and took it to the guy the day after I received it. It certainly wasn't in a cool, dark, dry environment on the way here.
 

jim e

Legend
If you supplied string to stringer, then its your issue.
I tell anyone that supplies their own string that I have no idea how old or how the string was stored.
I have refused to string a couple racquets from 1 customer that had 30-40 year old string that was kept in trunk of car, and the packaging they were in was brittle and falling apart.
Even though you just got the string from TW most stringers will not give any guarantee to player supplied string,.
Supply your own string, then take the consequences, but still a 6 knot job is a non professional job.
If it was me stringing and string broke, I would tell owner flaw in their supplied string give them back an unstrung racquet and end it there.
I have received flawed string before and since I purchased it I took care of it for customer, where they did not even know.
I have received a flawed set of VS gut from a customer to string up, and fortunately I found the flaw before I used it, as there was a notch in the gut a few feet from the end (I always check gut string before it is used) . I gave the racquet back along with the damaged string, as I did not purchase it.
Customer supplied string, then customer takes the risk.
Thats my policy and all are told that before anything is done.
 
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Herb

Semi-Pro
Looks to me like he strung the racquet 2 piece but missed the top cross. Then added the top cross after he had tied off. Also looks like a mis-weave on the bottom cross. Looks like stringer error to me.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
Customer supplied string, then customer takes the risk.
Thats my policy and all are told that before anything is done.
I agree 100%. Although common sense would dictate this being the case, a key point is letting them know upfront. I rarely agree to string for anyone supplying their own strings, simply because I find the whole Cheapie Charlie concept to be offensive.

These are like the people who want to supply their own discount auto parts to a mechanic for installation. Guess what? No labor warranty in that scenario, either. And, if the part is defective, they pay again for removal and replacement -- as it should be. Try bringing your own steak to a restaurant...
 
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penguin

Semi-Pro
Wow- so much hate for supplying own strings in this thread. But I bet none of the people complaining offer the ashaway Kevlar zyex hybrid, or such a wide range as can satisfy everybody who might have a favourite string they've used for years
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Wow- so much hate for supplying own strings in this thread. But I bet none of the people complaining offer the ashaway Kevlar zyex hybrid, or such a wide range as can satisfy everybody who might have a favourite string they've used for years
I'm not complaining but I offer Kevlar 16, 17, or 18 in any color you want as long as it gold. I also have ZX and ZX Pro in both colors they offer most people use Kev / and black ZX (Pro) but I'm fine with any hybrid you want. I order regularly from TW and will be more than happy to special order any string you want that TW carries that I do not stock.

Why so much hate for those customers that carry in there own string? I don't mind you string you accept all responsibility even if I miss weave your string. If I miss weave I will redo it free if you bring me another set. But what if I break your ZX tying off the bottom cross. Oops I'm sorry no charge for labor. Now you go buy another set of ZX ($15.50,) bring it to me and I charge you for labor if it doesn't break this time. Every customer of mine that brings me strings know my policy and accepts my conditions. But I always wonder what will happen if I have to enforce my policy. Has never happened but I'm sure sooner or later it will.

I had a customer that used to buy her X-One from a local pro shop and bring it to me to string just to save $2. Then one day she brought me a pack of NXT because her shop went up to $28 / set on X-One. After I told her I String X-One $26 she has never brought me string again. If you have accounts with string distributors I think you make a killing stringing rackets and for a pro shop you have to if you want to stay in business. When customers bring in their own string you loose out on the string markup. Those customers are taking money out of your pocket and giving it to the online stores. Keep that up and all the pro shops will go out of business.

Now you should have an idea of why some stringers don't like those that bring their own string. As for myself I'm fine with it. If I do or don't string rackets doesn't matter to me.

EDIT: Another example. Let's say you want a Kevlar / ZX hybrid. You can buy a set for $11.30 (and shipping maybe) and wait two business days to get your string. Then take your frame to your string to have it strung. I'll string Kev/ZX all day long for $20, why take your chances?
 
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penguin

Semi-Pro
I'm not complaining but I offer Kevlar 16, 17, or 18 in any color you want as long as it gold. I also have ZX and ZX Pro in both colors they offer most people use Kev / and black ZX (Pro) but I'm fine with any hybrid you want. I order regularly from TW and will be more than happy to special order any string you want that TW carries that I do not stock.

Why so much hate for those customers that carry in there own string? I don't mind you string you accept all responsibility even if I miss weave your string. If I miss weave I will redo it free if you bring me another set. But what if I break your ZX tying off the bottom cross. Oops I'm sorry no charge for labor. Now you go buy another set of ZX ($15.50,) bring it to me and I charge you for labor if it doesn't break this time. Every customer of mine that brings me strings know my policy and accepts my conditions. But I always wonder what will happen if I have to enforce my policy. Has never happened but I'm sure sooner or later it will.

I had a customer that used to buy her X-One from a local pro shop and bring it to me to string just to save $2. Then one day she brought me a pack of NXT because her shop went up to $28 / set on X-One. After I told her I String X-One $26 she has never brought me string again. If you have accounts with string distributors I think you make a killing stringing rackets and for a pro shop you have to if you want to stay in business. When customers bring in their own string you loose out on the string markup. Those customers are taking money out of your pocket and giving it to the online stores. Keep that up and all the pro shops will go out of business.

Now you should have an idea of why some stringers don't like those that bring their own string. As for myself I'm fine with it. If I do or don't string rackets doesn't matter to me.

EDIT: Another example. Let's say you want a Kevlar / ZX hybrid. You can buy a set for $11.30 (and shipping maybe) and wait two business days to get your string. Then take your frame to your string to have it strung. I'll string Kev/ZX all day long for $20, why take your chances?
hey if a stringer offered it no way would I buy elsewhere.

anyway stringers round here don't want to do anything but string rpm blast so I got my own machine....
 

SteveI

Legend
Yikes... Yikes... Yikes... Your string... his string. The string job is a mess. If the stringer broke your string he should have given you a call and asked what you wanted done next. Having posted policy on the stringer's end is great... but how about a phone call, text... message. Instead stringer cobbles this mess together. Who is not going to notice 5 knots???
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Who is not going to notice 5 knots???
Doesn't matter, 5 knots should never be used. Unless one if those knots is actually two knots on top of each other and the customer and stringer does not mind discreditablestar workmanship. I would not piece mill string together like that.

It is entirely possible the customer wanted some special Lendl stringing pattern with three difference pieces of string and tensions. I have no idea what was done but it does not appear kosher to me.
 

Wonie88

New User
This is terrible. In my shop if a customers string breaks we just call and see how to proceed. I typically offer to replace with something similar(we have a good supply/variety of 20' multi sections). Try to charge a fair amount for that segment--$5 or so.

I try to use the opportunity/good will to explain to the customer how buying string from me offers them advantages(like if it breaks).

Never 5 knots haha...
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
Despite the stringing error, in practical terms what is the effect of 5 knots, 6 knots etc... ?
more often than not it means there is a very short section of string being using. It could mean the stringer but the string wrong and used too much for the mains and did not have enough left over for all the crosses. Then when he get to the bottom and finds out he tries to use two knots on one string to fill i n all the grommets. With the drawback on both ends of the string that one string will be very loose. But this is all speculation we have no real idea of why there are extra knots.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
Wow- so much hate for supplying own strings in this thread. But I bet none of the people complaining offer the ashaway Kevlar zyex hybrid, or such a wide range as can satisfy everybody who might have a favourite string they've used for years
Couldn't you work with your stringer to have your stringer order a set they don't normally carry? There is a service they provide that is not available through mail order strings and that should be factored in to the value you receive.

If they are local, they can turn-around a racquet in a day and I'm sure if you made arrangements, can do emergency stringing if your strings broke during a tournament. Hopefully they are knowledgeable enough and have inventory to set you up close to what you want even if they don't carry your specific string. Our local stringer guarantees their work and will re-do a stringing if there are issues. If you are very happy with your stringer, I would think you would want to support them even if it means you pay a few extra bucks.
 

penguin

Semi-Pro
Couldn't you work with your stringer to have your stringer order a set they don't normally carry? There is a service they provide that is not available through mail order strings and that should be factored in to the value you receive.

If they are local, they can turn-around a racquet in a day and I'm sure if you made arrangements, can do emergency stringing if your strings broke during a tournament. Hopefully they are knowledgeable enough and have inventory to set you up close to what you want even if they don't carry your specific string. Our local stringer guarantees their work and will re-do a stringing if there are issues. If you are very happy with your stringer, I would think you would want to support them even if it means you pay a few extra bucks.
There's no-one like that around here. I started string for myself so I don't bother with all that any more...
 

seekay

Semi-Pro
It looks like the second cross from the top isn't fully tensioned. And it's a pet peeve of mine when stringers don't straighten strings, especially with gut, and even more especially with a stencil since you can't keep them straight later.

As others have pointed out, there's a lot that's wrong with this job. It's not something I would ever hand to a customer, and if I did, I'd give you a refund of my labor charge. That said, it may play well enough that you can enjoy the strings. See how it hits, but maybe talk with your stringer about expectations for what happens if string breaks in the future.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
There's no-one like that around here. I started string for myself so I don't bother with all that any more...
Fair enough. I didn't like the outfit I mentioned mostly because of their lack of in-depth knowledge. But they do good work. One of the factors for me was that it takes me 40min to drive out to them. 10min to chat. 40min drive back. Then repeat to pick up my racquet. So I blow 3hrs of my time. I can string my racquet myself in 40min and be done.

So unless you want to invest in stringing at home, I'm just suggesting to be nice to your local stringer if they are worth their salt.
 
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