yes I switched to babolat vs natural gut in the Clash v2 100.. not sure if I should've gone with the clash lite after coming out of the head power instinct.. yes I wish I had been able to demo pro kennex
5 months with Tennis Elbow so far; help :-(
- Thread starter sharif
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Updating this thread out of frustration! I've been continuing with PT, moderating my play, working with my instructor on technique & things were better for about 2 months with me playing twice a week & having no pain. I'm literally doing home exercises daily including flex bar. Then all of a sudden, this week while still in PT (now once a week instead of twice), I did my normal one hour lesson on Monday (all good) & then I did my 1st team practice (1 & 1/2 hours) on Thursday (not intense & hit fewer balls than during my lesson), put my ice on afterwards & sure enough woke up back in pain on Friday & am still in pain :-( I seriously thought I had overcome the TE by now. I'm not understanding why it would "come back" or I guess it was never gone after all this time. April 28th will be exactly one year since I first got the TE & I feel like I've done everything possible (including changing racquets & strings) in my power to overcome it except take months off. The longest I've taken off was 5 weeks. The other confusing piece is that sometimes I'll play & it's totally fine & other times, it acts up so it seems completely random. It never hurts during play so I can't even identify a specific shot that is causing it. I don't have a 1 handed back hand. I didn't even serve during the clinic. I did do a few overheads but mostly forehand, backhand & volleys. I'm considering paying out of pocket to try the EPAT shockwave therapy; so if anyone has experience with this, pls LMK! Thx for letting me vent! TE sucks!!!!!!!!
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Very sorry to hear you are still having pain, had hoped you were past it. I do think some of us (include me in that) never get back to 100%, but anything beyond minor twinges is obviously no good. I do not know anything about the shockwave therapy, hopefully someone else does and will respond. Yep … TE totally sucks.
thank you
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I’m giving you a tennis family hug right now … a long one.
Get that elbow healed … that’s an order.
Sorry … that’s all I got.
Tmano
Hall of Fame
Hey sharif, i'm sorry to hear you are still dealing with TE. To be honest i'm still having some issues too and it has been almost a year for me as well.
The thing with TE is that for some people it could be chronic which means it will never really go away (i'm sure i'm one of those LOL) however you have not really rested your elbow during this year. however, did it really do any more damages? Probably not much more. See my PT back home told me to keep playing which i did not do and i'm in the same situation as before.
Last night i talked to an old friend ( he is now 60) who had TE for some years (2-3) due to playing without the grip, so only with an overgrip, using the aero pro drive 2012, but he never quit playing. I did suggested him many times to get a yonex and he did buy the ezone 100 2022 ( not the one i suggested lol) and although he is stringing with luxilon alu power he is doing great without issues. So long story short is that it just might take longer than you were expecting or hoping to. Keep playing and do the PT and if you can try the Shockwaves.
It will get better for you and all of us.
Cheers
if it doesn't hurt when you play it's not TE, have you seen a doctor?
thx! so sorry to hear u r still dealing with it as well ugh :-( it's so weird how it's so different with different ppl! & there seems to be no consensus on whether to keep playing or not.. my PT thinks I should be whereas others say no so it's def confusing all around.. good luck & keep us posted
yes I've seen a few who have all diagnosed it with TE so it's confusing. One dr thought I may also have radial nerve but that doesn't seem to be the case..
Tmano
Hall of Fame
Thank you!
I know PT therapist have their wn ideas about TE but ultimately we should make the decision based on how we feel.
We will get through this!
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Mine went away 100% for the last couple of days, after restringing one racquet (the one that probably gave me a bit of TE a couple of weeks ago).
Before that, I still had some soreness after playing, helped by icing.
GL OP!
Makes no sense. I’d find a better doctor
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
I don’t know the strings you have listed … but if poly get rid of them. A player that has TE once and still plays with poly is rolling the dice … the real “technique “ problem.
You learn so much with a degraded elbow … it speaks to you very clearly when something p!sses it off. My elbow became such a drama queen it could tell me which multi was inferior to the other. It’s possible some elbows just haven’t found their voice yet … my recommendation is to keep it that way. Paddles have almost silenced mine … almost.
Bisquick
Rookie
I’m going through this as well lately. Pretty sure my other activities(pickleball, SUP) don’t help the situation. I Experience some soreness while playing, more noticeable when I hit a modern/ open stance forehand. Adjusting my technique to a classic forehand helps. I Do some preventative exercises along with heat n cold applied to the area, have even done one round of acupuncture which helped a bit.
Where I experience the most soreness is after a nights sleep - I have a tendency to sleep with my arms outstretched and I find that really aggravates the tennis elbow. Have to remind myself to sleep with my arms folded into my body (elbows down, hands up around my face) and that gets me a better nights sleep n minimal soreness in the morning.
Where I experience the most soreness is after a nights sleep - I have a tendency to sleep with my arms outstretched and I find that really aggravates the tennis elbow. Have to remind myself to sleep with my arms folded into my body (elbows down, hands up around my face) and that gets me a better nights sleep n minimal soreness in the morning.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Must be a paddle from the Learning Tree,
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
SUP?
I think the stresses from pickleball are different than tennis. With tennis you have to believe racquet/ball collision is key … racquet head speed, sweet spot, how square racquet face is at contact, swing weight, etc. To me those are the “technique” factors/outcomes that matter.
With pickleball, I’m a doubter on 26g wiffle collision being much of a factor. I have had some paddle (XSPAK) where I barely felt any contact. But what pickleball has is lots of arming … the type without body rotation assistance. The constant ping pong punch backhand at the kitchen seems to be a repetitive motion injury waiting to happen for some.
I think the tennis TE wisdom of heaviest racquet you can swing with good racquet head speed seems like sound advice (win the collision).
But you show up at pickleball, and everyone is saying lighter paddles (less swing weight) are better for PE. That seemed backwards to me at first, but now makes sense given risk as moved from repetitive collision to repetitive short arming kitchen movements and lots of wrist movement/flicking on shots like rolls.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Must be a paddle from the Learning Tree,
looks like a paddle some pickleball couples might use at home but not at the courts
Bisquick
Rookie
@ByeByePoly SUP - standup paddle boarding. I paddle distance and also surf on a standup board. Lots of one right side repetition of stroke - TE can get pretty sore after a good outing. Due to play golf soon - see how that feels on the TE.
On PB - u find the type of ball can really make a diff on TE/shoulder pain. The Franklin X40 feels really harsh to me - do my best to avoid them.
On PB - u find the type of ball can really make a diff on TE/shoulder pain. The Franklin X40 feels really harsh to me - do my best to avoid them.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
It happened with one string job these past two years, so probably the stringer (the coach, not my certified stringer, but convenient), messed up.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Local player strung his Profile mains with steel braided strand. Only had to re-string the crosses. Many times. Pull-throughs ended the Profile. And his elbow & shoulder. Hard Times in 3.5
I've seen a few already. If it's not TE, what else could it be?
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Reason to ruin the other elbow?
ha not quite; can't do much with just my left sadly
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Had a teammate who needed to play left-handed as his TE never healed. Another spent a year serving under-handed as his rotator cuff injury kept him from serving. Left-handed and cannot play/hit a lick with it.
oh boy; I'll sadly have to give up tennis if mine never heals :-( I'm really hoping that won't be me. I could never play with my left; I have enough trouble playing with my right LOL
Tennis elbow was one of the best things that happened to me- ironically.
Got it, sat out for 8 months, came back and played again. Everytime I hit incorrectly Or served wrong I felt it like lightning.
I changed my entire technique and I am hitting the ball with full poly 53 pounds hyper g with zero issues today. When last year I could barely hold the tennis racket from the discomfort being that bad.
Anyways- I hope everyone’s elbows obviously heals but at the same time when you come back use it to your advantage as a way to confirm that you are hitting correctly.
so happy for u that yours is healed & yes sounds like yours was def a blessing in disguise!! Def sounds promising. For me; however, I don't feel pain while hitting (unless I hit during a flare up when I already have pain) but once it calms down, it's only the next day when it starts hurting & then it gets better in a few days so it's def confusing & frustrating b/c I never know when it's going to flare up...I would never hit with poly regardless but glad u r able to do so.
I restring my racket every 3-4 weeks. Got my own stringer. Saves me from tennis elbow
I'm playing with natural gut strings
It's something you do with your backhand.
I'm not a doctor so wouldn't begin to guess. So you've seen multiple doctors and they've all diagnosed you as having tennis elbow?
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
We had different lessons. I got TE with same technique I had for 30+ years with syn gut, then multi, which seemed to serve me well without getting TE. Five years of RPM Blast @52lbs and TE … but hey … my elbow fought the good fight. I remember getting wrist soreness (never happened before) first session with RPM … should have not ignored it.
I have seen hundreds of rec players over the years with lousy technique and syn gut or multi strings never get TE. Arming, no split step, no mini tennis … great elbows.
Yes, TE can educate you … will let you know if you missed the sweet spot, particularly if you hit near the tip. I saw light one day … more like lightning … on what they were referring to with “racquet recoil”.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
yes I've seen 3 & they all said tennis elbow
yes that's what kills me; I see so many players with bad technique too not to mention they r playing daily!! I got it with multi strings as well.We had different lessons. I got TE with same technique I had for 30+ years with syn gut, then multi, which seemed to serve me well without getting TE. Five years of RPM Blast @52lbs and TE … but hey … my elbow fought the good fight. I remember getting wrist soreness (never happened before) first session with RPM … should have not ignored it.
I have seen hundreds of rec players over the years with lousy technique and syn gut or multi strings never get TE. Arming, no split step, no mini tennis … great elbows.
Yes, TE can educate you … will let you know if you missed the sweet spot, particularly if you hit near the tip. I saw light one day … more like lightning … on what they were referring to with “racquet recoil”.
EggSalad
Hall of Fame
I haven’t read this whole thread, so my apologies if this has been posted. I’d recommend going to a sports/medical massage and having them work specificity on the arm.
TE is the fascia of 4-5 muscle bands getting stuck together and thus the force it puts on the tendons where they go into that bone on the outside of the elbow.
The massage will hurt like heck but will break up the tightness so the muscles can start moving again.
It’ll probably take several sessions, hurt like heck during and be very sore days after. But it will work.
The guy I see for these type of issues said a theragun is bad for TE and can make it worse. You have to have friction going across the muscle fibers to break it up.
TE is the fascia of 4-5 muscle bands getting stuck together and thus the force it puts on the tendons where they go into that bone on the outside of the elbow.
The massage will hurt like heck but will break up the tightness so the muscles can start moving again.
It’ll probably take several sessions, hurt like heck during and be very sore days after. But it will work.
The guy I see for these type of issues said a theragun is bad for TE and can make it worse. You have to have friction going across the muscle fibers to break it up.
are these real medical doctors (i.e not phyical therapists or something)? what country? did any of them tell you to take time off from playing and if so how long?
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Maybe. If you knew how to play tennis you wouldn't have switched to pickleball.
ByeByePoly
G.O.A.T.
Tmano
Hall of Fame
very quick test is this, extend you arm with your fingers straight and with your other hand try to push down on your fingers. If it is TE when you get to the medium finger as you push down you would feel it in your elbow.
I did at least.
Tmano
Hall of Fame
indeed it tell me when i hit close to the frame!We had different lessons. I got TE with same technique I had for 30+ years with syn gut, then multi, which seemed to serve me well without getting TE. Five years of RPM Blast @52lbs and TE … but hey … my elbow fought the good fight. I remember getting wrist soreness (never happened before) first session with RPM … should have not ignored it.
I have seen hundreds of rec players over the years with lousy technique and syn gut or multi strings never get TE. Arming, no split step, no mini tennis … great elbows.
Yes, TE can educate you … will let you know if you missed the sweet spot, particularly if you hit near the tip. I saw light one day … more like lightning … on what they were referring to with “racquet recoil”.
This!
It's definitely healed after almost a year. I felt pain every time I hit the ball from the impact. Self massage for a few days took the pain away, after nursing it for a year.
yes all orthopedic surgeons in USA. They said to try taking off a few weeks which is what I did. When it first happened, the 1st dr said to take 2 weeks off so I followed that advice
