50,000 PC600 per year Made in Austria???

bossass

Rookie
I've seen this figure bounced around in many threads concerning the discontinuation of the Kennelbach prestige frames for consumers. For those that don't know, the claim is Head still operates this factory and makes 50k frames a year for pros on various tours.

Now, I'm as distraught over the discontinuation of the PC600 as anyone, but I can't believe they make that many frames a year. That must be misinformation. How many Head pros are there in those two tours? For argument, let's say there's 1000 that use the prestige, or some form of it made in Austria. How many frames a year do they get? I'll go ahead and guess on average, 20. That's 20,000 frames. I have a strong feeling either one of those numbers are actually less, probably significantly on the number of pros side.

If they actually made that many, it would be no problem to make a batch for TW, or to just make some for the consumer market. And for some reason if they still refused, you'd think we see the grey market flooded with used frames. All the used PC600 I see these days by and large come from the TW batches. I have a feeling they actually just make frames to order for pros now, and it's more like 1,000-2,000 per year. The cost of making high quality frames in small batches using a small staff, would skyrocket the cost per frame. They can't sell these frames for $300 to the public, hence the discontinuation.

I don't know any of this for sure, but it seems logical to me. Anybody have any concrete info on this?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Don't forget that with the number of racquets that Safin alone smashes per match, that he probably accounts for about 1000 frames per year just for himself. ;) LOL

Also, don't forget all the college players and juniors that also get paintjobs. There have been junior and college players that have posted here in the past that they also get PC600's with LM Prestige (or FXP Prestige) paintjobs on them.
 

vsbabolat

G.O.A.T.
I've seen this figure bounced around in many threads concerning the discontinuation of the Kennelbach prestige frames for consumers. For those that don't know, the claim is Head still operates this factory and makes 50k frames a year for pros on various tours.

Now, I'm as distraught over the discontinuation of the PC600 as anyone, but I can't believe they make that many frames a year. That must be misinformation. How many Head pros are there in those two tours? For argument, let's say there's 1000 that use the prestige, or some form of it made in Austria. How many frames a year do they get? I'll go ahead and guess on average, 20. That's 20,000 frames. I have a strong feeling either one of those numbers are actually less, probably significantly on the number of pros side.

If they actually made that many, it would be no problem to make a batch for TW, or to just make some for the consumer market. And for some reason if they still refused, you'd think we see the grey market flooded with used frames. All the used PC600 I see these days by and large come from the TW batches. I have a feeling they actually just make frames to order for pros now, and it's more like 1,000-2,000 per year. The cost of making high quality frames in small batches using a small staff, would skyrocket the cost per frame. They can't sell these frames for $300 to the public, hence the discontinuation.

I don't know any of this for sure, but it seems logical to me. Anybody have any concrete info on this?

It is not just 50,000 PC600 but rather 50,000 total racquets of all models made in Austria fro the Players on The WTA and ATP Tours.

This quote is taken from HEAD's announcement that they will no longer be manufacturing racquets in Austria for the consumer to their investors.

"Head's global tennis operations will continue to be run from Austria. Key functions such as research and development, quality control, marketing and sales and logistics functions in the Racquet Sports Division, as well as a limited production of approximately 50,000 racquets will remain at the Kennelbach site. This entire set up will ensure that current quality standards will be maintained and Head will be able to retain its technological leadership."

The limited production that is referenced is for the pro players on Tour.

Also that 50,000 racquets is just not PC600 but is for all the different models that HEAD manufacturers for the Players on the ATP and WTA Tours.
 
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s.sharm01

Rookie
I've seen this figure bounced around in many threads concerning the discontinuation of the Kennelbach prestige frames for consumers. For those that don't know, the claim is Head still operates this factory and makes 50k frames a year for pros on various tours.

Now, I'm as distraught over the discontinuation of the PC600 as anyone, but I can't believe they make that many frames a year. That must be misinformation. How many Head pros are there in those two tours? For argument, let's say there's 1000 that use the prestige, or some form of it made in Austria. How many frames a year do they get? I'll go ahead and guess on average, 20. That's 20,000 frames. I have a strong feeling either one of those numbers are actually less, probably significantly on the number of pros side.

If they actually made that many, it would be no problem to make a batch for TW, or to just make some for the consumer market. And for some reason if they still refused, you'd think we see the grey market flooded with used frames. All the used PC600 I see these days by and large come from the TW batches. I have a feeling they actually just make frames to order for pros now, and it's more like 1,000-2,000 per year. The cost of making high quality frames in small batches using a small staff, would skyrocket the cost per frame. They can't sell these frames for $300 to the public, hence the discontinuation.

I don't know any of this for sure, but it seems logical to me. Anybody have any concrete info on this?

I think from an earlier discussion (i will try to find it) about pros and racquets getting damaged, a year 50 racquets on average was the number. I think someone suggested as high as 75 but i think that would be too many. But somewhere around 50 would seem right.
 

bossass

Rookie
Don't forget that with the number of racquets that Safin alone smashes per match, that he probably accounts for about 1000 frames per year just for himself. ;) LOL

Also, don't forget all the college players and juniors that also get paintjobs. There have been junior and college players that have posted here in the past that they also get PC600's with LM Prestige (or FXP Prestige) paintjobs on them.

It doesn't seem like there can be that many college and juniors using the PC600. I can only think of a handful of current pros who still do. And I find it hard to believe that Head would even offer a PJ to a junior or even average college player. PJs factor into some kind of marketing budget and why waste it on hundreds of juniors and college players that will probably never turn pro?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
It doesn't seem like there can be that many college and juniors using the PC600. I can only think of a handful of current pros who still do. And I find it hard to believe that Head would even offer a PJ to a junior or even average college player. PJs factor into some kind of marketing budget and why waste it on hundreds of juniors and college players that will probably never turn pro?
Perhaps a lot of the college and junior players you see using the LM Prestige and FXP Prestige are actually using PC600's underneath the paintjobs? I don't know. I do recall a college player posting here once that he gets PC600's with the LM Prestige paintjob on them and he wasn't even highly ranked. I think he said that just about anyone that has any sort of sponsorship agreement with Head can get them.

BTW, it's not just about turning pro. People do go and watch college and junior matches and it gives Head some marketing exposure since the racquets do have the Head stencil on the strings.
 

bossass

Rookie
I think from an earlier discussion (i will try to find it) about pros and racquets getting damaged, a year 50 racquets on average was the number. I think someone suggested as high as 75 but i think that would be too many. But somewhere around 50 would seem right.

Right, I can see Safin getting that many frames, and I recall seeing somewhere that Roddick gets 30-50 from Babolat a year, but Head doesn't flow that many frames to college players, juniors or unknown pros per year, right? I guess on the low end, sombody "sponsored" by Head (ie. gets free rackets and that's all), gets maybe 5ish frames a year.

I think my arguement that if there were actually 250,000 of these frames made in the last five years, it'd be sure as hell easier to get an Austrian PC600 or PJ on the big auction site, so there can't be that many made. But they almost never come up there or here in classifieds.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I think my arguement that if there were actually 250,000 of these frames made in the last five years, it'd be sure as hell easier to get an Austrian PC600 or PJ on the big auction site, so there can't be that many made. But they almost never come up there or here in classifieds.
I think the reason is that most of those 250,000 made have i.Prestige, LM Prestige, or FXP Prestige paintjobs on them so they would not be so readily recognized as a PC600 even if they did come up for sale. But I'd bet the great majority of them are trashed in match play and discarded and the ones that are not are returned to Head for destruction since they have paintjobs on them and Head does not want these in the general public's hands. They want the public to be buying their latest models and not know about the paintjobs.
 

autumn_leaf

Hall of Fame
i read reviews for the re-release of the pc 600 and people say that the original ones made in the early 90s played the best and that they are getting worse each time (still play great, just not as good as the older ones). does anyone know why this would happen?

i hear a lot about paint jobs on this forum and still can't understand why a company just won't keep the same model in production, especially if news of pc 600 still being used by pros isn't it painfully obvious that the technology hype doesn't work?
 

LafayetteHitter

Hall of Fame
Keep in mind alot of these pro restring alot so that wears down frames as well so they will surely go threw many more frames compared to Joe Blow 3.0 Wish Head would be able to just keep the PC600 going forever as I don't see it losing it's fan base.
 

bossass

Rookie
VSBabolat--This makes more sense. 50,000 for all head models used on various tours. Although it still seems a tad high.

I've hit with a TXProfessional, Prestige Pro 600 and PC600 and I like the PC600 best for it's slightly lighter weight. I don't lose any control or stablility, but I can whip it around better. I'm currently working on hoarding as many PC600s as I can.
 

keithchircop

Professional
Prestige Classic 600
Pro Tour 280/630
Radical Trisys 280
Radical Trisys 280 OS
Radical Tour Midplus
Radical Tour OS

I think most of these are still produced in Kennelbach for pros. By pros we don't mean the top 100, more like top 1000, plus junior and college players. You don't have to be 30 yrs old to know which Head racquets are the best. If they don't know, their coaches will.
 
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