51 Advantages Nadal has over Djokovic

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1.More Slams (since surpassed with Djokovic now 24)
2.Higher lifetime Bo5 Finals winning pct (31-9 if include Davis Cup 35-9 vs 25-12) (still stands)
3.Highest Bo5 Winning Pct Open Era (88.7%) (still stands but now 88.46%, note ATP events only)
4.Higher GS winning Pct (despite 2 HC vs 1 Clay) (since surpassed by Djokovic for GS matches)
5.Higher M1000 winning pct (despite 6 HC vs 3 Clay) (Djokovic now leads 82.27% vs 82.19%)
6.More Single titles (surpassed now by Djokovic)
7.More Double titles 11 to 1 (still remains)
8. Most Outdoor Titles in Open Era (90) (still remains)
9. Better Davis Cup Winning Record 29-1 vs 38-7 (still remains)
10.Better Olympics Singles Winning Record 10-2 (no match in clay) vs 13-6 (still remains)
11.Better Olympics Doubles Winning Record (still remains)
12. More Gold Medals 2 to 0 (still remains)
13. More Davis Cups 5 to 1 (team sport yes, but played crucial role in 4 of the 5 wins) (still remains)
14, Leads H2H in Official Doubles 2-0 (Both Matches in HC) (still remains)
15.More GS titles in less attempts (22 out of 66 vs 21 out of 68) (Djokovic now 24 out of 71 and Nadal 22 out of 67)
16. More US Opens (now tied)
17. More FO Opens (still remains)
18. More Italian Opens (still remains)
19. Most MC titles (still remains)
20. More Madrid (still remains)
21.More Canada (still remains)
22. Leads H2H Bo5 (12-7) (still remains)
23. Leads H2H biggest matches (Slams, National Rep, ATP Finals 15-11) (still remains)
24. Leads H2H Outdoor matches (still remains 26-25-included 2020 FO as indoor and 2018 Wimbledon as indoor or else still 27-26)
25. More Trophy wins from H2H (26 to 25, Nadal breakdown 10 slams, 1 Gold, 1 Davis Cup, 12 M1000, 1 250, 1 Doubles 250 vs 6 Slams 2 ATP Finals, 1 ATP Cup, 13 M1000, 2 ATP500, 1 250) (still remains)
26. Leads ATP Points in their H2H (still remains)
27. Won More Grass Games in their H2H (leads outdoor Grass 2 to 1) (still remains)
28. Defeated More GS Champions in way to his slam wins (still remains despite two less slams)
29. Higher Top 10 winning pct in Clay (still remains)
30. Higher Top 10 Winning Pct in Grass (still remains)
31. Most weeks in Top 2 (still remains)
32. More titles that required a Bo5 Final (still remains)
33. Highest Bo5 Title Finals Winning Pct Open Era (31-9 77,5%) (still remains)
34. More Weeks in Top 10 (still remains)
35. Overall Higher Finals Winning Pct (Djokovic now leads 71% to 70.8%)
36. More Channel Slams (still remains 2 to 1)
37. Golden Slam (still remains)
38. Only Player to win FO and USO 4 times same year (still remains)
39. Youngest Player to win the Career Slam (still remains)
40. Youngest Player to win 3 consecutive slams in 3 different surfaces (still remains)
41, Only player to win 450 matches both in Clay and HC (still remains, Open Era)
42. Only player in the Big 3 to win 25 or more titles in 2 different surfaces (still remains)
43. Only player in the Big 3 to have defeated a GS champion in all of his Slam wins (still remains)
44. Only player in the Big 3 to have defeated the other 2 (same tournament) a total of 3 times in BO5 matches En route to winning a Slam (still remains)
45. Only Player in the Big 3 to not have a losing H2H Bo5 against anyone minimum 2 matches. (still remains)
46. Higher Winning Pct Vs #1 108-66 62% Vs 104-79 57% (still remains but Djokovic now 109-81 57.4%)
47. Only Player to go undefeated in Bo5 Finals in favorite surface (still remains, 21-0 in Bo5 singles Clay matches, 26-0 if include DC team finals)
48. Only Player in history to be #1 in 3 different decades (still remains)
49. Longest Winning Surface Streak in Open Era (81) (still remains)
50. More Bo5 Straight set wins 5 to 2. (still remains)
51. 2 Bagels to 0 (still remains)
52. Defeated in all 3 surface finals in straight sets (IW 2007, Queens 2008, 4 times in Clay) (still remains)
53. Only ATP player to defeat 5 GS champions in winning a Major (2007 FO) it was also done by Serena in the WTA. (still remains)
54. Leads 5-4 GS Finals (6 matches OUTSIDE of clay) (still remains)
55. Higher winning pct in big matches (Slams, National representation, ATP Finals, M1000 despite more HC matches than Clay)(since surpassed by Djokovic)
56. Higher Bo5 winning pct vs Big 3 (24-12 vs 18-19 (Joker), 12-23 (Fed) (still remains)
57. Defeated 3 other members of the Big 4 to win a tournament (Tied with Federer) (still remains)
58. Won 6 straight Bo5 matches in all 3 surfaces (2006-2010) (still remains)
59. Leads the positive h2h by year 8-4-5 (still remains)
60. Only player of the big 3 to win 3 or more slams in category 1 (14 FO) and category 4 or higher court pace index (2 Wimbledon, AO 2022). (Djokovic equaled the feat by winning the FO 2023)

Added Records

1-Highest overall winning pct of the Big 3 vs GS champions 161-86 (65.2%)
2-Highest winning pct of the Big 3 vs GS champions in Bo5 60-22 (73%) vs 74-37 Fed (66.67%) and Djokovic 57-34 (62.64%)
3-Highest winning pct of the Big 3 vs multiple GS champions in Bo5 39-17 (69.64%), Fed 46-34 (57.5%), Djokovic 37-29 (56%)
4-Highest winning pct of the Big 3 vs GS champs in slams they won 35-16 (68.63%), Fed 29-24 (54.8%), Djokovic 26-24 (52%)
5-Highest winning pct of the Big 3 vs players that made Top 3 Nadal 247-110 (69.2%), Djokovic 261-120 (68.5%), Fed 298-139 (68.1)
 
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I am glad. These are literally only things he has againts and Djo. I think it wasn't smart to write thread like this one, as it can only backfire(and saying that Nadal leads outdoor grass 2:1 againts Djokovic... says everything about his records)
 
Tennfan123 said:
He has that intangible - his peak years were PEAK. Dethroning Federer in 2008. Getting the Career slam, no Golden slam, in his actual peak.
Djokovic had to wait until Federer and Nadal's peaks were done before he got all his 'numbers' together. :-D:laughing::-D
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He stopped Fed's 65-match grass winning streak in 2008. Interestingly, it was Federer who stopped Nadal's 81-win clay streak and also Djokovic's 41-win streak in 2011, so Fed also deserves some props.
 
joshuayuan said:
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Fair to bring this up. However, the Gold Medal which included a Bo5 Final is not included. In addition, only 22 out of those 65 titles required a Bo5 final while Nadal won 31 titles that required a Bo5 final. This included defeating GS champions to win 500 titles that required a Bo5 final (Barcelona and Stuttgart).
 
Next thread.

Nadal and Djokovic combined vs Federer and Djokovic combined vs Federer and Nadal combined.
 
mahatma said:
ROFL. Its getting too hilarious for me to see these lists. Trying to include false stats as well. Superb :)
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Ultimatetennisstas has incorrect info (might be technical issue) for example in their Bo5 stats they often leave out Bo5 matches OUTSIDE of Slams and Davis Cup. For example, they have Borg as the highest Bo5 match winning percentage at 89%. Borg has the highest GS winning pct Open era but not the overall highest winning BO5 percentage. In fact, both Nadal and Djokovic have higher Bo5 match percentages. The real numbers are:

Nadal 345-44 88.7% (highest open era)
Djokovic 364-54 87.0%
Borg 205-33 85.2% (non-ATP not included as Invitational and small draw tournaments even with those he goes to about 86.4% still lower than bull and joker)

Edit: technical glitch may explain why site has different data
 
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tennis_error said:
But the winner is Most weeks in top 2... It sum on everything we need to know, lol...

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exactly...sweeping clay season for 20 years while calling "injured" on other surfaces will not always give you #1 spot...
after all, it is just about 30% of the Tour content. Other 70%...you are waaaayyyy behind both of your major competitors...
 
AgassiSuperSlam11 said:
Fair to bring this up. However, the Gold Medal which included a Bo5 Final is not included. In addition, only 22 out of those 65 titles required a Bo5 final while Nadal won 31 titles that required a Bo5 final. This included defeating GS champions to win 500 titles that required a Bo5 final (Barcelona and Stuttgart).
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clllllllaaaaaaaayyyyyyy....
How many non-clay bo5 he has? 10? or less?
 
Tennfan123 said:
He has that intangible - his peak years were PEAK. Dethroning Federer in 2008. Getting the Career slam, no Golden slam, in his actual peak.
Djokovic had to wait until Federer and Nadal's peaks were done before he got all his 'numbers' together. :-D:laughing::-D
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He was 6-0 vs Nadal in 2011, right after 2010, when Nadal had his best year! Nadal had all these 'fake' injuries, no wonder they couldn't face each other besides RG!

In case you hadn't heard, within five days of his retirement due to injury against Kyrgios in '22 Wimbledon, he was jet skiing in the Med! He knew he had no chance against Kyrgios and Djokovic, so he had his 'serious' injury!

If he had known the result against Tiafoe in '22 UO, he would have come up with another 'injury'!
 
AgassiSuperSlam11 said:
1.More Slams
2.Higher lifetime Bo5 Finals winning pct (31-9 if include Davis Cup 35-9 vs 22-11)
3.Highest Bo5 Winning Pct Open Era (88.7%)-ultimate tennis stat is incorrect with their figures
4.Higher GS winning Pct (despite 2 HC vs 1 Clay)
5.Higher M1000 winning pct (despite 6 HC vs 3 Clay)
6.More Single titles
7.More Double titles 11 to 1
8. Most Outdoor Titles in Open Era (90)
9. Better Davis Cup Winning Record 29-1 vs 38-7
10.Better Olympics Singles Winning Record 10-2 (no match in clay) vs 13-6
11.Better Olympics Doubles Winning Record
12. More Gold Medals 2 to 0
13. More Davis Cups 5 to 1 (team sport yes, but played crucial role in 4 of the 5 wins)
14, Leads H2H in Official Doubles 2-0 (Both Matches in HC)
15.More GS titles in less attempts (22 out of 66 vs 21 out of 68)
16. More US Opens
17. More FO Opens
18. More Italian Opens
19. Most MC titles
20. More Madrid
21.More Canada
22. Leads H2H Bo5 (12-7)
23. Leads H2H biggest matches (Slams, National Rep, ATP Finals 15-11)
24. Leads H2H Outdoor matches
25. More Trophy wins from H2H (26 to 25, Nadal breakdown 10 slams, 1 Gold, 1 Davis Cup, 12 M1000, 1 250, 1 Doubles 250 vs 6 Slams 2 ATP Finals, 1 ATP Cup, 13 M1000, 2 ATP500, 1 250)
26. Leads ATP Points in their H2H
27. Won More Grass Games in their H2H (leads outdoor Grass 2 to 1)
28. Defeated More GS Champions in way to his slam wins
29. Higher Top 10 winning pct in Clay
30. Higher Top 10 Winning Pct in Grass
31. Most weeks in Top 2
32. More titles that required a Bo5 Final
33. Highest Bo5 Title Finals Winning Pct Open Era (31-9 77,5%)
34. More Weeks in Top 10
35. Overall Higher Finals Winning Pct
36. More Channel Slams
37. Golden Slam
38. Only Player to win FO and USO 4 times same year
39. Youngest Player to win the Career Slam
40. Youngest Player to win 3 consecutive slams in 3 different surfaces
41, Only player to win 450 matches both in Clay and HC
42. Only player in the Big 3 to win 25 or more titles in 2 different surfaces
43. Only player in the Big 3 to have defeated a GS champion in all of his Slam wins
44. Only player in the Big 3 to have defeated the other 2 (same tournament) a total of 3 times in BO5 matches En route to winning a Slam
45. Only Player in the Big 3 to not have a losing H2H Bo5 against anyone minimum 2 matches.
46. Higher Winning Pct Vs #1 108-66 62% Vs 104-79 57%
47. Only Player to go undefeated in Bo5 Finals in favorite surface
48. Only Player in history to be #1 in 3 different decades
49. Longest Winning Surface Streak in Open Era (81)
50. More Bo5 Straight set wins 5 to 2.
51. Two Bagels to 0
52. Defeated in all 3 surface finals in straight sets (IW 2007, Queens 2008, 4 times in Clay)
53. Only ATP player to defeat 5 GS champions in winning a Major (2007 FO) it was also done by Serena in the WTA.
54. Leads 5-4 GS Finals (6 matches OUTSIDE of clay)
55. Higher winning pct in big matches (Slams, National representation, ATP Finals, M1000 despite more HC matches than Clay)
56. Higher Bo5 winning pct vs Big 3 (24-12 vs 18-19 (Joker), 12-23 (Fed)

Plenty more but you guys enjoy this stuff, drops mic.
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Looks like they 50/50
 
SonnyT said:
He was 6-0 vs Nadal in 2011, right after 2010, when Nadal had his best year! Nadal had all these 'fake' injuries, no wonder they couldn't face each other besides RG!

In case you hadn't heard, within five days of his retirement due to injury against Kyrgios in '22 Wimbledon, he was jet skiing in the Med! He knew he had no chance against Kyrgios and Djokovic, so he had his 'serious' injury!

If he had known the result against Tiafoe in '22 UO, he would have come up with another 'injury'!
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He did say in November that he had another ab injury at USO
 
Winning percentage because he was so dominant on clay. Nole destroys him on all other surfaces. Singles titles, again inflated because of clay. More US OPen titles is big but I assume DJoker surpasses him there before retirement IF hes allowed to play Flushing.

Not sure about the Olympic Gold. Im sure Djoker will nab that one too before retirement.. Alot of those advantages are all clay court related. Nadal hasn't beaten him since the Obama administration anywhere else
 
Tennfan123 said:
He has that intangible - his peak years were PEAK. Dethroning Federer in 2008. Getting the Career slam, no Golden slam, in his actual peak.
Djokovic had to wait until Federer and Nadal's peaks were done before he got all his 'numbers' together. :-D:laughing::-D
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Actually Roger was at his peak in 2015, 2017, 2019 per his own assessment, so Novak getting the better of him, especially on his own (literal) turf is astonishing
 
Any Slam tournament that Nadal lost, he picked up another 'injury'! It's hard to keep track of all these injuries.

BTW, since '17 Djokovic leads by 8-2 in off clay Slams. The 2 by Nadal are '19 UO and '22 AO; the latter he vultured!
 
Topspin_80 said:
Hey, it was a joke.

Most people know Serbia is a landlocked country, so there's no Serbian sea.

Everybody knows he lives in a tax paradise, where he doesn't pay any taxes to his country, unlike Murray, or Nadal.
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And anyone with any brains should understand the difference between Serbian and UK/Spanish governments, corruption etc. would I pay my “taxes” into Serbian government or do my own donations for specific cause that overshadow tax amount? The answer is simple…

so, what is the point of your last sentence above??
 
dr325i said:
And anyone with any brains should understand the difference between Serbian and UK/Spanish governments, corruption etc. would I pay my “taxes” into Serbian government or do my own donations for specific cause that overshadow tax amount? The answer is simple…

so, what is the point of your last sentence above??
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Since you fancy yourself as a bright fella, I'll ask you to enlighten me by way of explaining the difference between the above mentioned countries.
Will you?
 
Topspin_80 said:
Since you fancy yourself as a bright fella, I'll ask you to enlighten me by way of explaining the difference between the above mentioned countries.
Will you?
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You should ask your parents to teach the basics about Serbian corruption, government and projects going on... The laws are politically driven and enforced. Or maybe, it is more obvious to me since I was born there and have my family and friends living there... I would not put my investments there...yet...
As for the UK/Spain....they have the laws...that are enforced...
 
dr325i said:
And anyone with any brains should understand the difference between Serbian and UK/Spanish governments, corruption etc. would I pay my “taxes” into Serbian government or do my own donations for specific cause that overshadow tax amount? The answer is simple…

so, what is the point of your last sentence above??
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Anyone knowledgeable about geopolitics and foreign policy knows this, but Djokofans will call you a 'racist'

Eastern Euro/Slavic countries have weak states and no respect for civil institutions. Not safe for business and investment
 
Also. I know most here see WTF/YEC as pointless exhos, but Rafa having a big fat "0" is pretty glaring considering his 'pigeons' both have 6

Even if he had 1 or 2, that would look better. But 0 is like...dude, what were you doing that you couldn't do this even once?
 
In my opinion, at this moment Nadal has only two meaningful stats worth mentioning over Djokovic. 1 slam more and Olympics singles gold, which btw, could and hopefully will be overtaken in a next two years. The other listed "advantages" are just trivial stats, nothing else...
 
Matrix968 said:
In my opinion, at this moment Nadal has only two meaningful stats worth mentioning over Djokovic. 1 slam more and Olympics singles gold, which btw, could and hopefully will be overtaken in a next two years. The other listed "advantages" are just trivial stats, nothing else...
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5-4 GS Finals (6 outside of clay), 15-11 (Slams, National Representation, ATP Finals with a distribution of 12 HC, 11 Clay, 3 Grass) and if you throw IW he still leads 16-14. Higher Bo5 winning pct even with less clay matches, plus better DC record, and a higher GS winning pct 88.2% (115 Clay matches) vs 87.7% (184 HC matches). A higher
GS winning pct despite 69 fewer matches on his favorite surface perhaps doesn't mean too much to some but far from trivial.

As for as no YEC a legit hole on his resume. However, if getting 2 silver medals on your least favorite surface (indoor HC) is bad then what does winning Silver (Fed) and Bronze (Djok) mean for them on their favorite surfaces? Both of the aforementioned had chances in Grass and HC while the Clay specialist never had one crack on clay nor in a Bo5 final.

As for as the slam race, I think it depends on the youngest generation if Alcaraz, Rune, Sinner, and FAA don't win slams then Djokovic will likely tie or win the race in 2 years, but I learned never to bet against Nadal. As for Gold the 2024 Olympics will be on Clay and perhaps Zverev (if healthy) or Alcaraz can wrestle for it. It's too speculative to know how much Joker and Bull have left at that point.
 
Well, one thing is for certain....

It's not 51 anymore.

And this - 31. Most weeks in Top 2 - LOL, Djokovic shooting himself in the foot here, by spending too many weeks at number one. Dang.
 
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