6,000 days

If there is a GOAT debate, this kind of achievement should all be in the mix.
Of course there is a Goat debate lol, and the number of years, weeks or days in the Top 5 or Top 10 as well as the number of reached Slam Finals, Slam SFs, Slam QFs, Slam 3rd is of secondary importance for the Goat debate. ;)
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
Bc Nadal was somehow always fresh as a daisy come claycourt season. Clay worked wonders on his injured knees.
Yeah and he can afford to skip parts of the season outside of clay while Fedr and Djokovic usually have too many points to defend in the case they do the same thing and that obviously sends them down in the rankings.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah and he can afford to skip parts of the season outside of clay while Fedr and Djokovic usually have too many points to defend in the case they do the same thing and that obviously sends them down in the rankings.
So whose fault is it that Federer and Djokovic don't dominate any surface to the extent that Rafa dominates clay. Federer and Djokovic have 75% of the tour to gain points on their favourite surface yet they are under pressure to earn enough points to see them through.
 
Show me where this is officially stated.
In the tennis common sense rulebook. ;) Of course people doesn't count the number of times player reaches 3 round of a Slam, outside of his closest relatives that is. In the same way no one, or almost no one, counts how much time one player had the ranking of # 8 in the world for example. Those facts, or "achievements" are pure trivia regarding the Goat debate. ;)
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
In the grand scheme of things what matters is the #1 spot. And there it looks a bit underwhelming tbh.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
In the tennis common sense rulebook. ;) Of course people doesn't count the number of times player reaches 3 round of a Slam, outside of his closest relatives that is. In the same way no one, or almost no one, counts how much time one player had the ranking of # 8 in the world for example. Those facts, or "achievements" are pure trivia regarding the Goat debate. ;)
You still haven't come up with the official source of these parameters of GOAT that you are quoting.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
So whose fault is it that Federer and Djokovic don't dominate any surface to the extent that Rafa dominates clay. Federer and Djokovic have 75% of the tour to gain points on their favourite surface yet they are under pressure to earn enough points to see them through.
That's besides the point.
 
You still haven't come up with the official source of these parameters of GOAT that you are quoting.
I know were you want to go with this, but I've told you just the other day, the goat isn't some subjective term, and isn't up for free interpretations for fans of a specific player, until it's 20-20-20 maybe you can have some of your subjective criterias, but the moment someone gains a more substantial lead in the Slam race, all the talk about "my favourite player is my Goat" will be a complete nonsense altogether.
 

Biotic

Hall of Fame
Have you played through chronic pain or injuries, and felt the difference between clay and the pounding you take on hard court?
You do have a point, but you're either injured or not. At least goes for anyone not named Nadal. He was somehow always fit to play in April, and it's clear that he deliberately took long breaks once claycourt season was over, not bc he was injured at that point.

I mean, he plays through injury on clay, and then takes 6 months off so he can be ready to play 5+ tournaments in 2 months on clay next year? That's ridiculous and noone but him does that. And it wasn't always about the knees.

So no, i don't think there's anything wrong with my first post.
 

ForehandRF

Hall of Fame
Yes it is because this is not about who was more dominant on his best surface.The thing is Federer and Djokovic usually had many points to defend even post USO and when they skipped the 2nd half of the season, they were out of the top 10.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
I know were you want to go with this, but I've told you just the other day, the goat isn't some subjective term, and isn't up for free interpretations for fans of a specific player, until it's 20-20-20 maybe you can have some of your subjective criterias, but the moment someone gains a more substantial lead in the Slam race, all the talk about "my favourite player is my Goat" will be a complete nonsense altogether.
See my post at #28.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Yeah and he can afford to skip parts of the season outside of clay while Fedr and Djokovic usually have too many points to defend in the case they do the same thing and that obviously sends them down in the rankings.
That seems to make sense, but it really doesn't. (Taking pandemic ranking rules out of the mix). It's like saying that a player who has a great 2022 has a disadvantage going into 2023. In the end, even the weekly rankings are not really about defending points, but about earning more points than your competition.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
You do have a point, but you're either injured or not. At least goes for anyone not named Nadal. He was somehow always fit to play in April, and it's clear that he deliberately took long breaks once claycourt season was over, not bc he was injured at that point.

I mean, he plays through injury on clay, and then takes 6 months off so he can be ready to play 5+ tournaments in 2 months on clay next year? That's ridiculous and noone but him does that. And it wasn't always about the knees.

So no, i don't think there's anything wrong with my first post.
Okay, you convinced yourself that this tired anti-Nadal talking point is a valid one.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes it is because this is not about who was more dominant on his best surface.The thing is Federer and Djokovic usually had many points to defend even post USO and when they skipped the 2nd half of the season, they were out of the top 10.
Logically, if you imply that Rafa can put his feet up after the clay season andstill end the year as #1 5 times then he is more dominant on clay than Federer and Djokovic are on grass and h/c because they don't win enough clay points to boulster the rest of the season, but Rafa earns enough points on his 'worst' surfaces to see him end the year as #1 5 times and nth number of times as #2.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
You do have a point, but you're either injured or not. At least goes for anyone not named Nadal. He was somehow always fit to play in April, and it's clear that he deliberately took long breaks once claycourt season was over, not bc he was injured at that point.

I mean, he plays through injury on clay, and then takes 6 months off so he can be ready to play 5+ tournaments in 2 months on clay next year? That's ridiculous and noone but him does that. And it wasn't always about the knees.

So no, i don't think there's anything wrong with my first post.
Rafa normally only plays MC, Barcelona, Madrid, Rome and RG in the clay season, with the potential of earning 5,500 points. That is not enough to get him to the top 5 at YE but he is able to earn points on h/c as well as opposed to Federer and Djokovic who are unable to do much on clay.
 

clayqueen

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes it is because this is not about who was more dominant on his best surface.The thing is Federer and Djokovic usually had many points to defend even post USO and when they skipped the 2nd half of the season, they were out of the top 10.
How can Rafa usually stay in the top 2 relying solely on a maximum of 5,500 points from the clay season.
 

GabeT

G.O.A.T.
Nice for Rafa, I guess.

but love the way posters come up with all these convoluted ways to measure results.

weeks within top 10 is an interesting target.

but it’s weeks at number 1 that matter.

Suppose Nadal had 10000 weeks in the top 10 but not a single one as top 1. Would anyone think much of his weeks at top 10 record? Of course not. Without weeks at #1 he’d just be a high flying journeyman.

So by all means celebrate this for those that care. Just remember what the real goal of any pro player is. It’s to reach number 1
 

Biotic

Hall of Fame
Rafa normally only plays MC, Barcelona, Madrid, Rome and RG in the clay season, with the potential of earning 5,500 points. That is not enough to get him to the top 5 at YE but he is able to earn points on h/c as well as opposed to Federer and Djokovic who are unable to do much on clay.
Wdym? Have they not been able to win points on clay for the past 10+ years?

Apart from 2017-2018 Djoko has consistently been in Top 2 on clay for the past 10 years. Even in 2008-2009.
 
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