6 finals in row for Medvedev.

Are we witnessing arrival of new ATG?

  • Yes

    Votes: 42 51.2%
  • No

    Votes: 7 8.5%
  • He is 2-3 time Slam winner

    Votes: 27 32.9%
  • MUG. OVERRATED. BAN OP.

    Votes: 6 7.3%

  • Total voters
    82

D.Nalby12

Legend
No, just no. When Murray actually wanted to play offense he could do it better than Medvedev. Do you see how awkward Medvedev looks when he tries to actually go for his forehand? He practically has to throw his whole body into the shot, and this can't be consistent. Do you see how far back he plays on return? It's almost impossible to play offensive returns from that position. At best he's starting points in neutral. Murray also has much better court sense and recognizes when to play on or inside the baseline to attack. I personally have not really seen this from Medvedev yet.

Rewatch this and realize how ignorant your post is.

This is exceptional match. Murray' average offense level is much lower than this.

Even considering peak performance, Murray's shots has very less power/pace compared to Medvedev. Murray might be better taking ball early on return but Medvedev' overall offensive ground game is better. He has weapons - Murray never really had one. Outstanding performance in one match in your entire career doesn't prove anything.
 
Imagine if Med Bear wins Shanghai, Paris, and WTF? What a run that would be. Then he could lose early in AO and it would all be for nothing in the grand scheme of things. Hopefully this is a good sign for his future in slams though.
 

D.Nalby12

Legend
No, just no. When Murray actually wanted to play offense he could do it better than Medvedev. Do you see how awkward Medvedev looks when he tries to actually go for his forehand? He practically has to throw his whole body into the shot, and this can't be consistent. Do you see how far back he plays on return? It's almost impossible to play offensive returns from that position. At best he's starting points in neutral. Murray also has much better court sense and recognizes when to play on or inside the baseline to attack. I personally have not really seen this from Medvedev yet.

Rewatch this and realize how ignorant your post is.

Watch his final against Federer. He was utterly dominated and outclassed in final when faced a truly offensive player.
 

D.Nalby12

Legend
we should remember that Nadal was not even at his 50% best during this final, so if he was playing good then it would have been over in 3 probably 4 sets. That being said he definitely is the best of the new comers.
Problem for Big 3 - it will be very rare from now they will be play 100%. It's not possible to sustain it post 33.
 
If you are trying to extol a certain player, then you should only mention the titles he's won and forget about the finals.

We're sick and tired of prospects, wannabes, runner-ups, also-runs, has-been's, will-be's and up-and-coming future stars.

If he is to be a new ATG, then he should be winning big tournaments already. Besides, he's not 16 anymore.
 

King No1e

Legend
No, just no. When Murray actually wanted to play offense he could do it better than Medvedev. Do you see how awkward Medvedev looks when he tries to actually go for his forehand? He practically has to throw his whole body into the shot, and this can't be consistent. Do you see how far back he plays on return? It's almost impossible to play offensive returns from that position. At best he's starting points in neutral. Murray also has much better court sense and recognizes when to play on or inside the baseline to attack. I personally have not really seen this from Medvedev yet.

Rewatch this and realize how ignorant your post is.

Just a random question: why was this match played on Armstrong stadium? It's a SF with Nadal and Murray, what happened that year?
 

DSH

Legend
This is exceptional match. Murray' average offense level is much lower than this.

Even considering peak performance, Murray's shots has very less power/pace compared to Medvedev. Murray might be better taking ball early on return but Medvedev' overall offensive ground game is better. He has weapons - Murray never really had one. Outstanding performance in one match in your entire career doesn't prove anything.
Medvedev 2019 is a bit better than Murray 2008.
But the Russian had the potential to win more Slams than the Scottish.
 

Justin Side

Hall of Fame
Wow. Over half the poll thinks this is the arrival of an all-time great? I think he'll win a few majors, but only because Fedalovic will be in wheelchairs. Ushering in the weakest of the weak eras.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
No, just no. When Murray actually wanted to play offense he could do it better than Medvedev. Do you see how awkward Medvedev looks when he tries to actually go for his forehand? He practically has to throw his whole body into the shot, and this can't be consistent. Do you see how far back he plays on return? It's almost impossible to play offensive returns from that position. At best he's starting points in neutral. Murray also has much better court sense and recognizes when to play on or inside the baseline to attack. I personally have not really seen this from Medvedev yet.

Rewatch this and realize how ignorant your post is.

GSM for Meddy because of his vastly superior serve; his 2nd serve is almost better than Murray's first and let's not talk about Murray's 2nd serve.:sick:
 

NFN

New User
There are always some trolls in every fanbase. Obviously it is a joke to call Roddick a mug. It doesn't mean we should go to the second extreme point and say he was a very strong opponent in all tournaments though. In some tournaments he was, in some not. Same thing about Medvedev. In USO he was a very tough opponent for Nadal, on the other hand in Toronto final he was terrible.

But the problem is that for some users here a player who lost any match to Nadal outside of clay is already a mug by default.
But its okay for you to bring down Djokovic and Murray constantly.
 

NFN

New User
Because Murray usually plays very bad in big matches, especially in slam finals. Even in the finals he actually won it looked more like his opponent lost than Murray won.
And he played great in many matches vs Djokovic and Nadal and Federer from 2008 to 2013 . Yet you give him stick and Djokovic stick then because your a hater.
 
And he played great in many matches vs Djokovic and Nadal and Federer from 2008 to 2013 . Yet you give him stick and Djokovic stick then because your a hater.
He did in some, but in many others he didn't. And yes, 2008-2013 were his best years. On the other hand in 2014-2016 he was not a threat at all to Federer and Djokovic, he was getting totally owned by them, without a fight. If Federer didn't lose to Raonic in Wimbledon 2016 then Murray would probably still have 2 slams.
 

NFN

New User
He did in some, but in many others he didn't. And yes, 2008-2013 were his best years. On the other hand in 2014-2016 he was not a threat at all to Federer and Djokovic, he was getting totally owned. If Federer didn't lose to Raonic in Wimbledon 2016 then Murray would still have 2 slams.
And the same can be said for the finalist they all played. Hewitt and Roddick and Federer/Djokovic on clay had bad matches or worse matches Nadal and Federer but you will never point that one out
Federer was not fully fit in Wimb 2016 and what does it matter since he lost anyway.
 
And the same can be said for the finalist they all played. Hewitt and Roddick and Federer/Djokovic on clay had bad matches or worse matches Nadal and Federer but you will never point that one out
Federer was not fully fit in Wimb 2016 and what does it matter since he lost anyway.
All players have bad matches. The problem is that Murray had them all the time in 2014-2016. In many of them he just totally collapsed at some point and stopped playing. This is not what you expect to see in a slam final. Just for comparison, even 33-34 years old Federer played better against Djokovic in these years.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
And he's still nowhere near Djokovic even at a year younger. Djokovic had a Slam, a WTF title and 5 Masters titles already.
Actually Medvedev's 2019 >>>>> Djoko's 2010 plus he has peak stats to back it up already on par on hard courts since Wimbledon with anything Djokovic has done for a year at any time in his career. Medvedev hasn't even served exceptionally well this year like he did in Tokyo 2018.

To be accurate Medvedev post Wimbledon is just a few months younger than Djoko at the start of 2019. :unsure:
Djoko post Wimbledon hard courts 2011, 54.7% points won. Mad Lad 2019 54.7%. If we go to post Wimbledon Masters events Mad Lad at 56.7%, Djoko2011 55.1%
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Actually Medvedev's 2019 >>>>> Djoko's 2010 plus he has peak stats to back it up already on par on hard courts since Wimbledon with anything Djokovic has done for a year at any time in his career. Medvedev hasn't even served exceptionally well this year like he did in Tokyo 2018.

To be accurate Medvedev post Wimbledon is just a few months younger than Djoko at the start of 2019. :unsure:
Djoko post Wimbledon hard courts 2011, 54.7% points won. Mad Lad 2019 54.7%. If we go to post Wimbledon Masters events Mad Lad at 56.7%, Djoko2011 55.1%
Well of course Medvedev's 2019 > 2010 since 2010 is Djokovic's second worst year ever but you didn't originally say that. You said he was a year younger than Djokovic was in 2011. I'm saying that Djokovic at that age was already miles ahead.

Mad Lad is not 2011 Djokovic, not even on hard court. He's had a good run but let's not get carried away.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Well of course Medvedev's 2019 > 2010 since 2010 is Djokovic's second worst year ever but you didn't originally say that. You said he was a year younger than Djokovic was in 2011. I'm saying that Djokovic at that age was already miles ahead.

Mad Lad is not 2011 Djokovic, not even on hard court. He's had a good run but let's not get carried away.
Mad Lad could be rapidly becoming better with a far better serve game.
 

NFN

New User
All players have bad matches. The problem is that Murray had them all the time in 2014-2016. In many of them he just totally collapsed at some point and stopped playing. This is not what you expect to see in a slam final. Just for comparison, even 33-34 years old Federer played better against Djokovic in these years.
And Nadal last 3 RG finals and his USO 2017 had a easier playing oppenent and you dont point that out. Or Djokovic fallin apart in RG14 after 2 sets and etc etc. Federer is not the normal 34 year old.
 
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Crisstti

Legend
Wasn't aware of Fed's and Novak's 17 finals streaks. That's amazing.

Are there any not all time great players who had a 6 final streak? (of course, Med's could still increase)
 

Crisstti

Legend
Well of course Medvedev's 2019 > 2010 since 2010 is Djokovic's second worst year ever but you didn't originally say that. You said he was a year younger than Djokovic was in 2011. I'm saying that Djokovic at that age was already miles ahead.

Mad Lad is not 2011 Djokovic, not even on hard court. He's had a good run but let's not get carried away.
Med now shouldn't be compared to 2011 Novak anyway. More likely to 2007 or 2008 Novak. He's just really breaking through. At a later age than other all time greats, but so are things now it seems.
 
I think it's too late. He could take #1 spot for sure but can't prevent Djokodal fluking Slams here and there. Nadal just needs one more and he seems to have solution to Medvedev' game.
If you find me an unedited post of yours where you say Federer fluked a slam I will reserve my opinion of your garbage post....ops....there I said it.
 
Med now shouldn't be compared to 2011 Novak anyway. More likely to 2007 or 2008 Novak. He's just really breaking through. At a later age than other all time greats, but so are things now it seems.
2008 Murray, more like. Similar breakthrough timing (post-Wimbledon) and scope: Murray had Canada SF (Nadal), Cincy W (beat Djokovic), USO F (beat Nadal, lost to Federer), Madrid W (beat Federer), YEC SF (Davydenko). Madlad currently stands at Canada F (Nadal), Cincy W (beat Djokovic), USO F (Nadal), Madrid pending the final.
 
2008 Murray, more like. Similar breakthrough timing (post-Wimbledon) and scope: Murray had Canada SF (Nadal), Cincy W (beat Djokovic), USO F (beat Nadal, lost to Federer), Madrid W (beat Federer), YEC SF (Davydenko). Madlad currently stands at Canada F (Nadal), Cincy W (beat Djokovic), USO F (Nadal), Madrid pending the final.
Back then it really looked like Murray might become the next big player. Unfortunately, he never really become better in slam finals compared to his first final in USO 2008.
 
He is a hater. Talk bad about Nadal and weak draws at the USO he will start getting touchy.
Yeah, keep convincing yourself that matches like AO 2015 or RG 2016 where Murray totally collapsed after a while were good matches from him.
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
Do you see how far back he plays on return? It's almost impossible to play offensive returns from that position. At best he's starting points in neutral. Murray also has much better court sense and recognizes when to play on or inside the baseline to attack.

Rewatch this and realize how ignorant your post is.
Yup. That guy in grey t-shirt is Murray. Do you see how far back he plays on return?




 

fundrazer

Legend
Yup. That guy in grey t-shirt is Murray. Do you see how far back he plays on return?




Watch him on return though with the split step he takes. He starts off very far back but moves up on his split step. He's still behind the baseline a fair bit, but he can hit more offensive returns.
 

robthai

Hall of Fame
Zverev has 0 Slam finals. Not comparable to Medvedev at all.

Thiem was destroyed in the third and fourth set of the RG 2019 final 6-1, 6-1. Medvedev had chances to defeat Nadal. Medvedev is much better than Thiem.
Thiem lost on clay to Nadal. I'm pretty sure Medvedev would have done worse on clay against Nadal. Look at their clay result when Thiem played Medvedev on clay, he destroyed him.
 

WhiskeyEE

Legend
I remember reading about Med's coach referring to him as a "genius." Coaches for sure like to prop up their students but you don't hear comments like that often.
 

clout

Hall of Fame
People are constantly calling Roddick a mug even after what he did in 2003.

Note, I'm not calling Medvedev a mug. I'm actually applauding his effort. He is the best of the young guns.
No player on the ATP circuit is actually a mug. The fact that they can go professional is the anti-mug. Only non-professionals like me, you, and everyone else on this forum can be called that lol.

With that said, Medvedev is on pace to having a much better career than Roddick and dare I say, even the likes of Murray tbh.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
No player on the ATP circuit is actually a mug. The fact that they can go professional is the anti-mug. Only non-professionals like me, you, and everyone else on this forum can be called that lol.

With that said, Medvedev is on pace to having a much better career than Roddick and dare I say, even the likes of Murray tbh.
Eveeyone is. Medvedev won't have to deal with the Big 3 like Roddick and Murray did.
 
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