90s born male players have only won 2 grand slams

roysid

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Today I read in a news report that 90s born male tennis players have only two grand slams(singles). That shook me up like anything. Only 2 slams for a decade full of players.
In case you are wondering who those players are ..its Dominic Thiem and Danil Medvedev.

Right now 2000s born players have won more slams. The race is on though.

Now I wonder how many slams 80s born players have won. I believe it should be much bigger. Can anyone help me with that
 
Terenigma

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I still believe in both Medvedev and Zverev to increase those numbers. Maybe Tsitsipas too but yeah 80s was prime and I don't know the numbers but you've got, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray in that era, Also Cilic. Also Delpo. Strong 80s era!
 
roysid

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duaneeo said:
I've been voicing this for years.
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True that's the dominant decade for the players to win in their 20s to 30s.
Another perspective is that there are 40 slams in a decade. So thats the average slam count should be for one decade of players.

80s born players have won double of that. They have eaten up almost entire share of 90s players.
 
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It's weird. Until 10-15 years ago, the wisdom with men's tennis was that young players were teenagers and early 20s at most, mid 20s was a player's peak, and late 20s to early 30s was like retirement time. Apart from Connors, and to a lesser extent Agassi, early 30s was usually when players retired at most. And then during the 2010s decade, it completely switched round, eventually to the extent where only players in their 30s were winning major titles, Federer getting within a point of winning Wimbledon at age 37, Nadal winning a major at age 36, Djokovic winning multiple majors and being a dominant world number 1 at age 35-36 etc.
 
Terenigma

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Man I forgot Ruud has made 3 GS finals. That's actually kind of insane given how little he is talked about here. It's not like he has gone away either. I wonder if he could ever re-kindle his form?
 
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MeatTornado said:
The full list of 90s slam finalists as far as I can tell

1-5 Medvedev
1-3 Thiem
0-3 Ruud
0-2 Tsitsipas
0-1 Berrettini
0-1 Kyrgios
0-1 Raonic
0-1 Zverev
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Funny thing is 3 of these dudes are basically retired. And not sure what's going on with Berrettnini. I guess Med wins best 90s player by default.
 
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insideguy said:
Funny thing is 3 or these dudes are basically retired. And not sure what's going on with Berrettnini. I guess Med wins best 90s player by default.
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I passed by Berrettini in Dubai airport lounge on morning of 7 January. Think he was on his way to Melbourne but clearly didn't look ready to compete. Was talking to some other guy about his travels and injury updates
Could still be some time before he returns to the tour unfortunately
 
Smecz

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Terenigma said:
I still believe in both Medvedev and Zverev to increase those numbers. Maybe Tsitsipas too but yeah 80s was prime and I don't know the numbers but you've got, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray in that era, Also Cilic. Also Delpo. Strong 80s era!
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Actually, Tsitsipas is the worst because he has one hand in it.

He may have the hardest time winning a grand slam, despite having already made multiple GS finals.

Zverev will never win a Grand Slam if he doesn't change his approach and behavior...

Medvedev will definitely win, it's just a matter of time...
 
roysid

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duaneeo said:
I've been voicing this for years.
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To elaborate, 80s born players won 30(or 29) slams in 2000s which should have been their dominant decade.

But then they also won all 40 slams in 2010s i.e completely wiping out 90s born players.

And even in 2020s, they've won 11 slams of the 16 played. Eating into their 3rd decade. And by players born in 86 and 89 i.e not just short of 90. Amazing
 
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insideguy said:
Funny thing is 3 of these dudes are basically retired. And not sure what's going on with Berrettnini. I guess Med wins best 90s player by default.
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And I don't think it's even close. Most slam finals, most Masters 1000 titles, and actually has time at World #1. And also a YEC, which is something his main rival in this discussion (Thiem) doesn't have.

Zverev is the only one that could still make this competitive down the road, despite how unlikely that is. Just for the fact that he's right there in Masters wins, has 2 YEC titles and an Olympic Gold.
 
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roysid said:
Would be interesting to know how much 70s and 60s born players won.
I.e total slams won.
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60s and 70s boys won in the 30s....it is under 40 I think so. For them careers ended very quickly and homogenisation was not a thing. 80s borns gobbled 2 decades
 
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I'm convinced it's the financial crash of the late 2000s diminishing the talent pool of players born in the mid 90s.

How many working class and middle class kids were having tennis lessons when they were children/teenagers, only to have them stopped suddenly when tennis clubs closed, parents could no longer afford lessons and coaching, and local authorities could no longer provide funding for young talent etc?

Many players born in the early 2000s probably wouldn't have started lessons until the economy was on the rise again.

They won't all necessarily go on to become pros (same as any generation), but a wider talent pool would surely have provided sterner competition for those who did, to grind their teeth so to speak.

It'll be interesting (and potentially quite sad) to see what impact the COVID lockdown and subsequent economic difficulties will have had on players born in the late 2000s and early 2010s.
 
Third Serve

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It's not totally fair to only lean on the stats, but in this case it's appropriate. The 90's-born cohort never really had to deal with insurmountable opposition like the late-80's group (among them Delpo and Cilic). Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic were very much beatable in the later stages of their careers, and if these players had lived up to the standard of previous "next gens," we'd have seen a passing of the torch at around 2016 or 2017 when the last of the Big3 (Djokovic) finally left his prime. But no, that never happened, so we've had to wait for the 2000's kids to finally pick up the slack. It's impossible to overstate just how underwhelming the 90's players have been relative to all others in the Open Era.
 
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Third Serve said:
It's not totally fair to only lean on the stats here, but in this case it's appropriate. The 90's-born cohort never really had to deal with insurmountable opposition like the late-80's group (among them Delpo and Cilic). Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic were very much beatable in the later stages of their careers, and if these players had lived up to the standard of previous "next gens," we'd have seen a passing of the torch at around 2016 or 2017 when the last of the Big3 (Djokovic) finally left his prime. But no, that never happened, so we've had to wait for the 2000's kids to finally pick up the slack. It's impossible to overstate just how underwhelming the 90's players have been relative to all others in the Open Era.
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Pretty much.
 
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I am trying to think of another sport where the best players were all over 35 years old. I mean Brady I guess. Lebron has been great But even he hasn't won an MVP since 2013. Maybe some of you euro fans of bike racing or something could come up with dudes. But I cant think of a sport where dudes couldnt win the big titles when they were in their 20s. I mean they gave Messi the best player award but was he really the best soccer player last year?
 
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insideguy said:
I am trying to think of another sport where the best players were all over 35 years old. I mean Brady I guess. Lebron has been great But even he hasn't won an MVP since 2013. Maybe some of you euro fans of bike racing or something could come up with dudes. But I cant think of a sport where dudes couldnt win the big titles when they were in their 20s. I mean they gave Messi the best player award but was he really the best soccer player last year?
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But were all of his teammates mid 30's or older?
 
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Winners or Errors said:
Shame on those 80s players for continuing to play. They should have been forced to retire so the 90s guys could win something just like @Hitman proposed in a thread last week, no? ;) Then we wouldn't have this damning statistic.
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lol true that, what a dumb way to look at things indeed…which is more plausible that 3 freaks won just about everything or an entire generation of professionals didn’t know how to play tennis. I pick the former, ppl can believe whatever makes them happy
 
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pirhaksar said:
lol true that, what a dumb way to look at things indeed…which is more plausible that 3 freaks won just about everything or an entire generation of professionals didn’t know how to play tennis. I pick the former, ppl can believe whatever makes them happy
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If Murray and Wawrinka can both win 3 slams during a time when the 3 freaks were younger, surely 90s-born players should've been able to win more than a combined two during a time when the 3 freaks were older/absent/retired.
 
mike danny

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pirhaksar said:
lol true that, what a dumb way to look at things indeed…which is more plausible that 3 freaks won just about everything or an entire generation of professionals didn’t know how to play tennis. I pick the former, ppl can believe whatever makes them happy
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How did Safin, Stan, Murray and Delpo win 8 slams against the younger Big 3 then?
 
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roysid said:
Today I read in a news report that 90s born male tennis players have only two grand slams(singles). That shook me up like anything. Only 2 slams for a decade full of players.
In case you are wondering who those players are ..its Dominic Thiem and Danil Medvedev.

Right now 2000s born players have won more slams. The race is on though.

Now I wonder how many slams 80s born players have won. I believe it should be much bigger. Can anyone help me with that
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How would the 2000s born players do against Nadal, Djokovic, Federer, Wawrinka, Del Potro, and Murray if they were a decade younger?
 
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When you look at sinners cv, he reached some prodigy milestones early in his career:
- won a challenger with 17
- the youngest player in the year-end top 80 since Rafa
- the youngest quarterfinalist at the french open since novak
- the youngest to win back-to-back ATP titles since Rafa

Of course Alcaraz also has similar milestones.

What about the 90s kids? Who were the prodigies?
 
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