A 38-year old player is the world no 3. Weak era?

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/last-match-was-best-i-ever-played-says-sampras-83754.html

"Everyone was getting better when I was No 1 in the world and winning majors left and right. I was 10 times the player as I got older. When I was dominating I didn't have any bad matches and players overall weren't as good. The 2002 US Open Pete would beat the 1994 or 1995 Pete easily."

Same sort of stuff Fed says.
Nah, he's talking about his form during one tournament which was amazing, and probably among the best of his life. The problem with using Pete's quotes is that he contradicts himself on his level. Case in point, "Legends of Wimbledon" he says that his match against Andre was the best tennis he's ever played in his life. In the same series he says Wimbledon 1997 was the best he's ever played at Wimbledon etc.
Also, in interviews before the 2007 US Open he said during his prime the competition was much deeper than today.
Fed doesn't contradict himself like this (to my knowledge).
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Nah, he's talking about his form during one tournament which was amazing, and probably among the best of his life. The problem with using Pete's quotes is that he contradicts himself on his level. Case in point, "Legends of Wimbledon" he says that his match against Andre was the best tennis he's ever played in his life. In the same series he says Wimbledon 1997 was the best he's ever played at Wimbledon etc.
Fed doesn't contradict himself like this (to my knowledge).
Nah he's not. Look at the whole quote.

"Players got better"

"10x the player as I got older"

Etc...hes not talking about just the USO he's talking generally.

And Fed talks about being a better player now but still names the USO 2004 final as his best match IIRC.
 

RF-18

G.O.A.T.
I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Federer running around the tennis court like he's in his mid-20s and didn't show a single sign of fatigue (he ran more during the match than Djokovic did, BTW). The era is defined by a player's FORM, not their age. And with Federer's current form, being in the top 3 is not a surprise at all.
This. It's shocking people still point to his age. For god sake Djokovic was the more tired one in their final. He even said post match he was longing for that TB.

Federer is playing amazing tennis and is rightfully where he is. His age is irrelevant.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
Nah he's not. Look at the whole quote.

"Players got better"

"10x the player as I got older"

Etc...hes not talking about just the USO he's talking generally.

And Fed talks about being a better player now but still names the USO 2004 final as his best match IIRC.
I did. Next paragraph he says it was because he went for more on his second serve and approached more, two things he could have easily done in his prime.
Feddie's quote shows that in his mid 30s he's moving as well as ever, hitting his forehand as well as ever, and volleying and hitting the backhand better than ever before. So he has improved technically. Unlike Pete.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
Quotes do count when you claim opposite of what Laver said. Show the quote where LAver said "without doubt Fed is playing the best tennis ever". Said no one ever.
You PROVIDED the quote where Laver essentially says that and are now arguing semantics and word choice
=)
 

AceSalvo

Legend
You PROVIDED the quote where Laver essentially says that and are now arguing semantics and word choice
=)
Semantics which says "he might" which means he is not sure. But that translates as a he is 100% sure for you. I think you should check the dictionary.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
So now citing and quoting is the same??
"Best tennis I've ever played in my life...at a time and place where you don't usually play your best tennis." -Sampras re: Wimbledon final 1999
"That was the best I've ever played at Wimbledon...probably the only slam where I felt like 'wow I played great every match'." - Sampras re: Wimbledon 1997
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I did. Next paragraph he says it was because he went for more on his second serve and approached more, two things he could have easily done in his prime.
Feddie's quote shows that in his mid 30s he's moving as well as ever, hitting his forehand as well as ever, and volleying and hitting the backhand better than ever before. So he has improved technically. Unlike Pete.
Sure let's take everything these guys are saying as the truth. I guess 2000-2002 was actually a strong era then as the players were better than when Pete was cleaning up at the majors. As a big Hewitt fan I'm happy about this.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
"Best tennis I've ever played in my life...at a time and place where you don't usually play your best tennis." -Sampras re: Wimbledon final 1999
"That was the best I've ever played at Wimbledon...probably the only slam where I felt like 'wow I played great every match'." - Sampras re: Wimbledon 1997
Where is the link to prove that??

I can type anything I want too.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Sure let's take everything these guys are saying as the truth. I guess 2000-2002 was actually a strong era then as the players were better than when Pete was cleaning up at the majors. As a big Hewitt fan I'm happy about this.
SaintPetros can't see his duplicity.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
Sure let's take everything these guys are saying as the truth. I guess 2000-2002 was actually a strong era then as the players were better than when Pete was cleaning up at the majors. As a big Hewitt fan I'm happy about this.
I see you haven't responded to my breakdown of each man's quote which you were quoting? Pete clarified he felt he was better because he went bigger on the second and approached more, two things he could have easily done in his prime/peak.
Feddie stated he was moving as well as ever, hitting his forehand as well as ever, and better off his backhand and volleys...so again, he maintained his peak strengths and improved his weaknesses...i.e. became a better player.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Just wanted to make sure you saw the link you asked for.
Thanks.
"Look, I was able to experience the highest level of tennis. It was my first time on Centre Court at Wimbledon. My first and only time I played Pete. " - Federer

Roger Federer had no doubt when admitting that his win over Pete Sampras in the fourth round of Wimbledon in 2001 is the best tennis match he ever played.


Mar 2017.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
"Look, I was able to experience the highest level of tennis. It was my first time on Centre Court at Wimbledon. My first and only time I played Pete. " - Federer

Roger Federer had no doubt when admitting that his win over Pete Sampras in the fourth round of Wimbledon in 2001 is the best tennis match he ever played.


Mar 2017.
Second sentence is interpretation. First sentence is just him talking about playing at the highest level against Pete.
This is laughable compared to Fed's DIRECT quote outlining specific aspects of his game which have stayed as good as ever, and weaknesses which have improved. I notice you don't ask for this quote because you know its existence and don't want to face it.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Second sentence is interpretation. First sentence is just him talking about playing at the highest level against Pete.
This is laughable compared to Fed's DIRECT quote outlining specific aspects of his game which have stayed as good as ever, and weaknesses which have improved. I notice you don't ask for this quote because you know its existence and don't want to face it.
He clearly says that it was the highest level of tennis he experienced. So now what Fed says does not count??? But Fed's belief's are fact??

""Look, I was able to experience the highest level of tennis. " - Federer

So you are disputing what Fed experienced??
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
He clearly says that it was the highest level of tennis he experienced. So now what Fed says does not count???
Let's grant your point. You're talking about a single match - which only works to show that an absolutely god-level Fed was required to beat an exhausted, worn-out Pete on slowed down grass btw ROFLMAO!!!! - as opposed to Fed's level in general which is what his, Laver, McEnroe, Djokovic's quotes etc. are talking about.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I see you haven't responded to my breakdown of each man's quote which you were quoting? Pete clarified he felt he was better because he went bigger on the second and approached more, two things he could have easily done in his prime/peak.
Feddie stated he was moving as well as ever, hitting his forehand as well as ever, and better off his backhand and volleys...so again, he maintained his peak strengths and improved his weaknesses...i.e. became a better player.
Whatever Fed has said about his game at least he doesn't claim to be 10x the player of his youth lol.

Honestly the lengths you're going to here to have your cake and eat it are quite sad. Yes Federer claims he's lost nothing but added a superior backhand and volley, but such statements pale in comparison to Pete claiming he was 10x better in his older years :-D

Also if Sampras didn't hit his second serve as well or approach enough there's likely technical reasons for that too right? Unless you think Sampras is talking purely tactics when he says he was 10x the player...

But sure keep on ignoring the parts of his quote which don't fit your agenda. Why should I expect you to have any intellectual honesty?
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Let's grant your point. You're talking about a single match (which only works to show that an absolutely god-level Fed was required to beat an exhausted, worn-out Pete btw ROFLMAO!!!!) as opposed to Fed's level in general which is what his, Laver, McEnroe, Djokovic etc. are talking about.
Granted it was only about a single match. Laver said "he might venture" about Fed playing his best ever.

Please quote with link that Laver said he is 100% sure without doubt that Fed is playing his best ever.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
Whatever Fed has said about his game at least he doesn't claim to be 10x the player of his youth lol.

Honestly the lengths you're going to here to have your cake and eat it are quite sad. Yes Federer claims he's lost nothing but added a superior backhand and volley, but such statements pale in comparison to Pete claiming he was 10x better in his older years :-D

Also if Sampras didn't hit his second serve as well or approach enough there's likely technical reasons for that too right? Unless you think Sampras is talking purely tactics when he says he was 10x the player...

But sure keep on ignoring the parts of his quote which don't fit your agenda. Why should I expect you to have any intellectual honesty?
Yes, I do. Annacone and Gullickson period Pete were vastly different tactical players, as anyone familiar with Pete knows.
EDIT: It's rich to hear it from a Fedfan that I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too, i.e. the entire psychology of your fanbase.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Yes, I do. Annacone and Gullickson period Pete were vastly different tactical players, as anyone familiar with Pete knows.
EDIT: It's rich to hear it from a Fedfan that I'm trying to have my cake and eat it too, i.e. the entire psychology of your fanbase.
You have no clue what your yapping.

Talking tactics translated as playing tactical as compared to some previous era. Astounding level of nonsense.
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
Granted it was only about a single match. Laver said "he might venture" about Fed playing his best ever.

Please quote with link that Laver said he is 100% sure without doubt that Fed is playing his best ever.
You're hanging onto the word "venture" too strongly. The context of Laver's entire quote makes his meaning clear:

"He’s playing so well at the moment. I might venture he’s playing the best tennis of his life. He was playing like this 10 or 15 years ago, but his timing is perfect at this juncture. He used to mis-hit a lot of balls at varying times, with chances to break serve. (In the Miami final vs. Nadal) I think he mis-hit one ball, a forehand that went out about 5 or 10 feet. It’s uncanny. It’s (the backhand) night and day. It’s like he found a totally new backhand. (Nadal) has that left-handed forehand that goes into Roger’s backhand, so he usually starts the point behind. Now he’s capable of holding up under the pressure Rafa puts him under.”

He compares Fed to his younger self and notes IMPROVEMENTS: timing, and backhand.
 
Federer fans are comedy gold. Federer was being schooled by Djokovic and Nadal from 2008 onwards more often than not and not been YE1 since 2009. It appears to them the last decade has been a weak era yet the era of Phillipousis, Henman, Roddick, Baghdatis, Gonzales and Ferrero was the truly tough era.
Why consider 'YE 1' instead of just being no. 1. Is it more valuable to become No. 1 at November than at February ?
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
They key is also he mentioned his whole observation is based on the word "might" as in "maybe".
The observations on timing and backhand have absolutely nothing to do with "might" or "maybe".

"He’s playing so well at the moment. I might venture he’s playing the best tennis of his life. He was playing like this 10 or 15 years ago, but his timing is perfect at this juncture. He used to mis-hit a lot of balls at varying times, with chances to break serve. (In the Miami final vs. Nadal) I think he mis-hit one ball, a forehand that went out about 5 or 10 feet. It’s uncanny. It’s (the backhand) night and day. It’s like he found a totally new backhand. (Nadal) has that left-handed forehand that goes into Roger’s backhand, so he usually starts the point behind. Now he’s capable of holding up under the pressure Rafa puts him under.”
-Rod Laver
 

AceSalvo

Legend
The observations on timing and backhand have absolutely nothing to do with "might" or "maybe".

"He’s playing so well at the moment. I might venture he’s playing the best tennis of his life.
-Rod Laver
"Definitely playing his best ever" said no Laver ever.

Laver is very clear that he is venturing into the topic. Care to check the meaning of the word "venture"???
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
"Definitely playing his best ever" said no Laver ever.
So you think that when Laver goes on to compare Fed to his prime self and notes improvements he's stating that what...he's the same level? Worse? Lol.
Stop dude, you're embarrassing yourself. Please.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Some of these guys are gonna fade now that likes got deep-sixed.

But this dude never did tell me what his deal ( ;) ) was.

All we do know... is that this ain't no T_H multi-quote beatdown. :)

I seriously do look forward to the next bulldog session.
ROFLMAOboy definitely needs a bigger head(size). I don't pull out my Radicals for slackers.

:unsure:
 

AceSalvo

Legend
So you think that when Laver goes on to compare Fed to his prime self and notes improvements he's stating that what...he's the same level? Worse? Lol.
Stop dude, you're embarrassing yourself. Please.
So you are ignoring the fact that Laver said he "might venture" into describing Fed??? Stop the repeated ignorance. "Please"
 

SaintPetros

Hall of Fame
So you are ignoring the fact hat Laver said he "might venture" into describing Fed??? Stop the repeated ignorance. "Please"
This is embarrassing. But at least I got you to admit for posterity that Fed played at his absolute god-level best to beat a worn out, poor-playing PETE (which he has said).
'nuff said.
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AceSalvo

Legend
This is embarrassing. But at least I got you to admit for posterity that Fed played at his absolute god-level best to beat a worn out, poor-playing PETE (which he has said).
'nuff said.
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I am still surprised that you sticking by Sampras' quotes after retirement, yet cannot fathom that Laver said "he might venture" when describing current Fed. Sounds like a hypocrite.

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