A 38-year old player is the world no 3. Weak era?

NatF

Bionic Poster
Explain why all the best athletes around the world are mid 30's then? But hey, don't let facts get in the way of excuse making for Federer losses.
A few =/= All
Other sports =/= Tennis

Also you said 40, not mid 30's. Moving the goalposts already? :-D

Tennis has been getting older since the mid to early 00's but for every Federer there's a Ferrer, Berdych, Tsonga, Gasquet etc...who all declined in their early to mid 30's. Saying there's no reason not to peak until 40 is delusional at best.
 

Pantera

Hall of Fame
A few =/= All
Other sports =/= Tennis

Also you said 40, not mid 30's. Moving the goalposts already? :-D

Tennis has been getting older since the mid to early 00's but for every Federer there's a Ferrer, Berdych, Tsonga, Gasquet etc...who all declined in their early to mid 30's. Saying there's no reason not to peak until 40 is delusional at best.
Doctor's alas disagree with you. Federer has not had any verifiable significant injury like the players you refer to so there is no reason he cannot play until 40 at his peak level.

Federer isn't 40 yet so no goalposts have been moved.

Anyway surely Federer fans want him to stay peak as I guess 24-16 looks a bit better than 23-10...…..
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Doctor's alas disagree with you. Federer has not had any verifiable significant injury like the players you refer to so there is no reason he cannot play until 40 at his peak level.

Federer isn't 40 yet so no goalposts have been moved.

Anyway surely Federer fans want him to stay peak as I guess 24-16 looks a bit better than 23-10...…..
Now you're citing "doctors", OK then :-D

Can other people see these doctors you speak to? :unsure:
 

SaintPetros

Professional
Lol at the Fedfans deriding Novak's win over Freddie and then in the same breath making excuses for why it took peak Fredster 5 sets to take out grandpa Agassi. Hurricane conditions, anything can happen lol like Agassi wasn't playing under the same conditions. The Hurricane must have favored him over poor Freddie
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Lol at the Fedfans deriding Novak's win over Freddie and then in the same breath making excuses for why it took peak Fredster 5 sets to take out grandpa Agassi. Hurricane conditions, anything can happen lol like Agassi wasn't playing under the same conditions. The Hurricane must have favored him over poor Freddie
Never heard the term wind is the great equaliser? :rolleyes: Seeing as you like to ride Djokovic's coattails these days, look at the way the wind unsettled him against Thiem this year at the FO or at the USO in 2012 against Ferrer - battered 6-2 in the wind and then comes back to win 1-4-2 in still conditions.

The amount of disingenuous bollocks people write on here.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Never heard the term wind is the great equaliser? :rolleyes: Seeing as you like to ride Djokovic's coattails these days, look at the way the wind unsettled him against Thiem this year at the FO or at the USO in 2012 against Ferrer - battered 6-2 in the wind and then comes back to win 1-4-2 in still conditions.

The amount of disingenuous bollocks people write on here.
Sampras is almost forgotten so he's butthurt, little wonder.
 

SaintPetros

Professional
Never heard the term wind is the great equaliser? :rolleyes: Seeing as you like to ride Djokovic's coattails these days, look at the way the wind unsettled him against Thiem this year at the FO or at the USO in 2012 against Ferrer - battered 6-2 in the wind and then comes back to win 1-4-2 in still conditions.

The amount of disingenuous bollocks people write on here.
Novak was not on his 2nd best surface in his 25 year old peak playing a Grandpa, rather he was the grandpa playing a youngster on his best surface in his peak :)
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Actually PETE is quite well remembered, check out the former pro player section to verify.
He needs Becker's career to match Fed LMAO.

3 players surpassed him in the last 10 years. Imagine the next 30-40 years. Will he even be in the top 10? I think not.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Statistically Novak's 2 best surfaces are grass and plexicushion.
Ah the old Nadal fan augment where you pretend plexicushion and decoturf are different surfaces lol.

And that wasn't the case in 2012, the USO was his second most successful major back then. Its only after Beckers tutelage that Djokovic really took to grass imo.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
2003-2007
Safin, Roddick, Hewitt, Nalbandian, Davydenko, Ferrero, Nadal, Djoko

2014-2019
Nadal, Murray, Stan, Thiem

After thoughts:
Berdych, Ferrer, Anderson, Raonic, Cilic, Dimitriov, Nishikori, Delpotro, Kyrgios, Zverev

:-D:-D:-D
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
1976 posts in and you're still just pulling **** out your ass :-D

No reason to not be peaking even at 40 years old you say :-D:-D
Messi, Ronaldo, Djokovic, Lebron James are all in their 30s and the best players in their respective sports. Don't act like it's just tennis.
 

ReeceSachs

Professional
It's been a couple of seasons actually. He was just part of an amazing team at Real Madrid.
In 2016-17 and 2017-18 Madrid saved him for big games only and he performed.
Zidane plan worked very well knowing his body can operate the same as when he was younger. Last season was more drastic though but a new club and new players didn’t help...
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Messi, Ronaldo, Djokovic, Lebron James are all in their 30s and the best players in their respective sports. Don't act like it's just tennis.
Team sports for the most part, and 30's is not 40 like Pantera said - which is what I took issue with if you care to read the discussion.

There is a trend towards older athletes but whether those athletes are peaking or slowing their decline is the question.

I don't follow football or basketball that much, but I don't think it's clear that those are necessarily the best players in those sports - maybe Messi in football.
 

SaintPetros

Professional
Ah the old Nadal fan augment where you pretend plexicushion and decoturf are different surfaces lol.

And that wasn't the case in 2012, the USO was his second most successful major back then. Its only after Beckers tutelage that Djokovic really took to grass imo.
I was talking about surface competence in the context of a career, otherwise Freddie's second best surface would have been Rebound Ace (since he'd won 2 Wimbledons, 1 Aussie, and none of anything else to that point).
 

AceSalvo

Legend
“2004-2010 were munchkins and morons.”

Then 2011-2019 were older munchkins and older morons mixed with younger morons. :-D:-D:-D
 

Noleberic123

G.O.A.T.
Team sports for the most part, and 30's is not 40 like Pantera said - which is what I took issue with if you care to read the discussion.

There is a trend towards older athletes but whether those athletes are peaking or slowing their decline is the question.

I don't follow football or basketball that much, but I don't think it's clear that those are necessarily the best players in those sports - maybe Messi in football.
It's clear. Messi had the most goals and assists in Europe last season. It wasn't even close. Lebron James got injured last season but otherwise he is the best player in the world. Expect him to be again this coming season. Luka Modric won the Golden Ball in football and he is in his 30s. From 2008 to 2017 only Messi and Ronaldo won the Golden ball. How is that any different to tennis?

In football. Only a handful of teams are capable of winning the UCL. We will continue to see the same teams win for like another century.
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At the 2016 Olympic games Usain Bolt won his races with times that are way slower than at his peak. He would have been like 3rd or 4th in 2012 but guess what? No one gives a ****
 
At the 2016 Olympic games Usain Bolt won his races with times that are way slower than at his peak. He would have been like 3rd or 4th in 2012 but guess what? No one gives a ****
So here's a numerically proven weak era example yet people still don't care indeed. Conclusion: humans are stupid.
 

SaintPetros

Professional
27+ Fed prime?? Thanks for confirming your biased intelligence.

Yes 2011-2019 Nadal and Nolan had zero competition. While Fed always had his Next Gens after him.
Yes, tracking posts on this forum even from the Fed fanatics seems to yield a consensus that Fed was in his prime during 2011, or have the goalposts shifted again?

Also, fyi - Federer won slams deep into his 30s, at a time when many former professionals, including himself, considered him to be playing the best tennis of his career - but of course you and the Fedfan fanbase know better.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Yes, tracking posts on this forum even from the Fed fanatics seems to yield a consensus that Fed was in his prime during 2011, or have the goalposts shifted again?

Also, fyi - Federer won slams deep into his 30s, at a time when many former professionals, including himself, considered him to be playing the best tennis of his career - but of course you and the Fedfan fanbase know better.
The only goalpost moving that happens was your 2004-2007 weak era dumbness. Everything else is in accordance with that dumb logic. Feel free to keep playing this game.

It was a free ride for Nadal and Nolan since 2011. Fed going deep in slams does not invalidate that. Its a shame you are trying to keep 27+ Fed relevant when 2011-2019 Next Gens all failed one after the other.
 

SaintPetros

Professional
The only goalpost moving that happens was your 2004-2007 weak era dumbness. Everything else is in accordance with that dumb logic. Feel free to keep playing this game.

It was a free ride for Nadal and Nolan since 2011. Fed going deep in slams does not invalidate that.
Ad Hominem - the last refuge of the defeated.
 

SaintPetros

Professional
Yep, there were players who were actually at their peaks at the time - peak Nadal on clay/grass, peak Roddick, peak Davydenko, peak Hewitt, peak Nalbandian. Now you have peak Basilashvili and peak Bautista-Agut.
I love how you say list peak Roddick, Davydenko, Hewitt, and Nalbandian like they're greater than 2017-present Fed/Nadal who have achieved more than they ever did.
Also, Nadal was not at his peak on grass until 2008, MAYBE 2007 if we're being generous. Dude was a claycourter during the majority of Fed's "peak" or "prime" - whichever term you're going to use now.
 

ReeceSachs

Professional
I love how you say list peak Roddick, Davydenko, Hewitt, and Nalbandian like they're greater than 2017-present Fed/Nadal who have achieved more than they ever did.
Also, Nadal was not at his peak on grass until 2008, MAYBE 2007 if we're being generous. Dude was a claycourter during the majority of Fed's "peak" or "prime" - whichever term you're going to use now.
What do you think was the strongest era then in modern times?
 

SaintPetros

Professional
Yeah one match in tornado like conditions after which Agassi won like 1 set in the next 4 matches proves that he was so tough for Federer. Roddick/Hewitt were incapable of winning sets against Federer in 2004-2007 too, yeah well that's like your opinion man
Those tornado conditions didn't favor Agassi. In fact, given he hit flatter and had less mobility than Freddie, they would have impacted him more adversely.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Actually, you're the one who engaged in ad-hominem. Just fyi, criticizing your favorite player=/=criticizing you
:)
But you are the one engaging in moving goal posts and yet you criticize others for countering you with the same.

FYI. Being a hypocrite invalidates anything you have to say.
 

SaintPetros

Professional
But you are the one engaging in moving goal posts and yet you criticize others for countering you with the same.

FYI. Being a hypocrite invalidates anything you have to say.
Continue to shut out people you disagree with. Sounds like a winning strategy.
 

AceSalvo

Legend
Whatever man, Fed says he believes he's playing better than in 2003. Clearly you know better.

Peace.
Keyword “believes”

Every great sportsman will keep saying that even though their performance has visibly declined. Only blind ones like you take those words as fact.

Peace.
 
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