A better grass court player - Murray or Djokovic

[timnz]

Djokovic has won 3 Wimbledons to 2 for Murray, but Murray is the all-time (been going since 1884) record holder at Queens Club with 5 titles there* . Djokovic has not won any non-Wimbledon grass titles (though has 3 runner-ups - 1 at Wimbledon, 1 at queens, 1 at Halle )

* note: these players have won 4 Queens Club titles: Major Ritchie, Anthony Wilding, Roy Emerson, John McEnroe, Boris Becker, Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Roddick

 

[VladimirJ]

Who cares about Queens? Djokovic >> Murray. Grassray is overrated.

 

[Mainad]

Who cares about Queens? Djokovic >> Murray. Grassray is overrated.

Grassovic has still to take a set off him though!

 

[Dope Reign]

Murray is more aggressive on grass. Murray is a lot more comfortable running around a grass surface.
Plus matches on grass tend to have a very high majority precentage of murray supporters.
With movement, and styles, and some home courtin - grass advantage is very much in Murray's favour.

Answer=Murray

 

[NatF]

I think Djokovic in Wimbledon 2015 final form tops any Murray however Murray's been crazy consistent and strong on grass for longer though. So peak for peak I'd go with Djokovic but a career series of h2h matches would favour Murray. As of right now Djokovic has achieved more with the extra Wimbledon.

 

[jm1980]

From the comments you usually see around these parts, you'd think Djokovic has never won a Wimbledon title

I expect this thread to be no different. No 3-time Wimbledon champion has had his grass skills questioned as much as Djokovic, that's for sure.

 

[nadalfan2013]

Djokovic has won 3 Wimbledons to 2 for Murray, but Murray is the all-time (been going since 1884) record holder at Queens Club with 5 titles there* . Djokovic has not won any non-Wimbledon grass titles (though has 3 runner-ups - 1 at Wimbledon, 1 at queens, 1 at Halle )

* note: these players have won 4 Queens Club titles: Major Ritchie, Anthony Wilding, Roy Emerson, John McEnroe, Boris Becker, Lleyton Hewitt and Andy Roddick

LOL no mention of the Olympics gold that Murray won on grass by beating Djokovic and Federer?

 

[roger presley]

Djokovic.

 

[Tiki-Taka]

It is close. Murray has been more consistent and has the lead in H2H but I would take Djokovic's success and his highest level of play slightly over Murray's. I would also favor Novak against Federer and Nadal, the other two great grass court players, more than I would favor Andy.

Djokovic's three Wimbledon titles is one of his finest achievements that isn't talked about much due to some other things he achieved. Some may point out that he hasn't won a grass title apart from those three but you've got to give him credit for winning the biggest one three times without playing any grass warm ups which his rivals have done regularly.

 

[uliks]

Djokovic

 

[BVSlam]

Murray. I think he's the better grass player in terms of using the surface to good effect for his game (better movement on grass, better low slice). However, Djokovic is easily the better player in general so that doesn't mean Murray wins more Wimbledons despite being a better grass courter.

 

[Noelan]

It was about time to Novak to lose the polls to Murray.

One expert even said that the local audience and the environment are the among the reasons that make him better grass court player. Now h2h , even sets does matter ,hehe

 

[The Green Mile]

So, what? If Andy wins Wimbledon next year, then does that mean Andy is the better Grass-courter? Andy plays a Grass-court game better than Djoko, but it doesn't really matter, as Djokovic displayed in his Wimbledon Finals.

Novak's aggressive baseline game works on the Grass too. Better first strike tennis than Andy as well.

 

[nadalfan2013]

Rafa won his Wimbledon titles when the grass was still fast, but then as soon as they slowed it down Djokovic and Murray started winning it by playing as if it was hardcourt

 

[Rafa the King]

Rafa won his Wimbledon titles when the grass was still fast, but then as soon as they slowed it down Djokovic and Murray started winning it by playing as if it was hardcourt

It hasn't changed that much in speed in the last 5-10 years you know.. It is slower, but it's not like we've gone from 90's grass to MC clay

 

[roger presley]

They slowed it down in 2002.

 

[nadalfan2013]

They slowed it down in 2002.

Nope, in 2011.

 

[roger presley]

After Ivanisevic – Rafter final. When Hewitt won it,it was totally different courts.

 

[Noelan]

So, what? If Andy wins Wimbledon next year, then does that mean Andy is the better Grass-courter? Andy plays a Grass-court game better than Djoko, but it doesn't really matter, as Djokovic displayed in his Wimbledon Finals.

Novak's aggressive baseline game works on the Grass too. Better first strike tennis than Andy as well.

What do you think, who is the better clay court player between Federer and Djokovic?
Would one RG more (which Djokovic is likely to win by the end of his career) make him better or just more accomplished clay courter?

 

[The Green Mile]

What do you think, who is the better clay court player between Federer and Djokovic?
Would one RG more (which Djokovic is likely to win by the end of his career) make him better or just more accomplished clay courter?

I think Djokovic's base level is probably slightly higher than Federer's on Clay, and his natural game allows for a bit more margin for error. He aggressively defends better than Fed too, which is very valuable on the surface. But I wouldn't disagree either if you had Fed in front. It's quite a coin toss for me.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Vs the field I would take Murray. Vs Federer and Nadal I would take Djokovic.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Nope, in 2011.

Hahahahaha

 

[Noelan]

I think Djokovic's base level is probably slightly higher than Federer's on Clay, and his natural game allows for a bit more margin for error. He aggressively defends better than Fed too, which is very valuable on the surface. But I wouldn't disagree either if you had Fed in front. It's quite a coin toss for me.

I don't , I have Novak slightly above Fed .
Was just curious about your opinion, and made a parallel to your previous post.
Thanks for your response.

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

Another double Wimbledon winner who is a better grass court player than Djokovic. Unbelievable, that guy is fraud of the century! RUBBISH!

 

[roger presley]

Hahahahaha

I guess that clay has been changed in 2015 and that is why Nadal has tough time in RG?!

 

[metsman]

I think Djokovic's base level is probably slightly higher than Federer's on Clay, and his natural game allows for a bit more margin for error. He aggressively defends better than Fed too, which is very valuable on the surface. But I wouldn't disagree either if you had Fed in front. It's quite a coin toss for me.

Djoker's average level is better imo like you said but Fed's peak level is better.

 

[The Green Mile]

Murray isn't better than either of Fed, Djoko or Rafa on any surface.

 

[roger presley]

Murray isn't better than either of Fed, Djoko or Rafa on any surface.

Agree!

 

[The Green Mile]

Djoker's average level is better imo like you said but Fed's peak level is better.

Peak level is always a tricky thing to compare, I don't really like doing it, but I will just say I find Fed more impressive when playing at his best. My bias coming into play though.

 

[nadalfan2013]

One thing is for sure, Djokovic is a better grass eater than Murray.

 

[Mainad]

One thing is for sure, Djokovic is a better grass eater than Murray.

I expect that's because he's a Vegan!

 

[Deleted member 307496]

After Ivanisevic – Rafter final. When Hewitt won it,it was totally different courts.

Hewitt has beaten Sampras on fast grass though so he could play on the surface.

 

[Deleted member 307496]

I don't , I have Novak slightly above Fed .
Was just curious about your opinion, and made a parallel to your previous post.
Thanks for your response.

Novak dealt with a weaker era than Fed.

 

[RF-18]

Djokovic has defended Wimbledon (only the 7th man in the open era to do it). He also has one extra final along with his extra title.

Murray must have underachieved immensely if he has these abilities on grass.

 

[jm1980]

Rafa won his Wimbledon titles when the grass was still fast, but then as soon as they slowed it down Djokovic and Murray started winning it by playing as if it was hardcourt

Grass was still fast... Hahaha!

If the grass were actually fast Rafito would have gotten Rosoled every year. It's no coincidence that Nadal struggled the most against big hitters when the grass is still fresh instead of clay-like conditions past the QF

Sad to say a guy playing a clay court game on grass winning 2 Wimbledons. Nadal approached the net in 31 out of 413 points in the 2008 Final, a mere 7%. He would have gotten crushed on '90s grass

 

[MichaelNadal]

Djokovic has defended Wimbledon (only the 7th man in the open era to do it). He also has one extra final along with his extra title.

Murray must have underachieved immensely if he has these abilities on grass.

Who wouldn't defend it against grandfatherer?

 

[timnz]

So is one extra wimbledon win (Djokovic) worth more than 5 queens (all time record at a tournament more that a hundred and thirty years old) and Olympic gold on grass? - that's what it comes down to

 

[InsideOut900]

Murray has perhaps better longevity on grass than Djokovic,but Djokovic literally played 3 of his best grass matches ever in those finals and beat Federer or Nadal in all 3.

Murray deserves a mention for his effort in the 2012 final,but he also had it easy in the 2013/2016 finals.

If we factor in Murray's longevity and non-Wimbledon achievements,than it is tied.
If SW19 titles are the supreme measure,than Djokovic.

Murray must have underachieved immensely if he has these abilities on grass.

Murray has a Hewitt-like game and career on grass with few decent years like 2009/2010 and an extra peak year(2016)due to longevity(as Hewitt only had 3 peak years in 2002/2004/2005).
Murray wouldn't get more than 1-2 Wimbledons in any era,Roddick is the true underachiever,who should/would have won both 2004/2009 and maybe even 2003 if it wasn't for Federer.

Who wouldn't defend it against grandfatherer?

Federer to beat Murray at Wimby 17 confirmed

 

[Backspin1183]

Djokovic is the more accomplished grass court player. However, Murray is the better grass court player.

 

[timnz]

Djokovic is the more accomplished grass court player. However, Murray is the better grass court player.

Is Djokovic really more accomplished though? I think it is debatable whether 1 more Wimbledon is better than being the all time record holder at queens club plus being the Olympic champion on grass.

 

[Backspin1183]

Is Djokovic really more accomplished though? I think it is debatable whether 1 more Wimbledon is better than being the all time record holder at queens club plus being the Olympic champion on grass.

In my humble opinion, a Wimbledon title is worth more than 5 Queens titles and even above an Olympic gold on grass. If Murray wins another Wimbledon, he ends the debate in his favour.

 

[RF-18]

Who wouldn't defend it against grandfatherer?

Murray perhaps? Who got blown off the court by this "grandfatherer" last year.

As I said, both have played in the same grass era, so your competition card is invalid.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Murray perhaps? Who got blown off the court by this "grandfatherer" last year.

As I said, both have played in the same grass era, so your competition card is invalid.

Your micro SD card that you call a brain is what's invalid

 

[RF-18]

Is Djokovic really more accomplished though? I think it is debatable whether 1 more Wimbledon is better than being the all time record holder at queens club plus being the Olympic champion on grass.

I think anyone would choose to have a Wimbledon title over anything.

 

[RF-18]

Your micro SD card that you call a brain is what's invalid

LOL. I'm not the one who thought Murray and Djokovic has had different competition There aren't two tennis worlds.

 

[RF-18]

Your micro SD card that you call a brain is what's invalid

Also Congrats for that post. You must be proud

 

[Red Rick]

Grass court greatness, in terms of accomplishments, I'd say about even. I rate the Olympic's in London very high, and Murray has the 5 Queens titles. There's an argument for Djokovic having more Wimblies, but there's more than one tournament on grass then Wimbledon

Grass court prowess, in terms of level, definitely Murray. He's such a natural grass player, and less vulnerable than Djokovic is. Almost all the matchup advantages in terms of rally dynamic that Djokovic has instantly disappears when they meat on grass. It's just that Murray hasn't hit peak level at Wimbly very often.

 

[KG1965]

Djoker is the best player.
But Murray has won more titles....
very close very close.

 

[Bukmeikara]

Murray has a better volleys, lob, slice. Djokovic has a better serve 1st and 2nd. Excluding mentality, Murray as a stand alone player seems more natural on grass.

As career success, Djokovic is still a level above Murray on grass. His titles came against Nadal/Federer and you know how much harder is for someone having those two on the other side of the net in a Grand Slam final, not to metion that in two of those finals Fedal came after a demolutions over Murray. 5 Queens titles are 5 Queens titles but they are not even in same building with Wimbledon - Big 3 hardly ever played the warm up and by the time Murray came - Roddick/Hewitt were "old" - for his titles Andy had to beat mainly Cilic, Tsonga and Raonic.

 

[KINGROGER]

LOL no mention of the Olympics gold that Murray won on grass by beating Djokovic and Federer?

That same Olympics F that Fed tanked, weeks after destroying Murray at Wimbledon, an actual important tournament?