A big reason why Djokovic is still behind in the slam race

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IMO, a big reason why Novak is still behind in the slam race is him winning only 1 of the 6 slams in which he didn't face an in-form ATG. These slams are from Novak's best years of 2011-2016 (I excluded USO 2016 for obvious reasons): USO 2012, AO 2013, Wimb 2013, AO 2014, USO 2014 and FO 2015.

Out of these Novak only won AO 2013 and he was inches away from losing this one as well.

For a guy of his caliber, these slams are slams he should win, IMO. But worst case scenario, he should've won 3 of 4 of these instead of just 1. These losses have proven to be consequential when the slam leader is a guy who almost never messes up when there's a slam he should win.
 
mike danny said:
IMO, a big reason why Novak is still behind in the slam race is him winning only 1 of the 6 slams in which he didn't face an in-form ATG. These slams are from Novak's best years of 2011-2016 (I excluded USO 2016 for obvious reasons): USO 2012, AO 2013, Wimb 2013, AO 2014, USO 2014 and FO 2015.

Out of these Novak only won AO 2013 and he was inches away from losing this one as well.

For a guy of his caliber, these slams are slams he should win, IMO. But worst case scenario, he should've won 3 of 4 of these instead of just 1. These losses have proven to be consequential when the slam leader is a guy who almost never messes up when there's a slam he should win.
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Novak had to face MuryGOAT and peak Stanimal.
 
Kralingen said:
Novak threw away his legacy long before USO 2020 or AO 22.

A disgusting record, from a total disappointment of a player. Losing to Murray in 2 Slam finals is legitimately unforgivable.

No GOAT would ever have those losses on his resume.
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Djokovic's problem wasn't that he lost to Murray and Stan per se, it's that he lost more than once to them.
 
It's not like Murray and Wawrinka were total mugs in these matches. In USO 2012, AO 2014 and RG 2015 he lost to opponents who played decent or better, and I can't say he was the clear favorite in any of them. (except for AO 2014 maybe. Wawrinka in 2013 already showed he has the game to make it close, but didn't show he has the mentality to actually win)

Nadal's AO 2014 loss was way more disappointing because he never even lost a set to Wawrinka before.
 
mike danny said:
IMO, a big reason why Novak is still behind in the slam race is him winning only 1 of the 6 slams in which he didn't face an in-form ATG. These slams are from Novak's best years of 2011-2016 (I excluded USO 2016 for obvious reasons): USO 2012, AO 2013, Wimb 2013, AO 2014, USO 2014 and FO 2015.

Out of these Novak only won AO 2013 and he was inches away from losing this one as well.

For a guy of his caliber, these slams are slams he should win, IMO. But worst case scenario, he should've won 3 of 4 of these instead of just 1. These losses have proven to be consequential when the slam leader is a guy who almost never messes up when there's a slam he should win.
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You‘re right, though he also got a gift in 2019, was match points down in 2011, received some Federer chokes in 2015 USO as well.
 
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Here's your US Open, Mr Murray. Thank you for coming.
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Kralingen said:
Djokovic mugged up so many opportunities in his career with lackadaisical play or mental fragility. He should have won 3 per year from 2011-2016.

crap player with a garbage legacy.
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Novak has won the same amount of slams in 4 years as the guy in your avatar :cool:
 
StrongRule said:
It's not like Murray and Wawrinka were total mugs in these matches. In USO 2012, AO 2014 and RG 2015 he lost to opponents who played decent or better, and I can't say he was the clear favorite in any of them. (except for AO 2014 maybe. Wawrinka in 2013 already showed he has the game to make it close, but didn't show he has the mentality to actually win)

Nadal's AO 2014 loss was way more disappointing because he never even lost a set to Wawrinka before.
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Djokovic was in much better form at 2012 USO than Murray pre-final.
 
TheNachoMan said:
Novak has won the same amount of slams in 4 years as the guy in your avatar :cool:
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L to Federer at RG in 2011 (roflmao)

L to Nadal at RG in 2012 (acceptable), Federer at W in 2012 (somewhat acceptable), MURRAY at USO in 2012 (completely unacceptable!!!)

L to Nadal at RG in 2013 (unacceptable), Murray at W in 2013 (completely unacceptable), Nadal at USO in 2013 (played like utter ****, unacceptable)

L to Wawrinka at AO in 2014 (unacceptable), Nadal at RG in 2014 (unacceptable), Nishikori at USO in 2014 (worst loss an ATG has EVER had in their prime the guy is an embarrassment)

How people rate Djokovic is beyond me. If he was good he would have won all of these.

Peak Fed and Pete would have won every single one of those matches outside RG.
 
Kralingen said:
Djokovic mugged up so many opportunities in his career with lackadaisical play or mental fragility. He should have won 3 Slams per year from 2011-2016.

crap player with a garbage legacy.
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I know this is sarcasm but Djokovic is quite weird in the sense that he is a mental giant against fellow Big 3 but against other players he is susceptible sometimes. I mean against Big3 even if he is not playing God level he can outlast them mentally which is not the case with others
 
zuluzazu said:
Technically it was Djokovic’s slam to lose
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Not really. After Nadal's 2013 season they both were favorites. It's not like Djokovic was considered an unbeatable AO GOAT back then. He had 4 titles there, and really should have lost at least in one of 2012 or 2013.
 
He struggled in that period mentally due to the #1 expectations. People tend to forget how a choker he was back then because all they remember is his success after Becker became his coach. Djokovic was an ATG material but it was Becker who turned him into the GOAT he is now. He fixed the wirings in his head. I wish Becker worked with Zverev, he could've really helped him.

Anyways, with Djokovic, there are many reasons why he didn't win as many slams as he should have.

One big reason is Morrison aka Scummo, one reason is Wimbledon 2020 cancellation, one is USO 2020 disqualification, another big reason is the guru period between 20016-2018 when he went into hibernation searching for peace and love for two years allowing his rivals to win almost all the slams when he should have been the one winning them; another reason is not winning a slam for three years (2008-2011) after he got his first one.
 
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zuluzazu said:
I know this is sarcasm but Djokovic is quite weird in the sense that he is a mental giant against fellow Big 3 but against other players he is susceptible sometimes. I mean against Big3 even if he is not playing God level he can outlast them mentally which is not the case with others
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It's not sarcasm he has just fooled the public into believing he's good at tennis.
 
zuluzazu said:
I know this is sarcasm but Djokovic is quite weird in the sense that he is a mental giant against fellow Big 3 but against other players he is susceptible sometimes. I mean against Big3 even if he is not playing God level he can outlast them mentally which is not the case with others
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Fed and Nadal are better at beating inferior opposition. Flat track bullies, if you will. But you need to be that to win the majority of the time.
 
StrongRule said:
In 2012 Murray was actually sometimes able to up his level and give a fight. It's not like 2014-2016 Murray who was mostly a punching bag for the top players, especially in BO5.
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No ATG worth his salt would ever lose to Murray in a Slam final. Let's be honest here.

The guy is a mug and if you lose to him you are even more of a mug.
 
mike danny said:
I said it in jest mostly, but it's true.

Murray didn't have the experience of being a slam winner prior to their 2012 USO F. Same for Stan before their 2014 AO QF.

Djokovic gave them that confidence.
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If we're doing that then it was Nadal that made Stan the man by getting injuring his back at the Aus Open final. Without that win, Stan would've never got that confidence of winning a slam.
 
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