Discussion in 'Tennis Tips/Instruction' started by 1980, Jan 24, 2013.
some great stuff in this thread! keep it coming guys!
You are pretty correct but let me make a point.
Tennis as is golf and all sports with body motion is about kinematic sequences. I don't want to get overly scientific here but the pronation and supination are at the end of a sequence of other events leading up to it. At this point a correct sequence can allow a good player to over or under supinate/probate to achieve a desired effect. So to your answer while not wrong I will till you it's not 100%. I've played professional level sports and can tell you that you do manipulate as needed the pron/sup sequence at times and when needed. You cannot have the same supination for a flat 1HBH than for a loopy top spin one. That said there is a different kinematic sequence as well. Now do I consciously think of it? NO but your CNS tells your body to do so. Again if the kinematic sequence is wrong approaching the point of pro/sup then thinking of that as more or less will probably only enhance the previous error.
In summary worry about good grip, good footwork, good rotation to impact, good impact zone/timing and when you get there trust me your good enough to start over/under or natural pro/sup to get a desired effect on the ball.
On my 1HBH if I want to go sharp,cross court I start sequence earlier, hit a little earlier and to create a sharper angle I increase supination and upward stroke on the outside part of the ball. Now this happens by practice and subconscious effect when playing. There is no way I could think that in the middle of a point.
Hope this helps
All really good points here. I have been doing quite a bit of 1HBH work lately and one thing my instructors have pointed out is the consistent drive through the ball on the swing. My preparation is good, but at times I tend to "whip" through the ball near the time of contact and this pulls my body back, forcing a cross-court backhand. While the shot is effective, it limits your options. If you practice consistent "drives", you will be able to have a lot more placement options. Also, I agree with many people in this thread: the supination should come naturally.
a lot of pros will supinate much less on DTL shots.
Recent threads have inspired me to focus on the heelpad as well-- looks like I was using the old guy method as well, because a purposefully "mountain bikey" grip feels quite different to me.
-I net more balls
-I'm less apt to hit long
-noticeable increase in topspin
-low balls are a challenge- really have to bend the knees to get them
Overall it seems like a good change to incorporate, but I've just been drop-feeding so far-- looking forward to trying it out in a rally.
One tiny nuance that might help: If you're using a full Eastern or stronger, make sure your hand is all the way down to the buttcap. Specifically, the length of your little finger should be along the edge. Aside from effectively making your racket longer, the width of the buttcap should make it easier for the handle to fit snug in your palm.
Also, if you're on the tall side (say, 6'+), you might want to consider using something slightly lighter than Eastern. Wawrinka uses mild Eastern, Dimitrov uses continental. Just something to consider.
And if you can't find a partner or ball machine for a while, try a wall behind a strip mall.
Dimitrov uses a continental on slices, and an eastern on his topspin drives.
That's a really good explanation. Thanks.
You might find that you have the freedom to hit through the ball more now. Actually, you might have to hit through it more to get the depth you are used to.
Hmm... maybe he changed his grip?
This vid from 2010 clearly looks continental:
he really might have switched. it seems conti in your vid. but the current technique is a little different also. he seems to be E bh grip now.
I noticed this as well, and wonder why it is?
It seems counter-intuitive to me, after all, if you're going DTL, that is the time when you need the most topspin to clear the higher net, and make sure the ball is pulled back down well inside of the baseline as the court is going to be shorter when going DTL as opposed to CC.
Also, I'm wondering why a high takeback offers greater topspin than a low takeback? Having tried both I know it does, but I'm not sure why?
you don't really need much topspin (or any) to clear the net. it's pretty low.
Reason is the desired amount of drive / speed. Backhand DTL makes you receptive for a attacking forehand CC. So beter make it fast!
So indeed, the shot has a higher margin for error, but has to be in order to make it difficult for the opponent.
Backhand cc is often with pronation to create a loopy shot with spin to the opponent's backhand.
Also, this thread is a good discussion of the 1HBH. As the post above illustrates, the choice of 1vs 2 hands may not be as significant as you may think. Both have strengths and weaknesses, so pick the one you are most comfortable hitting. Some good technique tips in this thread too. I would only add that, as the above shows, unless you are Gasquet or Wawrinka, don't get caught up in backhand rallys. Any strategy that keeps you in a prolonged backhand rally is probably a bad strategy. At the rec level, use your backhand to maneuver into more favorable court positioning, not to win the point.
Yes, great thread indeed. Too bad the YouTube-links at the start of this thread are not working anymore.
Important thing is to ensure that your forearm is relaxed throughout the swing. Or you are gonna end up with tennis elbow. Supination helps in this regard. Without supination, you tend to tense up your arm and power the stroke, increasing your risk for tennis elbow.
Also, supination gives you easy access to power as well as spin. (Rosewall for flat, Federer/Stan for topspin)
I think some clarification is needed here.
The main action of the arm is actually external shoulder rotation. This action adds to the racket speed without changing the face angle. That is the key to have control.
Is there supination? after the shoulder is fully rotated externally, there can be a little supination during the follow thru after the ball is long gone.... but it should not be something you do on purpose.
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