A Forehand Progression

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
At the request of a poster in another thread, here is a summary of a forehand teaching progression, based on the study of high level players, adapted for players at lower levels. With a more advanced player looking to improve you might video first and compare before deciding where to intervene.

Bu let's go through it as if this person was a beginner, amd often players come with so many problems that the solution is to teach them a unified model as well.

1. Ready Position--feet shoulder width, knees flexed, torso upright, hands in front roughly waist height. If the player has a reasonable grip, somewhere between modern eastern and mild semi western that's the best. But if they have an extreme grip I usually follow the progression below first to see what happens. If they have no grip then I usually start with the modern eastern and see what happens.

2. Unit Turn--simple step out with right foot, hips and shoulders turn about 45 degrees, hands stay on the racket with no independent movement. Body visualized as a cylinder turning with no moving parts.

3. Full Turn--continuation of the first move. Hands start to come up then separate. Shoulders turn 90 degrees to net or a little more. Chin turns over the left shoulder. Left arm stretches across perpendicular to sideline and parallel to baseline. Racket hand moves up and back but stays compact--hopefully no higher than shoulder level or even a little below. Players need to reach this position at the bounce of the ball on their side at the latest, and for development purposes even earlier.

4. Outside Leg--weight loads at the same time as completion of turn on the right outside leg with natural knee bend and torso still upright. VERY important here that the left leg comes up and around as well as the left hip. Left foot on toes--this is a semi-open stance step up. In the center of the court turn and leg coil go together but are really independent and happen at different times when players start to move more than a couple of steps.


5. Backswing Drop and Hitting Arm. Racket hand drops staying hopefully on the right side and falls into the hitting position with the racket butt pointed toward the opposite side.
Almost always best to teach the double bend hitting arm position here and let the rare elite straight elbow evolve if it does.

6. Stance Options--Often players who struggle with the turn and especially lower level players and not great athletes will feel the turn position better and make it all the way there if they take a step forward into a simple neutral stance as the backswing is coming down. Eventually they should hit many or most semi-open but often players taught only open never get a full turn. Individual thing here.

7. Forward Swing--the contact point is obviously the magic moment. Usually by teaching an extended finish position, and the forward swing as a whole, the player will find the contact as a part of a smooth continuum. This finish point (different from wrap, see below) can vary tremendously in live play at high levels. But for a basic moderate topspin drive these checkpoints are key: wrist is at eye level, racket hand has come across to the edge of the left shoulder. The upper arm is about parallel to the court, and the forearm is about 30 to 45 degrees and still flexed in the double bend.

One thing to look at for sure is what is happening to the head around contact. Needs to be relatively still at least for a brief duration. Good players don't all turn as far with the head as Roger, but have some version of this still position.

8. Wrap--if the player makes the extended position with a nice relaxed swing the racket will accelerate naturally, and then naturally decelerate in a wrap over the shoulder. This should happen naturally though and efforts to force a mechanical wrap with alter and shorten the path of the swing.

9. Left Arm--after the stretch at the turn, the left arm relaxes and comes back across the body and tucks around the waist on the left side. Again this usually happens on it's own.

10. Now the hands come back together on the racket in front and the player can take the appropriate recovery steps, usually starting with simple side shuffles.

NOTE: Obviously there are many factors that can go wrong or be off at any or many of these points. I tend not to teach an exact backswing shape because no two players ever have this exactly the same. Hopefully the player finds one that is smooth natural and compact. This may (usually does) but may not also include some version of the dog pat on the way down, but I don't try to create this mechanically as my experience with players who do is that they are very late getting to the hitting arm position.

Obviously there are also many variations in the forward swing and the stances as well as the timing of the turn and the leg set up. These can gradually be added.

One key in the whole process is the use of video, showing players images of themselves and great examples of key postions, and the creation of their own mental images and internal feelings corresponding to the parts of the motion.
 
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Ash_Smith

Legend
Very interesting, thanks JY (and very fast work!!!).

I see you have started from a Ready Position and Unit Turn into the backswing as opposed to starting from the Contact Point - is there a specific reason for this?

Cheers
 
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nabrug

Rookie
At the request of a poster in another thread, here is a summary of a forehand teaching progression, based on the study of high level players, adapted for players at lower levels. With a more advanced player looking to improve you might video first and compare
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stances as well as the timing of the turn and the leg set up. These can gradually be added.

One key in the whole process is the use of video, showing players images of themselves and great examples of key postions, and the creation of their own mental images and internal feelings corresponding to the parts of the motion.

This is not a teaching progression! It is a subjective description of the obvious/visible (outer) caracteristics of the stroke. It doesn't describe any inside feeling. It doesn't describe the tasks at hand. And it doesn't describe a development from age to age and from level to level.
 
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JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
Uh, Ash yes we have another poster who does not agree that I am allowed to call my teaching progression that.

The contact is one way to approach it. I think that if the start and the finish are correct, then the contact is likely to be as well, but again this is why you check and you do video.
 

rkelley

Hall of Fame
Hi John,

Great post. Thanks for taking the time.

One comment. On step 9 you said:

9. Left Arm--after the stretch at the turn, the left arm relaxes and comes back across the body and tucks around the waist on the left side. Again this usually happens on it's own.

Maybe I'm just not understanding your description, but in the videos I've watched after the stretch I'd describe the left arm motion as swinging out into the court approximately 90° until it's roughly pointing at the net. The left arm swinging out appears to be the trigger for the opening of the shoulders and the forward swing to begin. The left arm then bends at the elbow and is pulled into into the body on the left side. This pulling in happens after the shoulders have turned and at the same time the racquet head accelerates into the ball.

In my experience as a player this left arm motion is important for providing power for your shoulders to open and for the the final acceleration of the racquet into the ball.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
About #9, my observation is it's a consciously, highly learned skill to keep the left arm up all the way after contacting. It doesn't happen naturally. What natural is you drop your arm as soon as you let go off the racket throat. Most people hit the ball with the non hitting arm drooping down.
 

SFrazeur

Legend
Very interesting, thanks JY (and very fast work!!!).

I see you have started from a Ready Position and Unit Turn into the backswing as opposed to starting from the Contact Point - is there a specific reason for this?

Cheers

I myself am a fan of starting from the contact point at the very first lesson.

Off hand I can think of three major progression Ideologies:
Linear sequence: as Yandell wrote above.
Non-Linear sequence: starting from the contact point and building outward.
Naturalistic: using similes, analogies.

Regardless of which ideologies an instructor uses most students are going to need compensating. Those who are started with a strong linear sequence may have trouble finding their contact point; or those started from the contact point may need help from decelerating their strokes at contact. Of course a good instructor will borrow from other ideologies outside of their own to best help a student understand and progress.

-SF
 

Solat

Professional
This is not a teaching progression! It is a subjective description of the obvious/visible (outer) caracteristics of the stroke. It doesn't describe any inside feeling. It doesn't describe the tasks at hand. And it doesn't describe a development from age to age and from level to level.

feel free to write it up then...
 

bhupaes

Professional
John, I am no coach, but here's my observation for what it's worth.

What seems to be missing is the part about developing the feel of the hand-body connectedness, and making solid contact in front. This is entirely to do with hand/wrist positioning, which I learned rather late in life after living through years of doing it the "wrong way". A early step where the student is forced to lay back the wrist (point butt of racquet at the ball) and make contact in front might be good thing... IMO. This would be the bread and butter forehand.

As the student advances, he/she will have to develop the feel of hitting with the arm alone, more to the side than the front, to be able to play with a variety of strokes as the situation demands - the reverse forehand, hitting out of position with arm only, various spinny placement shots, etc.

Not being a coach, I am not able to tell you how you would fit this into your steps... if indeed, you consider it worth doing.
 

SFrazeur

Legend
What seems to be missing is the part about developing the feel of the hand-body connectedness, and making solid contact in front. This is entirely to do with hand/wrist positioning, which I learned rather late in life after living through years of doing it the "wrong way". A early step where the student is forced to lay back the wrist (point butt of racquet at the ball) and make contact in front might be good thing... IMO. This would be the bread and butter forehand.

I teach "Point, Face, Follow-through and Finish" early on.

Point the butcap (this lays the wrist back).
Face the racquet head where you want the ball to go (keeping the wrist laid back).
For kids: look with the eyes of the racquet face where you want to ball to go.
Follow-through. . .
Finish. . .

-SF
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
Bhu,

Yeah you got to feel that conection. For a player who didn't, what I would do is go back into the contact point and set it up as a model position with the same kind of check points as the other key positions, have the player visualize it and imagine the feel.

Again my own experience though is that most players with the contact off also have problems at the turn and extension. By correcting those the contact adjustment becomes relatively minor.

But what we are talking about is agreeing on a general shape to the motion and the position of the racket and body parts. Then using the intuition and artistry of the coach to bring the player there. So I have myself focused on every part of the stroke at some point with some player.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
rkelly,

Some players get the left arm naturally. I find this is usually the case if the full turn and left arm stretch are really correct.

But some don't. A good image is the hands coming forward and then back around with a couple of feet of spacing, but moving in unison.

The palm or the fingers should end up pointing toward the opponent, not sure it matters which, with the left elbow bend and tucked in toward the torso somewhat above waist level.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
Note on Method:

I want to stress, even though I mentioned this above, there are two keys to making this happen. One is having a clear model. But understanding does not equal action.

So how to get it into the body? This requires taking the time to model the checkpoints very precisely physically and then creating a corresponding mental image. On court you have to visualize the "image/feel" because by the time you think thru point one in verbage the ball went past you and hit the fence.

Great players do this naturally and others pick it up naturally. Most club players need to make it a process.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
on #4, it is not clear for me; what is the left leg doing?
thanks
 
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5263

G.O.A.T.
On #3, where is the left hand before they separate? Was it a stroke grip too?
Was it on the stick?

does the chin go to left shoulder as you state, or does shoulder come to under chin?
thanks
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
5263:

In the turn the entire body including the left leg rotates. In the simplest version the sole of the left foot can be modeled pointing at the sideline with the foot up on the toes. This puts the player in the position for a semi-open stance or the step into the neutral.

The left hand can be in a variety of grips for two-handers depending on the two handed grip. For one-handers typically higher on the stick cradling it to some degree. The left hand release can be earlier or later--at the edge of the torso or when the hand has come back into the mid torso.

The chin thing, the shoulders are turning one way and the head can either stay straight ahead and or turn a bit. The point is to get to that chin over shoulder position at the turn.
 
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5263

G.O.A.T.
but often players taught only open never get a full turn. .

guess "often" is a good nondescript way to say it with no controls in place, along with no study of course, for this informal opinion.
So many questions would come up like,
what was the method of instruction for these players?
Was it your instruction of open stance that led to poor shoulder turn?
were they new to tennis or did they already have a poor shoulder turn from their previous traditional instruction experience?


Probably "IMO" or "my best guess" would be a better way to express this unsubstantiated conclusion. Seems like a very loose statement for someone who has accused others of claims that have little or no basis or data to support.
 
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5263

G.O.A.T.
7. Forward Swing--the contact point is obviously the magic moment. Usually by teaching an extended finish position, and the forward swing as a whole, the player will find the contact as a part of a smooth continuum.

So is this still teaching to swing out towards the target on extension?
No mention of "up and across" the contact?

Smooth continuum would mean?
Is that like hold the racket speed constant till the collision with the ball on the swing path out to towards the target?
 

skiracer55

Hall of Fame
It's a good linear "step1, step2" model...

...as done on tennisplayer.net or Fuzzy Yellow Balls. It's a real accurate description of the series of things that has to happen to produce a decent swing path on the forehand. Very useful in a left-brain way, and some people learn very well in this mode, and, I submit, we all ought to be at least vaguely aware of the original post John put together. If for no other reason, because it's a great diagnostic tool. If your forehand goes off, or isn't up to snuff, one of the things we often say in this forum is "It could be one of a million things", but that facts are that generally, it's got to be one or more of the items-in-the series that John has described.

This whole method is applicable, and has been done for all the strokes, including serve, overhead, and so forth. So now that you've read John's excellent analysis of what a forehand is, how do you apply all that good stuff to developing or improving your own forehand?

That's a different and larger discussion that expands out into what an individual player's goals are and an overall plan to reach those goals. For my thoughts on that topic:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=375284
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
5263:

If you look at a forehand swing path you see that it is traveling on an arc. The arc goes forward and up and around.

The checkpoint at the finish of right hand at about eye level and in line with the left edge of the torso incorporates it all.

It's moved outward significantly from contact. It's moved upward significantly from contact. It's moved across significantly as well.

How far out, how far up and how far across and when--these are the variables leading to all those different finishes we see in the pro game.

What I tried to outline here was some checkpoints for creating all the fundamentals that can be combined in various ways.

As for open stance. Pros hit fully open--with both feet along the baseline or parallel elsewhere on the court only a small percentage of the time. Mostly they hit semi-open.

My experience is just my experience, but too much emphasis on open stance only, especially with lower level players tends to restrict the body turn and especially the left side.

Getting the full turn into the semi-open position and then often experimenting with neutral steps tends to give these players a feel for the full turn that will help them regardless of stance--even fully open--which is the hardest no doubt when it comes to achieving a great turn.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
ski,

Good point and I refered to that in the note on method above. Description is one thing and you need it in all or in part at different times.

The challenge is to go from words to images and feelings--the things players need in their bodies to execute these dynamic complex motions without verbal thought.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
5263:

On acceleration, the maximum speed of the racket develops very quickly in the last few fractions as the racket moves from the bottom of the drop and the start of the forward swing to the contact. It's reaches maximum speed just around the contact, and then decelerates from there on out.

Their are many people: Bruce Elliot, Brian Gordon, Greg Ryan, who have put numbers to this thru 3D measurements. But you can actually see it in the high speed video watching the distance the racket head covers frame by frame.
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
John,

I have been out to play four times since I read your book; Visual Tennis. The first time was w/ a ball machine and I immediately saw results. The second time was in a doubles match and my backhand was improved but my forehand broke down; nothing new. My serve was also bad. The third time out was a hitting session w/ my friend and I concentrated on working on my forehand and serve. My serve greatly improved due to switching back to an older racquet I was comfortable with and making a grip change to help with wrist release and again something I did way back in the day when I still played competitive tennis.

The fourth time out was a more competitive session w/ another friend, a former college player, a guy I never beat, and it was after I watched the Tomic/Djokivic match yesterday. I really liked Tomic's strokes. He had a simple backhand and a wind up forehand with a hitch that allowed him to set that forehand wrist back and maintain that steady wrist while following through hard and accurate. I decided to try that and it worked great for me as it caused me to set that wrist and follow through; 2 things I fail to do when my stroke goes bad. With my improved serve and forehand, I beat my friend 6-3, 3-0. He was very frustrated by my improvement and quit. It was 3-3 at one point and my confidence just grew and grew as his quickly diminished. He usually beats me in the neighborhood or 6-2, 6-1. I could tell that he was having trouble with the pace I was hitting and the placement because he was going for winners on nearly every shot as he knew I was going to attack him if he didn't.

Thanks again.

Fellow TT friends, you should really check out John's book titled Visual Tennis for these detailed swing progressions that come with photos of each of the positions.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Hi John,

Is there an advantage or prefer to keep the racket head pointing up, a la Nadal, or that's not necessary, ie OK to keep racket face at chest-height and thus a much lower takeback?
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
Dak,

Awesome report. On the forehand, I think much about the VT models was deadon. What the high speed filming has since shown and how I have evolved my thinking is to increase the role of the left arm swinging across the body and stretching to the sideline as described above.

This allows the left hand to stay on the racket longer and for a small compact loop to happen without players losing control of the racket. Althought that turn position with the straight take back will also work great--I would just add the left arm stretch.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
92626,

Great question and I say at least to start, the simpler the better. Something like Agassi where the hand goes no higher than shoulder level or even stays in the mid chest. I think raising the elbow more can really work for some players but again should be added or tried as an advanced element. Basically the elbow stays low and in close.

Same for extreme tip pointing forward up or back. No two pros are alike and I think this indicates there isn't some robotic way of doing it, or that anyone way is vastly better, so simple is good.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
5263:

On acceleration, the maximum speed of the racket develops very quickly in the last few fractions as the racket moves from the bottom of the drop and the start of the forward swing to the contact. It's reaches maximum speed just around the contact, and then decelerates from there on out.

Their are many people: Bruce Elliot, Brian Gordon, Greg Ryan, who have put numbers to this thru 3D measurements. But you can actually see it in the high speed video watching the distance the racket head covers frame by frame.

So are you suggesting that since the numbers show a decel, you should teach players to decel at that point?
or just not bring it up?
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
So are you suggesting that since the numbers show a decel, you should teach players to decel at that point?
or just not bring it up?

APAS of Feds Fh shows white (hi speed) up to contact, then some yellow (lower, but high speed) after the contact, but with it transitioning back to the hi speed white shortly after contact.
This would seem to indicate a intent or effort to accel into and thru contact, right?
but that impact had slowed the racket head slightly during contact, and the racket head got back up to speed indicates the hand may not have slowed since it was bringing the speed right back up after the effect of impact?
You would not expect he slowed on contact purposely, only to re accel again after contact, would you?
 
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5263

G.O.A.T.
5263:
It's reaches maximum speed just around the contact, and then decelerates from there on out.

Their are many people: Bruce Elliot, Brian Gordon, Greg Ryan, who have put numbers to this thru 3D measurements. But you can actually see it in the high speed video watching the distance the racket head covers frame by frame.

maybe I can find some of the work you cite. I will look to see what you mean, but APAS seems to indicate that Fed's hand does not decel and that the minor decel at contact is a slowing of the racket head that comes back up some after impact; not slowing from there on out as you state.
Even if the racket does show some decel in the early moment after impact, that is not to say that there is not effort to increase speed into and thru contact. This is a good example of where vid may be misleading vs intention.
By attempting to increase speed thru contact, it may serve to limit the decel, but vid cannot show this. Excellent example of how good as vid may be, it still is limited and does not show all the answers.

In striking and breaking techniques of Martial Arts, you are taught and learn pretty quickly to be consistent with your breaks, that you should accel thru your target, and not accept a decel mentality. Maybe it is true that a decel is actually what happens per measure, but the thought and intent is to try to accel thru.
I believe many of the same principles are at play with tennis strokes.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
5263:

If you look at a forehand swing path you see that it is traveling on an arc. The arc goes forward and up and around.

No, not really so much an arc, as a series of curves with relatively straight portions connecting them; like in the Fed APAS vid where at 4:54 -4:56 the hand travel nearly straight out towards the contact point before pulling sharply across the body well prior to contact.
which results in-
from 4:56-4:58 where the racket face travels nearly straight out towards the contact, right before breaking pretty sharply about 30 degr to "across the contact"

good study really show how prominent this action is in the Fed Fh.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
5263:

How far out, how far up and how far across and when--these are the variables leading to all those different finishes we see in the pro game.

From this it appears that you agree with my posts on the finishes being driven by contact point and desired spin/trajectory.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
5263:

Their are many people: Bruce Elliot, Brian Gordon, Greg Ryan, who have put numbers to this thru 3D measurements.

Dr. Bruce Elliot also published flexion gives 30% contribution to serve speed too, right?
Is that accepted??
I won't come out and say it's wrong, but I'm not buying it at this point.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
On serve wrist flexion:

Definitely the racket head is gaining speed on the serve as a function of the wrist moving from laid back to neutral. This is the old wrist snaps the racket or racket snaps the wrist debate.

The movement though has a big contribution.

on the forehand:

not sure what aps is, and no one (yet) has measured Fed's forehand racket head speed that I know of. I was surprised at the deceleration after contact when we looked at it in studies.

Certainly I wouldn't try to tell any player to do this. I think it's about making the positions. If everything is right at the bottom of the backswing and at the extension you can swing faster or slower and everything will take care of itself.

on up and over and out:

no one I know of believes the forehand extension point is straight ahead on some straight line outward from the contact. In your favorite book Visual Tennis I demonstrate an extension position in line with the left side.

Where I differ with you I think is on the forearm contraction and elbow bend. You see that to some degree in the basic drives. But the more extreme versions are heavy wipers with shorter extension. That's a variation.

On curves:

There is no doubt the forehand swing is inside out and moves out to the contact on a curve. Video shows this clearly. If you ever film an elite player from above it's even more obvious.
 

5263

G.O.A.T.
On serve wrist flexion:

Definitely the racket head is gaining speed on the serve as a function of the wrist moving from laid back to neutral. This is the old wrist snaps the racket or racket snaps the wrist debate.

The movement though has a big contribution.

Who saying that is a flexion move on serve?
I suppose it is a blend to an extent, but shouldn't it be thought of and seem more as an ulnar deviation?
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
Who saying that is a flexion move on serve?
I suppose it is a blend to an extent, but shouldn't it be thought of and seem more as an ulnar deviation?


ulnar deviation would be the move from left to right. Again not my data. The two moves might be simultaneous over overlap. But from what I've read from researchers they are talking about the forward flex to the neutral position at contact.
 

pushing_wins

Hall of Fame
applying john's checklist to this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6TmKO7lDws

At the request of a poster in another thread, here is a summary of a forehand teaching progression, based on the study of high level players, adapted for players at lower levels. With a more advanced player looking to improve you might video first and compare before deciding where to intervene.

Bu let's go through it as if this person was a beginner, amd often players come with so many problems that the solution is to teach them a unified model as well.

1. Ready Position--feet shoulder width, knees flexed, torso upright, hands in front roughly waist height. If the player has a reasonable grip, somewhere between modern eastern and mild semi western that's the best. But if they have an extreme grip I usually follow the progression below first to see what happens. If they have no grip then I usually start with the modern eastern and see what happens. YES

2. Unit Turn--simple step out with right foot, hips and shoulders turn about 45 degrees, hands stay on the racket with no independent movement. Body visualized as a cylinder turning with no moving parts. YES

3. Full Turn--continuation of the first move. Hands start to come up then separate. Shoulders turn 90 degrees to net or a little more. Chin turns over the left shoulder. Left arm stretches across perpendicular to sideline and parallel to baseline. Racket hand moves up and back but stays compact--hopefully no higher than shoulder level or even a little below. Players need to reach this position at the bounce of the ball on their side at the latest, and for development purposes even earlier. YES

4. Outside Leg--weight loads at the same time as completion of turn on the right outside leg with natural knee bend and torso still upright. VERY important here that the left leg comes up and around as well as the left hip. Left foot on toes--this is a semi-open stance step up. In the center of the court turn and leg coil go together but are really independent and happen at different times when players start to move more than a couple of steps. YES


5. Backswing Drop and Hitting Arm. Racket hand drops staying hopefully on the right side and falls into the hitting position with the racket butt pointed toward the opposite side.
Almost always best to teach the double bend hitting arm position here and let the rare elite straight elbow evolve if it does. YES

6. Stance Options--Often players who struggle with the turn and especially lower level players and not great athletes will feel the turn position better and make it all the way there if they take a step forward into a simple neutral stance as the backswing is coming down. Eventually they should hit many or most semi-open but often players taught only open never get a full turn. Individual thing here. YES

7. Forward Swing--the contact point is obviously the magic moment. Usually by teaching an extended finish position, and the forward swing as a whole, the player will find the contact as a part of a smooth continuum. This finish point (different from wrap, see below) can vary tremendously in live play at high levels. But for a basic moderate topspin drive these checkpoints are key: wrist is at eye level, racket hand has come across to the edge of the left shoulder. The upper arm is about parallel to the court, and the forearm is about 30 to 45 degrees and still flexed in the double bend. YES

One thing to look at for sure is what is happening to the head around contact. Needs to be relatively still at least for a brief duration. Good players don't all turn as far with the head as Roger, but have some version of this still position.

8. Wrap--if the player makes the extended position with a nice relaxed swing the racket will accelerate naturally, and then naturally decelerate in a wrap over the shoulder. This should happen naturally though and efforts to force a mechanical wrap with alter and shorten the path of the swing. YES

9. Left Arm--after the stretch at the turn, the left arm relaxes and comes back across the body and tucks around the waist on the left side. Again this usually happens on it's own. YES

10. Now the hands come back together on the racket in front and the player can take the appropriate recovery steps, usually starting with simple side shuffles. YES

NOTE: Obviously there are many factors that can go wrong or be off at any or many of these points. I tend not to teach an exact backswing shape because no two players ever have this exactly the same. Hopefully the player finds one that is smooth natural and compact. This may (usually does) but may not also include some version of the dog pat on the way down, but I don't try to create this mechanically as my experience with players who do is that they are very late getting to the hitting arm position.

Obviously there are also many variations in the forward swing and the stances as well as the timing of the turn and the leg set up. These can gradually be added.

One key in the whole process is the use of video, showing players images of themselves and great examples of key postions, and the creation of their own mental images and internal feelings corresponding to the parts of the motion.

yes to the checklist, but the forehand leaves much to be desired

checklist is a fail
 
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pushing_wins

Hall of Fame
Can you be specific about what you see as the problems with the forehand in the video? It looked good to me in both form and results (as much as I could see the ball coming off the racquet), but maybe I'm missing something.

compare him to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsczwDfVJWE


he is falling back on his follow through and his racquet is too close to him

i think it has to do with the improper load and unloading.

i m just trying to point out john checklist maybe missing the most critical fundamentals
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
^^^Falling back on his follow through or pulling back with his left side to create room for the rotation?

cheers
 

pushing_wins

Hall of Fame
^^^Falling back on his follow through or pulling back with his left side to create room for the rotation?

cheers


cannot be the latter as evident by racquet being too close to him on the follow through and lack of proper extension

forehand.jpg


compared to proper extension

properr.jpg
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