A New Grass Masters 1000 Event Coming Soon?

DIMI_D

Semi-Pro
Yes looks like will be added at some point will make sense with the make up of the tour tournaments available per surface per yr 60% hard 32% clay 8% grass 6 hard 3 clay 1 grass masters it’s fair
 

DIMI_D

Semi-Pro
I’m thinking next year very likely to have grass masters before Wimby will it be the upgrade of one of either Queens or Halle or is there another event that could get the spot with upgrade of facilities. I mean if it’s a new event (upgrade) would take longer to come to fruition
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
The problem with this is that you're going to have to extend the grass season to make this work.

You'd have to make either QCC, Halle - or both - practically insignificant in the creation of a Grass Masters.

Queen's Club is probably the most historic and prestigious tournament outside of the Grand Slams and Masters, but it wouldn't really be fair to have the UK (let alone London) being the sole centre of professional grass court tennis.
 
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irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
The problem with this is that you're going to have to extend the grass season to make this work.

You'd have to make either QCC, Halle - or both - practically insignificant in the creation of a Grass Masters.

Queen's Club is probably the most historic and prestigious tournament outside of the Grand Slams and Masters, but it wouldn't really be fair to have the UK (let alone London) being the soul centre of professional grass court tennis.
Maybe they could alternate between Halle and Queens every year...Would LOVE a longer grass season...
 

TimHenmanATG

Hall of Fame
Maybe they could alternate between Halle and Queens every year...Would LOVE a longer grass season...
It's a valid idea - like the Canada Masters alternating between Toronto and Montreal - but the problem is that neither of these tournaments could meaningfully exist in the intermediate years.

I'm also a big fan of extending the grass season, but I can't see how that could possibly happen within the current calendar.
 

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
It's a valid idea - like the Canada Masters alternating between Toronto and Montreal - but the problem is that neither of these tournaments could meaningfully exist in the intermediate years.

I'm also a big fan of extending the grass season, but I can't see how that could possibly happen within the current calendar.
Least favourite part of year is indoor post US Open - just get rid of that push US Open forward a few weeks - there is your answer :) Just kidding but would love it to happen!
 
It's a valid idea - like the Canada Masters alternating between Toronto and Montreal - but the problem is that neither of these tournaments could meaningfully exist in the intermediate years.

I'm also a big fan of extending the grass season, but I can't see how that could possibly happen within the current calendar.
What do you mean the tournaments could not exist in intermediate years? Each tournament is men's one year and women's the other, just like Canada Open.
 

ZanderGoga

Semi-Pro
I‘d be pretty cheesed off if they started a M1000 on grass now, just about when the Maestro is about to retire.
Masters titles are beneath consideration for the likes of Fed, anyway. I mean, if it were in his youth, he'd show up and win some titles by accident. And his fans would celebrate, but they wouldn't move the needle for him personally. Those trophies go in the garage. But ultimately they'd really only exist as tuneup events, like Toronto or Roland Garros.
 
I've always wanted a longer grass season to sort of put the surfaces on a level playing field. Adding a M1000 grass event would be something I'd like to see as well. The clay season seems to last forever and then boom, right into playing a couple weeks on grass, then WM all in a few weeks time. I've wondered many times why the grass season seems cut so short, no pun intended.
 
As much as I’d love a masters 1000 on grass, Wimbledon is like sacred territory. It makes Feds Wimbledon victories that much sweeter considering there aren’t a million hardcourt or clay tournaments a player can enter to train on beforehand.
 
As much as I’d love a masters 1000 on grass, Wimbledon is like sacred territory. It makes Feds Wimbledon victories that much sweeter considering there aren’t a million hardcourt or clay tournaments a player can enter to train on beforehand.
I think its just a nice change of pace. The season is predominantly hardcourt and a month+ of clay, then sprinkle in a little grass and indoor. Extended the grass season by 1 week and making it a M1000 just feel right and also it watching grass court tennis really makes me feel like summer is here. haha
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
I think a M1000 Grass is easily achievable if the ATP wanted it. Personally I'd consider moving Halle 1 week after Wimbledon and holding it then and there. Maybe ask Hamburg to go onto grass so those that lost early at Wim had a chance to practise. This would make Queens the main warm up for Wimbledon, so it's field would be strengthened. Have a few 250 on same time. Top players should be generally going FO - Queens {500} - Wim {2000} - Halle {1000}. 4 weeks grass over 6 week period, mainly in Europe. Two weeks, between FO and Wim, 1 week between Wim and M1000.
Have 10x M1000, must attend 8-off, unless note from mum.
Jiggle points rankings to include 4x2000, 8x1000, {2x1000 + 2x500} or 4x500 for top 32 players. Rest can pick best 16 Tourneys.
I'd also consider making IW 1500 extend 2 weeks have BO5 in SF & QF Male, mini Major. Miami needs work, lost a lot of cred since 70s.
I'd also Push AO later. Jiggle the early season.
After USO has always been an issue, maybe extended break or DC.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
The main issue is finding a slot before Wimbledon. Holding it after Wimbledon would devalue the new tournament IMO, and the schedule before Wimbledon is really busy.
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
As much as I’d love a masters 1000 on grass, Wimbledon is like sacred territory. It makes Feds Wimbledon victories that much sweeter considering there aren’t a million hardcourt or clay tournaments a player can enter to train on beforehand.
Shouldnt that make his victories less sweet? Since grass is kind of a brief little novelty? And that most players arent sufficiently trained for it?
 
Shouldnt that make his victories less sweet? Since grass is kind of a brief little novelty? And that most players arent sufficiently trained for it?
Not really no, shows how talented Federer is that he can win Wimbledon with little or next to no warmup events unlike Nadal and Djokovic who have hardcourts and clay tournaments to play on before months in advance
 

Forehanderer

Professional
If they really want a grass 1000, then Miami with its ugly parking lot stadiums has to make way for Shanghai starting early in March followed by IW. The schedule is too packed to have 10 Masters. This way Halle can be a grass 1000 and Wimbledon and the North American HC season postponed by a week or two. Also US has 3 masters right now and Germany was robbed of Hamburg when Shanghai was introduced (via Madrid indoor HC turned into clay). Its only fair that Germany gets one grass 1000
 

PMChambers

Hall of Fame
The main issue is finding a slot before Wimbledon. Holding it after Wimbledon would devalue the new tournament IMO, and the schedule before Wimbledon is really busy.
Nope.
A Masters isn't a lead in event it's the ATP largest open event and needs to stand on its own two legs.
Barr Monaco they're compulsory for most players. The rankings are heavily dictated by them.
Because of this hold a Grass Masters after Wimbledon is fine. IW & MI are after AO.
If a grass Masters is important it will be able to make its own success rather than pig backing Wimbledon.

The only reason for Grass Masters is,
1. Forcing all top players into one Tourney.
2. Additional ranking points.
Having it after Wimbledon meets this criteria, would make it the crude Masters. Double header grass Tourney, or thriple if Queens + Wimbledon + Mystical grass Tourney.
 

cortado

Semi-Pro
There is so much hardcourt tennis all year, it would be nice to have a longer grass season and more grass tennis to watch. I agree with the poster above, push US open slightly further in to autumn, to allow for longer grass season. Otherwise you have all these slightly pointless seeming post-US open hardcourt tournaments.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Money mainly determines the tour, so moving things around is an amusing idle, but not much more than that.

The only opening may come if China continues to be politically ostracised and that creates one opening somewhat late in the year for grass outside the Northern Hemisphere.
 

Sunny014

Hall of Fame
Should have done it 15 years ago, this is a disgrace.
Federer never had a masters of grass, HALLE should be upgraded to Masters and every winner of Halle should be upgraded to masters status on the resume.
 

T007

Rookie
The problem with this is that you're going to have to extend the grass season to make this work.

You'd have to make either QCC, Halle - or both - practically insignificant in the creation of a Grass Masters.

Queen's Club is probably the most historic and prestigious tournament outside of the Grand Slams and Masters, but it wouldn't really be fair to have the UK (let alone London) being the sole centre of professional grass court tennis.
Halle has a better infrastructure and crowd capacity than Queens. It would be great they upgrade it to 1000. Given the short grass season it would be difficult for them to arrange any alternative other than this two.
 
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