A weird but unrealistic scenario

[ak24alive]

This is not one of those threads where the OP wants to start a fan war.
It's just about a thought I had while looking at the ATP race list so I wanted to post it here.
Anyways I noticed that it's still possible for Roger to end as YE#1 even if Novak doesn't play particularly bad.
Again as the thread title says given Fed and Nole's form it's highly unrealistic but here it is.
It only works on the assumption(which is flawed) that Fed brings around some Nole beating form and Rafa doesn't gain more than 679 points in Paris+WTF.
So if Novak loses to Roger in the SFs of Paris and Roger goes on to win it the race points will look like this-> Fed 6660 and Nole 7805.
Now that still looks like a huge difference right?
But lets say Fred draws Nole in his half at the WTF. And Fred beats Nole in their Round Robin match. And then one of Kevin/Marin beats Nole too. And Kevin/Marin beats one of Nishi/Thiem/Isner. Also Fed needs to win all his matches at the WTF.

So here I am asking Nole to be beaten 2 times by Fed and one time by Kandy/Cilic. Now given that all of them are capable of beating Nole because they have a high peak we can say that the scenario isn't entirely impossible.
If all this fits then Fed will have 8160 by year end and Nole will have 8005 and Rafa will have <8160.
Sounds great? Right devotees?

Spoiler

Ain't gonna happen lol.

 

[Standaa]

As much as I wish for that to happen

 

[jm1980]

Do we even know if Fed's going to play in Paris?

 

[ak24alive]

Do we even know if Fed's going to play in Paris?

We assumed that.

Spoiler

Don't know. But I read somewhere that Slytherin Luthi thinks that Fed is going to play.

 

[Hamnavoe]

Anybody who believes this could possibly happen is, quite simply, DELUSIONAL. This old, broken-down fraud spent a week feasting on pathetic MUGS, but when he gets back to playing on the real tour, he's going to be shaking in those ballerina flats, terrified because he knows the rest of the tour are going to EXPOSE him as the paper champion that he is.

Everyone who has more than two brain cells can tell that the real players are going to DOMINATE Federer even more than Mirka does ROFLMAO.

 

[ak24alive]

Anybody who believes this could possibly happen is, quite simply, DELUSIONAL. This old, broken-down fraud spent a week feasting on pathetic MUGS, but when he gets back to playing on the real tour, he's going to be shaking in those ballerina flats, terrified because he knows the rest of the tour are going to EXPOSE him as the paper champion that he is.

Everyone who has more than two brain cells can tell that the real players are going to DOMINATE Federer even more than Mirka does ROFLMAO.

U PETE fan?

 

[BeatlesFan]

I think the chances of Roger finishing #1 are less than 5% and that's being charitable. Nadal isn't the issue, Djokovic is.

However, if it's the #1 ranking that is the issue, consider this: if Fed plays clay next year, he has a chance to gain a boatload of points and could conceivably challenge again for #1. But I don't expect him to defend his 2,000 AO points nor do I expect him to play clay. Something to think about though.

 

[ak24alive]

I think the chances of Roger finishing #1 are less than 5% and that's being charitable. Nadal isn't the issue, Djokovic is.

However, if it's the #1 ranking that is the issue, consider this: if Fed plays clay next year, he has a chance to gain a boatload of points and could conceivably challenge again for #1. But I don't expect him to defend his 2,000 AO points nor do I expect him to play clay. Something to think about though.

I don't expect him to win anything anymore. I wish though. Sometimes I like to day dream about Fed winning big tournaments. But I usually do that at night so it's not technically a day dream.

 

[Rafa.the.Magnificent]

Well......millions of people do buy lottery tickets because.....ANYTHING can happen!

 

[ak24alive]

Well......millions of people do buy lottery tickets because.....ANYTHING can happen!

The biggest lottery is Fedr winning the French. But Fedr isn't even willing to buy the tickets. It's a dream that's better unfulfilled. So sweet this way to just think about Roger lifting that trophy again someday.

 

[Standaa]

Well......millions of people do buy lottery tickets because.....ANYTHING can happen!

Does it include me ever dating Bouchard?

So stop cheating readers, Ned devotee

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Delusional Tommy is considering it.

Getting Roger Federer back on that chair is the priority. If it is possible then it is not impossible. Let's go boys.

 

[ak24alive]

Does it include me ever dating Bouchard?

So stop cheating readers, Ned devotee

Statistically it's most likely to happen with Genie coz I remember her posts on Twitter about dating a fan who won some kind of challenge. I don't remember clearly. So all you have to do is wait for the next fan challenge she posts and win it. Good luck.

 

[jm1980]

Well, for the sake of tennis's credibility as a sport, let's just hope we don't get a 37-year-old ending the season ranked #1 after skipping a large chunk of it

 

[ak24alive]

Delusional Tommy is considering it.

Getting Roger Federer back on that chair is the priority. If it is possible then it is not impossible. Let's go boys.

Everything is fair
for love, war and Blair.

 

[Hamnavoe]

U PETE fan?

I am a tennis fan.

 

[tennisaddict]

Fed devotee , you are not just devotional but also delusional .

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Everything is fair
for love, war and Blair.

I really need to up my game.

 

[ak24alive]

I am a tennis fan.

Oh sorry I was just implying that you were imitating 90s clay.

 

[ak24alive]

Fed devotee , you are not just devotional but also delusional .

Thanks.
I know it's a compliment.

 

[Hamnavoe]

I am not Fred's biggest fan, but I would like to see him top off his career with one more Wimbledon. I want him to have the send-off that he deserves for all he has accomplished for the sport.

 

[Standaa]

Statistically it's most likely to happen with Genie coz I remember her posts on Twitter about dating a fan who won some kind of challenge. I don't remember clearly. So all you have to do is wait for the next fan challenge she posts and win it. Good luck.

I’m gonna need lots of it. But it’s still more probable than paranoid coming back being funny more often than rarely.

 

[Red Rick]

The scenario

Fed plays Paris and WTF, proceeds to get asswrecked by Djokovic 3 more times in 3 weeks, is more plausible, but then that would require Fred to win the other WTF matches which seems a bit far fetched at this point.

 

[Red Rick]

I’m gonna need lots of it. But it’s still more probable than paranoid coming back being funny more often than rarely.

Paranoid is actually very funny.

Spoiler

As the butt of our jokes

Please come back, Paranoid, I can't post on a forum without White Tsonga

 

[tennisaddict]

The scenario

Fed plays Paris and WTF, proceeds to get asswrecked by Djokovic 3 more times in 3 weeks, is more plausible, but then that would require Fred to win the other WTF matches which seems a bit far fetched at this point.

If Fed is going to be beaten 3 times , he is winning several matches

The hatred knows no bounds

 

[Red Rick]

If Fed is going to be beaten 3 times , he is winning several matches

The hatred knows no bounds

I was merely stating that one very unlikely scenario was still much more likely than an almost impossible scenario.

If simple facts are boundless hatred to you, then I am sorry you have to deal with this dark and cruel world.

 

[TennisFan97068]

Could happen if Djokovic got injured.

 

[Sport]

I think the chances of Roger finishing #1 are less than 5% and that's being charitable. Nadal isn't the issue, Djokovic is.

According to that logic, Federer will finish #2 in the race over Nadal.

 

[tennisaddict]

I was merely stating that one very unlikely scenario was still much more likely than an almost impossible scenario.

If simple facts are boundless hatred to you, then I am sorry you have to deal with this dark and cruel world.

I was pointing to the fallacy of your statement that dismissed Fed's chances of not winning any matches at WTF and still losing twice to Djoker .

How does he accomplish that ? The No 2 ranked player and No 3 ranked player in the group suffer from brain hemorrhage after the round robin is over ?

 

[metsman]

Well, for the sake of tennis's credibility as a sport, let's just hope we don't get a 37-year-old ending the season ranked #1 after skipping a large chunk of it

i mean it's pretty much a guarantee that one of the 36/37 year olds (Nole and Nadal) will end #1. For the sake of the sport let's hope the 46 year old weak era Fraud doesn't end #1.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

 

[Deon Sanders]

Anybody who believes this could possibly happen is, quite simply, DELUSIONAL. This old, broken-down fraud spent a week feasting on pathetic MUGS, but when he gets back to playing on the real tour, he's going to be shaking in those ballerina flats, terrified because he knows the rest of the tour are going to EXPOSE him as the paper champion that he is.

Everyone who has more than two brain cells can tell that the real players are going to DOMINATE Federer even more than Mirka does ROFLMAO.

19 > 6

 

[Hamnavoe]

19 > 6

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

This is not one of those threads where the OP wants to start a fan war.
It's just about a thought I had while looking at the ATP race list so I wanted to post it here.
Anyways I noticed that it's still possible for Roger to end as YE#1 even if Novak doesn't play particularly bad.
Again as the thread title says given Fed and Nole's form it's highly unrealistic but here it is.
It only works on the assumption(which is flawed) that Fed brings around some Nole beating form and Rafa doesn't gain more than 679 points in Paris+WTF.
So if Novak loses to Roger in the SFs of Paris and Roger goes on to win it the race points will look like this-> Fed 6660 and Nole 7805.
Now that still looks like a huge difference right?
But lets say Fred draws Nole in his half at the WTF. And Fred beats Nole in their Round Robin match. And then one of Kevin/Marin beats Nole too. And Kevin/Marin beats one of Nishi/Thiem/Isner. Also Fed needs to win all his matches at the WTF.

So here I am asking Nole to be beaten 2 times by Fed and one time by Kandy/Cilic. Now given that all of them are capable of beating Nole because they have a high peak we can say that the scenario isn't entirely impossible.
If all this fits then Fed will have 8160 by year end and Nole will have 8005 and Rafa will have <8160.
Sounds great? Right devotees?

Spoiler

Ain't gonna happen lol.

Stopped reading right there.

Spoiler

Not really, but I couldn't resist saying it.

 

[Deleted member 742196]

This is not one of those threads where the OP wants to start a fan war.
It's just about a thought I had while looking at the ATP race list so I wanted to post it here.
Anyways I noticed that it's still possible for Roger to end as YE#1 even if Novak doesn't play particularly bad.
Again as the thread title says given Fed and Nole's form it's highly unrealistic but here it is.
It only works on the assumption(which is flawed) that Fed brings around some Nole beating form and Rafa doesn't gain more than 679 points in Paris+WTF.
So if Novak loses to Roger in the SFs of Paris and Roger goes on to win it the race points will look like this-> Fed 6660 and Nole 7805.
Now that still looks like a huge difference right?
But lets say Fred draws Nole in his half at the WTF. And Fred beats Nole in their Round Robin match. And then one of Kevin/Marin beats Nole too. And Kevin/Marin beats one of Nishi/Thiem/Isner. Also Fed needs to win all his matches at the WTF.

So here I am asking Nole to be beaten 2 times by Fed and one time by Kandy/Cilic. Now given that all of them are capable of beating Nole because they have a high peak we can say that the scenario isn't entirely impossible.
If all this fits then Fed will have 8160 by year end and Nole will have 8005 and Rafa will have <8160.
Sounds great? Right devotees?

Spoiler

Ain't gonna happen lol.

@justasport should come around to ink his thoughts on this by way of an exceedingly long and unending paragraph.

You know, to certify that him and you are Fed's best fans.

Fed for YE#1 after blowing multiple opportunities all year?

Why not.

The impossible has a kind of integrity to it which the merely improbable lacks.

 

[jm1980]

This is not one of those threads where the OP wants to start a fan war.
It's just about a thought I had while looking at the ATP race list so I wanted to post it here.
Anyways I noticed that it's still possible for Roger to end as YE#1 even if Novak doesn't play particularly bad.
Again as the thread title says given Fed and Nole's form it's highly unrealistic but here it is.
It only works on the assumption(which is flawed) that Fed brings around some Nole beating form and Rafa doesn't gain more than 679 points in Paris+WTF.
So if Novak loses to Roger in the SFs of Paris and Roger goes on to win it the race points will look like this-> Fed 6660 and Nole 7805.
Now that still looks like a huge difference right?
But lets say Fred draws Nole in his half at the WTF. And Fred beats Nole in their Round Robin match. And then one of Kevin/Marin beats Nole too. And Kevin/Marin beats one of Nishi/Thiem/Isner. Also Fed needs to win all his matches at the WTF.

So here I am asking Nole to be beaten 2 times by Fed and one time by Kandy/Cilic. Now given that all of them are capable of beating Nole because they have a high peak we can say that the scenario isn't entirely impossible.
If all this fits then Fed will have 8160 by year end and Nole will have 8005 and Rafa will have <8160.
Sounds great? Right devotees?

Spoiler

Ain't gonna happen lol.

This scenario basically boils down to Federer winning every single match and both Nadal and Djokovic losing 3 more matches in 2 tournaments...

Hmmmm

 

[Deleted member 307496]

This scenario basically boils down to Federer winning every single match and both Nadal and Djokovic losing 3 more matches in 2 tournaments...

Hmmmm

I know right? The game is played at such a high level today upsets are bound to happen. It's common knowledge Tipsarevic would rank number 1 every single week in 2006.

 

[Poisoned Slice]

You say delusional. I say what happened to hope and optimism? He's gonna make it.

 

[justasport]

I highly doubt being number one is a goal for Federer anymore since he broke that record in Rotterdam. His goal is staying healthy, enjoying himself on court and winning titles. Yesterday was huge because it puts him one title away from a 100th title, and I'm willing to bet that the masters cup in London is his target. My main hope is that the swiss maestro, the spanish bull and the serbinator are all healthy and 100 percent fit for the masters cup in London two weeks from yesterday. If that's the case then it should be an incredible tournament because the five guys behind the three greats are very good players as well. This might end up being one of the best and most competitive masters cups in years. Year end #1 will be either the serbinator or the spanish bull, but the champion of the masters cup could end up being the swiss maestro. How ironic that would be. Oh and btw, I think Federer is going to have a big say so in who ends the year #1 even though it won't be him, lol.

 

[StanIsTheMan]

I highly doubt being number one is a goal for Federer anymore since he broke that record in Rotterdam. His goal is staying healthy, enjoying himself on court and winning titles. Yesterday was huge because it puts him one title away from a 100th title, and I'm willing to bet that the masters cup in London is his target. My main hope is that the swiss maestro, the spanish bull and the serbinator are all healthy and 100 percent fit for the masters cup in London two weeks from yesterday. If that's the case then it should be an incredible tournament because the five guys behind the three greats are very good players as well. This might end up being one of the best and most competitive masters cups in years. Year end #1 will be either the serbinator or the spanish bull, but the champion of the masters cup could end up being the swiss maestro. How ironic that would be. Oh and btw, I think Federer is going to have a big say so in who ends the year #1 even though it won't be him, lol.

At first I thought that Rotterdam was an unnecessary move, but after how things unfolded it ended up being a great decision, he grabbed it while he could.

 

[TripleATeam]

I think the chances of Roger finishing #1 are less than 5% and that's being charitable. Nadal isn't the issue, Djokovic is.

However, if it's the #1 ranking that is the issue, consider this: if Fed plays clay next year, he has a chance to gain a boatload of points and could conceivably challenge again for #1. But I don't expect him to defend his 2,000 AO points nor do I expect him to play clay. Something to think about though.

As much as I'm willing to support hypotheticals, it's difficult to see that happening, since by the clay season, Djokovic will likely be adding more points than Federer. And even if he doesn't, Djokovic is defending 6.5k points in Queens until the end of the year. If Djokovic gains even half that in the first half of next year (3k), he'd still have 9.5k points by the end of RG, and I couldn't see Federer gaining 3.5k points, even if he played clay because he's defending an AO, Rotterdam, and IW final.

And even so, you might say Federer could potentially grab another 2000 points if he played clay and then win Wimbledon, but it's tough to see him doing that if he tires himself out on clay.

And yes, I know you don't expect this to happen, but I just think it's unrealistic to expect much more from a 37 (by then 38) year old man who doesn't typically play an entire surface. He did very well at 36/37, and to expect much more is ludicrous.

 

[Robert F]

I think the chances of Roger finishing #1 are less than 5% and that's being charitable. Nadal isn't the issue, Djokovic is.

However, if it's the #1 ranking that is the issue, consider this: if Fed plays clay next year, he has a chance to gain a boatload of points and could conceivably challenge again for #1. But I don't expect him to defend his 2,000 AO points nor do I expect him to play clay. Something to think about though.

From a legacy perspective why hasn't Roger played the clay Masters for a round or two just to garner some points?
If he made it to the round of 16 in a Master he'd have 90 points.
Round of 32, 45 points.
Take Monte Carlo, Rome and Madrid and he could have 270 extra points if he just made Round of 16.
And it would still be possible to hit a semifinal for 360 points for just one .
Or if he made the QF or Roland Garros he'd have another 360 points.

I imagine if he played in those he could easily have another 500 points. This might take off some of the pressure in the summer hard court season.
Obviously, the concern is would he be ready for Wimbledon if he played some clay.

My answer is drop out if he is starting to feel fatigued. My guess, is he is a competitor and would not want to bag an tournament just for points.
So I suggest he drops out of tournaments in the later rounds with the excuse that he has to go back to Switzerland to watch his kids play their soccer games on the weekend.

 

[True Fanerer]

Nadal hasn't played in a while and Djokovic is sometimes vulnerable in the early rounds if only for a moment. Federer on the other hand is match ready for what it's worth. He's returning better, but serving worse. He won Basel because of his return game more than his serve. If he serves well too and keeps up the returning, only Djokovic can beat him. Djokovic has to lose again sooner or later to someone. He's got Tsitsipas and Cilic in his quarter, so anything can happen. Rafa we'll just have to see how much rust he has. Federer hopefully can keep the legs fresh.

 

[Deon Sanders]

From a legacy perspective why hasn't Roger played the clay Masters for a round or two just to garner some points?
If he made it to the round of 16 in a Master he'd have 90 points.
Round of 32, 45 points.
Take Monte Carlo, Rome and Madrid and he could have 270 extra points if he just made Round of 16.
And it would still be possible to hit a semifinal for 360 points for just one .
Or if he made the QF or Roland Garros he'd have another 360 points.

I imagine if he played in those he could easily have another 500 points. This might take off some of the pressure in the summer hard court season.
Obviously, the concern is would he be ready for Wimbledon if he played some clay.

My answer is drop out if he is starting to feel fatigued. My guess, is he is a competitor and would not want to bag an tournament just for points.
So I suggest he drops out of tournaments in the later rounds with the excuse that he has to go back to Switzerland to watch his kids play their soccer games on the weekend.

Its simple

His ranking no longer matters as a thing

He isnt going to be passed on total weeks at #1 and he got the oldest #1 record that wont be passed either

What difference does it honestly make when playing on clay is a waste of his time

The next phase is only slams if he can hang on doing that. Doesnt even need to be ranked at all. Literally zero tournament directors will not let him play.

 

[ak24alive]

Could happen if Djokovic got injured.

Don't want that mate. Won't even wish bad form on Djoker.

 

[True Fanerer]

Don't want that mate. Won't even wish bad form on Djoker.

Not responding to the injury thing because I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But what you are saying is possible. It wasn't long ago that no one thought Fed could even win Basel or make it out of the 1st match at Shanghai. I'd love to see him beat Djokovic with both playing well. Nothing could be better. At the same time, I'll take what I can get. The window is closing on Fed to compete with him at a respectable level. Maybe he's got one more GOAT performance left for Djoker. Sure would be a sight to see.

 

[ak24alive]

Not responding to the injury thing because I wouldn't wish that on anyone. But what you are saying is possible. It wasn't long ago that no one thought Fed could even win Basel or make it out of the 1st match at Shanghai. I'd love to see him beat Djokovic with both playing well. Nothing could be better. At the same time, I'll take what I can get. The window is closing on Fed to compete with him at a respectable level. Maybe he's got one more GOAT performance left for Djoker. Sure would be a sight to see.

It only gets anywhere near the realms of possibility if Fed summons some Nole beating form. If that happens then there are possibilities. Otherwise lol.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

If Tsitsipas can school Nole, there is no reason why Fed with a healed hand can't do the same.

 

[RaulRamirez]

Kidding aside, while highly unlikely, everyone here probably knows the Race to London numbers: Rafa 7480, Novak 7445 and Roger 5660.

If Roger wins Paris and WTF (undefeated), he gets to 8160. Not likely, but certainly conceivable.
So if Rafa and Novak both earn less than 700 points (give or take) in the two tourneys, it can happen.
Really, it's not inconceivable, and I'm anything but an out-of-control Fed fan.
I just respect greatness: Fed is capable of winning two indoor HC tourneys, Rafa is rusty (who knows how healthy he is now) and Novak, who's been playing great, is not upset-proof.