About the match and the sad truth unfortunately

Haven't posted in a long time. I am a big Nadal fan. The reason I am posting is because I have been reading
a lot of stuff on Nadal for a long time that I disagree with and today for me is a good day to give my thoughts.

First of all congratulations to Novak. He has always been difficult for Nadal. Novak fought
hard and played good tennis. No shame in losing to one of the greatest player ever. The sad truth is not that
Nadal lost today, but there is something I have been seeing a long time in Nadal's game that has been concerning
me. To explain that I need to go a while back.

When Nadal won the first two sets against Medvedev convincingly at the US Open final, everything
looked fine. As Medvedev started playing a bit better and the third set was quite physical, I noticed that
Nadal's level became considerably less. 4th set same story. In the fifth set I felt like Nadal could have literally
just fall on the ground because his body was just not working anymore.
This is not because Nadal was exhausted,
but because Nadal can't sustain high level tennis anymore for a long time. Looking at Nadal's facial expression
I recognise pain. As soon as that pain level starts hitting a certain level, Nadal starts to make unforced errors he
would almost never make. Anyway I thought, maybe it was a difficult tournament for him and he wil recover.

Then came the semifinal against Tsitsipas at the Australian Open. Nadal was dominating Tsitsipas quite easily IMO.
Tsitsipas got a bit better and from the third set on Nadal's level declined considerably. Sure Tsitsipas got better, but
this was not the reason Nadal was missing the easiest smashes which he practically never misses. The higher level
of tennis causes a pain in Nadal's body that drops his level considerably. People were saying Tsitsipas improved his
level and in doing so defeated Nadal. True, but it wasn't that Tsitsipas started playing better tennis than Nadal, but
Nadal's body could not handle that level which years before he could handle easily. Nadal in good health, I am not
talking about peak level Nadal, tools Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic are like professors of tennis.
The next gen are mere students.

What about the match today? First I want to talk about the final last year in which Nadal won so convincingly. I have to say
I felt Nadal played good that day, but Novak played terrible. This made Nadal's level look higher than it was. I believe that if
Djokovic played as well as he did today, Nadal might have lost that match as well. Back tot the match today. When I saw
that third set tiebreak, I already saw that look in Rafa's face realising his body could just not cope with this intensity. You have to
credit Nole for playing solid tennis and also for preserving his body so well. Rafa is unfortunately paying the price and when Nole
kept the pressure from the mid third set and increased it in the fourth with great serving, Rafa was collapsing again. The tiebreak
when Nadal missed that simple volley, when he tried the dropshots were all clear signs his body was not doing what it could do before.

I think towards the end of the third set and definitely winning the third set, Novak knew about Nadal's physical state. He smelled
the blood. Players know about the health of other players. It is no secret that Nadal has pain issues. I am thinking that once that
pain sets in, there is no way for Nadal to overcome it. The body just collapses slowly. Djokovic started serving very well and hitting
hard. Nadal's body was giving up, he couldn't even get the ball over the net in quite a few instances.

The sad truth is that peak Nadal has left us a long time ago and what is even worse, is that good level Nadal can only sustain a
strong level for 2-3 sets. What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.

The final will be very interesting. If Tsitispas wins, that would be his first grandslam. If Djokovic wins it will be his 19th grand slam
win and he will only need one more to equal Fed and Nadal. Also that makes Djokovic the only one of the three who will have won
all grand slams at least twice! Nole definitely deserves it. You got to respect a guy who keeps trying anything possible to improve.
 

catskillthunder

Professional
What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.
We want to believe there is one last run. One final epic night that will restore our favorite players back to immortality. The truth is, it’s all but over for Nadal. Father Time has finally caught up to him. All those years of wreaking havoc on his body, the injuries to the knees and the physical demand of the tour have taken their toll. Right now I’m still bummed out and trying to look at the bright side of things. The man has 20 GS titles and is considered one of the best of all time. Those are some great accomplishments. The hardest part of today was not the actual loss. It was watching Rafa being physically broken down and realizing his days are soon coming to an end as a major player in the sport.
 
Could it be that Nadal does not talk much about the pain he is experiencing because of his sponsor deals? I have always wondered that.
 

wangs78

Hall of Fame
The way Nadal kind of went away quietly in that 4th set makes me think the OP is onto something. For Nadal to be gassed, to have nothing left at that point is something that I’ve noticed too in the last couple of years, just that the nexgen opponents always manage to still lose. but anyway, like with Fed, there is nothing to be sad about if Nadal is more or less done winning Slams. 20 is already unbeeeeleeebeble, no?
 

vive le beau jeu !

Talk Tennis Guru
Haven't posted in a long time. I am a big Nadal fan. The reason I am posting is because I have been reading
a lot of stuff on Nadal for a long time that I disagree with and today for me is a good day to give my thoughts.

First of all congratulations to Novak. He has always been difficult for Nadal. Novak fought
hard and played good tennis. No shame in losing to one of the greatest player ever. The sad truth is not that
Nadal lost today, but there is something I have been seeing a long time in Nadal's game that has been concerning
me. To explain that I need to go a while back.

When Nadal won the first two sets against Medvedev convincingly at the US Open final, everything
looked fine. As Medvedev started playing a bit better and the third set was quite physical, I noticed that
Nadal's level became considerably less. 4th set same story. In the fifth set I felt like Nadal could have literally
just fall on the ground because his body was just not working anymore.
This is not because Nadal was exhausted,
but because Nadal can't sustain high level tennis anymore for a long time. Looking at Nadal's facial expression
I recognise pain. As soon as that pain level starts hitting a certain level, Nadal starts to make unforced errors he
would almost never make. Anyway I thought, maybe it was a difficult tournament for him and he wil recover.

Then came the semifinal against Tsitsipas at the Australian Open. Nadal was dominating Tsitsipas quite easily IMO.
Tsitsipas got a bit better and from the third set on Nadal's level declined considerably. Sure Tsitsipas got better, but
this was not the reason Nadal was missing the easiest smashes which he practically never misses. The higher level
of tennis causes a pain in Nadal's body that drops his level considerably. People were saying Tsitsipas improved his
level and in doing so defeated Nadal. True, but it wasn't that Tsitsipas started playing better tennis than Nadal, but
Nadal's body could not handle that level which years before he could handle easily. Nadal in good health, I am not
talking about peak level Nadal, tools Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic are like professors of tennis.
The next gen are mere students.

What about the match today? First I want to talk about the final last year in which Nadal won so convincingly. I have to say
I felt Nadal played good that day, but Novak played terrible. This made Nadal's level look higher than it was. I believe that if
Djokovic played as well as he did today, Nadal might have lost that match as well. Back tot the match today. When I saw
that third set tiebreak, I already saw that look in Rafa's face realising his body could just not cope with this intensity. You have to
credit Nole for playing solid tennis and also for preserving his body so well. Rafa is unfortunately paying the price and when Nole
kept the pressure from the mid third set and increased it in the fourth with great serving, Rafa was collapsing again. The tiebreak
when Nadal missed that simple volley, when he tried the dropshots were all clear signs his body was not doing what it could do before.

I think towards the end of the third set and definitely winning the third set, Novak knew about Nadal's physical state. He smelled
the blood. Players know about the health of other players. It is no secret that Nadal has pain issues. I am thinking that once that
pain sets in, there is no way for Nadal to overcome it. The body just collapses slowly. Djokovic started serving very well and hitting
hard. Nadal's body was giving up, he couldn't even get the ball over the net in quite a few instances.

The sad truth is that peak Nadal has left us a long time ago and what is even worse, is that good level Nadal can only sustain a
strong level for 2-3 sets. What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.

The final will be very interesting. If Tsitispas wins, that would be his first grandslam. If Djokovic wins it will be his 19th grand slam
win and he will only need one more to equal Fed and Nadal. Also that makes Djokovic the only one of the three who will have won
all grand slams at least twice! Nole definitely deserves it. You got to respect a guy who keeps trying anything possible to improve.
:unsure:

...



the nadal was/is injured.
:giggle:
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
Could it be that Nadal does not talk much about the pain he is experiencing because of his sponsor deals? I have always wondered that.
There were fears in late 2005 (as far back as that) that Nadal's tennis career might be over due to a foot injury.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Djokovic has looked much better than Nadal for a while, but he lacks a rock-solid temperament and record of reliability. And then of course there is the fact that Nadal is without peer on clay until now.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic has looked much better than Nadal for a while, but he lacks a rock-solid temperament and record of reliability. And then of course there is the fact that Nadal is without peer on clay until now.
Nadal looked much better than Djokovic last autumn.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Haven't posted in a long time. I am a big Nadal fan. The reason I am posting is because I have been reading
a lot of stuff on Nadal for a long time that I disagree with and today for me is a good day to give my thoughts.

First of all congratulations to Novak. He has always been difficult for Nadal. Novak fought
hard and played good tennis. No shame in losing to one of the greatest player ever. The sad truth is not that
Nadal lost today, but there is something I have been seeing a long time in Nadal's game that has been concerning
me. To explain that I need to go a while back.

When Nadal won the first two sets against Medvedev convincingly at the US Open final, everything
looked fine. As Medvedev started playing a bit better and the third set was quite physical, I noticed that
Nadal's level became considerably less. 4th set same story. In the fifth set I felt like Nadal could have literally
just fall on the ground because his body was just not working anymore.
This is not because Nadal was exhausted,
but because Nadal can't sustain high level tennis anymore for a long time. Looking at Nadal's facial expression
I recognise pain. As soon as that pain level starts hitting a certain level, Nadal starts to make unforced errors he
would almost never make. Anyway I thought, maybe it was a difficult tournament for him and he wil recover.

Then came the semifinal against Tsitsipas at the Australian Open. Nadal was dominating Tsitsipas quite easily IMO.
Tsitsipas got a bit better and from the third set on Nadal's level declined considerably. Sure Tsitsipas got better, but
this was not the reason Nadal was missing the easiest smashes which he practically never misses. The higher level
of tennis causes a pain in Nadal's body that drops his level considerably. People were saying Tsitsipas improved his
level and in doing so defeated Nadal. True, but it wasn't that Tsitsipas started playing better tennis than Nadal, but
Nadal's body could not handle that level which years before he could handle easily. Nadal in good health, I am not
talking about peak level Nadal, tools Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic are like professors of tennis.
The next gen are mere students.

What about the match today? First I want to talk about the final last year in which Nadal won so convincingly. I have to say
I felt Nadal played good that day, but Novak played terrible. This made Nadal's level look higher than it was. I believe that if
Djokovic played as well as he did today, Nadal might have lost that match as well. Back tot the match today. When I saw
that third set tiebreak, I already saw that look in Rafa's face realising his body could just not cope with this intensity. You have to
credit Nole for playing solid tennis and also for preserving his body so well. Rafa is unfortunately paying the price and when Nole
kept the pressure from the mid third set and increased it in the fourth with great serving, Rafa was collapsing again. The tiebreak
when Nadal missed that simple volley, when he tried the dropshots were all clear signs his body was not doing what it could do before.

I think towards the end of the third set and definitely winning the third set, Novak knew about Nadal's physical state. He smelled
the blood. Players know about the health of other players. It is no secret that Nadal has pain issues. I am thinking that once that
pain sets in, there is no way for Nadal to overcome it. The body just collapses slowly. Djokovic started serving very well and hitting
hard. Nadal's body was giving up, he couldn't even get the ball over the net in quite a few instances.

The sad truth is that peak Nadal has left us a long time ago and what is even worse, is that good level Nadal can only sustain a
strong level for 2-3 sets. What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.

The final will be very interesting. If Tsitispas wins, that would be his first grandslam. If Djokovic wins it will be his 19th grand slam
win and he will only need one more to equal Fed and Nadal. Also that makes Djokovic the only one of the three who will have won
all grand slams at least twice! Nole definitely deserves it. You got to respect a guy who keeps trying anything possible to improve.
So you basically agree with what i have been saying. I.e Nadal is washed up.
Hence RG2020 was so significant.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
We want to believe there is one last run. One final epic night that will restore our favorite players back to immortality. The truth is, it’s all but over for Nadal. Father Time has finally caught up to him. All those years of wreaking havoc on his body, the injuries to the knees and the physical demand of the tour have taken their toll. Right now I’m still bummed out and trying to look at the bright side of things. The man has 20 GS titles and is considered one of the best of all time. Those are some great accomplishments. The hardest part of today was not the actual loss. It was watching Rafa being physically broken down and realizing his days are soon coming to an end as a major player in the sport.
Exactly. Djokovic fans are going mad with me for saying beating this Nadal is not that big an achievement but at 35 Nadal is simply passed it. Zverev and Tsitsipas would have beaten him today. He was awful.
 
There were fears in late 2005 (as far back as that) that Nadal's tennis career might be over due to a foot injury.
Yes but the argument or idea was always that if Nadal takes the time to let his body recover, he can play at the highest level
again. I think that even if Nadal takes a year off and then plays again, his body will still have the same problem. I don't know
what it is. Is it pain in his whole body or just a specific place?
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
Yes but the argument or idea was always that if Nadal takes the time to let his body recover, he can play at the highest level
again. I think that even if Nadal takes a year off and then plays again, his body will still have the same problem. I don't know
what it is. Is it pain in his whole body or just a specific place?
That just replaces one problem with another, i.e. rustiness. It would also be harder to do what he did after 2012 Wimbledon/2013 return. He was 26-27 then, not 35.
 

JasonZ

Professional
Haven't posted in a long time. I am a big Nadal fan. The reason I am posting is because I have been reading
a lot of stuff on Nadal for a long time that I disagree with and today for me is a good day to give my thoughts.

First of all congratulations to Novak. He has always been difficult for Nadal. Novak fought
hard and played good tennis. No shame in losing to one of the greatest player ever. The sad truth is not that
Nadal lost today, but there is something I have been seeing a long time in Nadal's game that has been concerning
me. To explain that I need to go a while back.

When Nadal won the first two sets against Medvedev convincingly at the US Open final, everything
looked fine. As Medvedev started playing a bit better and the third set was quite physical, I noticed that
Nadal's level became considerably less. 4th set same story. In the fifth set I felt like Nadal could have literally
just fall on the ground because his body was just not working anymore.
This is not because Nadal was exhausted,
but because Nadal can't sustain high level tennis anymore for a long time. Looking at Nadal's facial expression
I recognise pain. As soon as that pain level starts hitting a certain level, Nadal starts to make unforced errors he
would almost never make. Anyway I thought, maybe it was a difficult tournament for him and he wil recover.

Then came the semifinal against Tsitsipas at the Australian Open. Nadal was dominating Tsitsipas quite easily IMO.
Tsitsipas got a bit better and from the third set on Nadal's level declined considerably. Sure Tsitsipas got better, but
this was not the reason Nadal was missing the easiest smashes which he practically never misses. The higher level
of tennis causes a pain in Nadal's body that drops his level considerably. People were saying Tsitsipas improved his
level and in doing so defeated Nadal. True, but it wasn't that Tsitsipas started playing better tennis than Nadal, but
Nadal's body could not handle that level which years before he could handle easily. Nadal in good health, I am not
talking about peak level Nadal, tools Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic are like professors of tennis.
The next gen are mere students.

What about the match today? First I want to talk about the final last year in which Nadal won so convincingly. I have to say
I felt Nadal played good that day, but Novak played terrible. This made Nadal's level look higher than it was. I believe that if
Djokovic played as well as he did today, Nadal might have lost that match as well. Back tot the match today. When I saw
that third set tiebreak, I already saw that look in Rafa's face realising his body could just not cope with this intensity. You have to
credit Nole for playing solid tennis and also for preserving his body so well. Rafa is unfortunately paying the price and when Nole
kept the pressure from the mid third set and increased it in the fourth with great serving, Rafa was collapsing again. The tiebreak
when Nadal missed that simple volley, when he tried the dropshots were all clear signs his body was not doing what it could do before.

I think towards the end of the third set and definitely winning the third set, Novak knew about Nadal's physical state. He smelled
the blood. Players know about the health of other players. It is no secret that Nadal has pain issues. I am thinking that once that
pain sets in, there is no way for Nadal to overcome it. The body just collapses slowly. Djokovic started serving very well and hitting
hard. Nadal's body was giving up, he couldn't even get the ball over the net in quite a few instances.

The sad truth is that peak Nadal has left us a long time ago and what is even worse, is that good level Nadal can only sustain a
strong level for 2-3 sets. What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.

The final will be very interesting. If Tsitispas wins, that would be his first grandslam. If Djokovic wins it will be his 19th grand slam
win and he will only need one more to equal Fed and Nadal. Also that makes Djokovic the only one of the three who will have won
all grand slams at least twice! Nole definitely deserves it. You got to respect a guy who keeps trying anything possible to improve.
last year final nadal was unplayable, he didnt commit any errors and his anticipation was great. djokovic played not bad, he was just completely outplayed.

today you are right, nadal gets tired if you are able to make him costantly run for over 3 hours. very very few players can do that.

nadal was finished today in the 4th set. he lost the last 6 games!
 

JasonZ

Professional
last year final nadal was unplayable, he didnt commit any errors and his anticipation was great. djokovic played not bad, he was just completely outplayed.

today you are right, nadal gets tired if you are able to make him costantly run for over 3 hours. very very few players can do that.

nadal was finished today in the 4th set. he lost the last 6 games!
 
Djokovic has looked much better than Nadal for a while, but he lacks a rock-solid temperament and record of reliability. And then of course there is the fact that Nadal is without peer on clay until now.
I have to agree with this. Nole has looked better than Rafa for quite a few years now. Nadal still had the edge on clay, but today showed
that this is not the case anymore. Not because Nole suddenly became a better clay courter, but because Nadal's level has declined. I actually
thought Nole would win RG 2020, but then Nole had a terrible performance.
 

reef58

Semi-Pro
Nadal comes at you like a UFC fighter. Most cannot withstand that and matches are quickly decided. The best thing Nole did all day was to extend the first set. That was the key. That and punishing Nadal's backhand. The level Nadal plays at cannot be sustained for hours. Same thing happened against Tsits in AO 2021.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Nadal comes at you like a UFC fighter. Most cannot withstand that and matches are quickly decided. The best thing Nole did all day was to extend the first set. That was the key. That and punishing Nadal's backhand. The level Nadal plays at cannot be sustained for hours. Same thing happened against Tsits in AO 2021.
Nadal would have lost to zverev and tsitsipas today. He was dreadful. UFEs all over the place.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I have to agree with this. Nole has looked better than Rafa for quite a few years now. Nadal still had the edge on clay, but today showed
that this is not the case anymore. Not because Nole suddenly became a better clay courter, but because Nadal's level has declined. I actually
thought Nole would win RG 2020, but then Nole had a terrible performance.
Djokovic choked in 2020. Massively. He is no lock for Sunday either.
 

lordlosh

Semi-Pro
Haven't posted in a long time. I am a big Nadal fan. The reason I am posting is because I have been reading
a lot of stuff on Nadal for a long time that I disagree with and today for me is a good day to give my thoughts.

First of all congratulations to Novak. He has always been difficult for Nadal. Novak fought
hard and played good tennis. No shame in losing to one of the greatest player ever. The sad truth is not that
Nadal lost today, but there is something I have been seeing a long time in Nadal's game that has been concerning
me. To explain that I need to go a while back.

When Nadal won the first two sets against Medvedev convincingly at the US Open final, everything
looked fine. As Medvedev started playing a bit better and the third set was quite physical, I noticed that
Nadal's level became considerably less. 4th set same story. In the fifth set I felt like Nadal could have literally
just fall on the ground because his body was just not working anymore.
This is not because Nadal was exhausted,
but because Nadal can't sustain high level tennis anymore for a long time. Looking at Nadal's facial expression
I recognise pain. As soon as that pain level starts hitting a certain level, Nadal starts to make unforced errors he
would almost never make. Anyway I thought, maybe it was a difficult tournament for him and he wil recover.

Then came the semifinal against Tsitsipas at the Australian Open. Nadal was dominating Tsitsipas quite easily IMO.
Tsitsipas got a bit better and from the third set on Nadal's level declined considerably. Sure Tsitsipas got better, but
this was not the reason Nadal was missing the easiest smashes which he practically never misses. The higher level
of tennis causes a pain in Nadal's body that drops his level considerably. People were saying Tsitsipas improved his
level and in doing so defeated Nadal. True, but it wasn't that Tsitsipas started playing better tennis than Nadal, but
Nadal's body could not handle that level which years before he could handle easily. Nadal in good health, I am not
talking about peak level Nadal, tools Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic are like professors of tennis.
The next gen are mere students.

What about the match today? First I want to talk about the final last year in which Nadal won so convincingly. I have to say
I felt Nadal played good that day, but Novak played terrible. This made Nadal's level look higher than it was. I believe that if
Djokovic played as well as he did today, Nadal might have lost that match as well. Back tot the match today. When I saw
that third set tiebreak, I already saw that look in Rafa's face realising his body could just not cope with this intensity. You have to
credit Nole for playing solid tennis and also for preserving his body so well. Rafa is unfortunately paying the price and when Nole
kept the pressure from the mid third set and increased it in the fourth with great serving, Rafa was collapsing again. The tiebreak
when Nadal missed that simple volley, when he tried the dropshots were all clear signs his body was not doing what it could do before.

I think towards the end of the third set and definitely winning the third set, Novak knew about Nadal's physical state. He smelled
the blood. Players know about the health of other players. It is no secret that Nadal has pain issues. I am thinking that once that
pain sets in, there is no way for Nadal to overcome it. The body just collapses slowly. Djokovic started serving very well and hitting
hard. Nadal's body was giving up, he couldn't even get the ball over the net in quite a few instances.

The sad truth is that peak Nadal has left us a long time ago and what is even worse, is that good level Nadal can only sustain a
strong level for 2-3 sets. What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.

The final will be very interesting. If Tsitispas wins, that would be his first grandslam. If Djokovic wins it will be his 19th grand slam
win and he will only need one more to equal Fed and Nadal. Also that makes Djokovic the only one of the three who will have won
all grand slams at least twice! Nole definitely deserves it. You got to respect a guy who keeps trying anything possible to improve.
Yeah typical Nadal things. What got me curious is what was that special therapy you were talking about ? Cause i know only one special thing, that do magical stuffs. :D
 

lordlosh

Semi-Pro
Nadal comes at you like a UFC fighter. Most cannot withstand that and matches are quickly decided. The best thing Nole did all day was to extend the first set. That was the key. That and punishing Nadal's backhand. The level Nadal plays at cannot be sustained for hours. Same thing happened against Tsits in AO 2021.
This, and Nole being the guy that set the pace of the match. Nadal was always on the receiving end.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
Nadal has had a long history of physical problems with his wrist, knees, and back. In recent years he has ditched his old style, and tried a serve-plus-one strategy to end points within five shots, as a way of getting through matches before the pain and fatigue become too great. Usually it works, because he's great no matter what he does. Everything Nadal tries on a tennis court turns out great.

Djokovic doesn't have that long physical degeneration at this point, and he can probably go longer, all things being equal. But Djokovic also tried strategic changes in this match which paid off. He kept the ball on his forehand and attacked the sidelines with loopy shots. Djokovic actually played clay court tennis for a change.

In any case, the days of those two guys dominating tennis are closing fast.
 
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BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Rafa’s decline in stamina was the hardest for me to accept because in his prime, his fitness was above everyone else‘s especially in a 5th set. Now if he doesn’t win a match in straight sets, he’s exhausted If he’s pushed hard enough.
I really think Rafa is being hurt by the weight he carries. I'm not ever suggesting he's even the tiniest bit overweight, but like Murray, he's heavier boned and weighs probably 190 now. Fed's always been very slim, Novak even skinnier. At 35, Rafa should try and take off 10 pounds and ease the stress on his body. Sacrifice muscle mass for being lithe in his old tennis age.
 

Toronto11

New User
He continues to lose the explosive speed he once had as well.

I felt like he finished more points at the net last year as well. There were many times today where he had Novak stretched out on both sides of the court setting up easy put away volleys however he hung back and allowed him to get back into the point.
 

Chopin

Hall of Fame
Chopin, that Romantic master, vanished into a dream, still posting only in the memories of the posters of yesteryear (do the historians still remember?)!

Nadal, a legend on the clay, is still immortal, even if he lost the day. Fret not, tennis poachers, for it was only one match, on a particular day. The game itself is eternal and every atom of it that belongs to Nadal belongs to you as well.

Nadal will rise again, as will the Romantic of the Boards.

Did you hear the passerby shout, "return of Chopin!"?
 

beltsman

Legend
Haven't posted in a long time. I am a big Nadal fan. The reason I am posting is because I have been reading
a lot of stuff on Nadal for a long time that I disagree with and today for me is a good day to give my thoughts.

First of all congratulations to Novak. He has always been difficult for Nadal. Novak fought
hard and played good tennis. No shame in losing to one of the greatest player ever. The sad truth is not that
Nadal lost today, but there is something I have been seeing a long time in Nadal's game that has been concerning
me. To explain that I need to go a while back.

When Nadal won the first two sets against Medvedev convincingly at the US Open final, everything
looked fine. As Medvedev started playing a bit better and the third set was quite physical, I noticed that
Nadal's level became considerably less. 4th set same story. In the fifth set I felt like Nadal could have literally
just fall on the ground because his body was just not working anymore.
This is not because Nadal was exhausted,
but because Nadal can't sustain high level tennis anymore for a long time. Looking at Nadal's facial expression
I recognise pain. As soon as that pain level starts hitting a certain level, Nadal starts to make unforced errors he
would almost never make. Anyway I thought, maybe it was a difficult tournament for him and he wil recover.

Then came the semifinal against Tsitsipas at the Australian Open. Nadal was dominating Tsitsipas quite easily IMO.
Tsitsipas got a bit better and from the third set on Nadal's level declined considerably. Sure Tsitsipas got better, but
this was not the reason Nadal was missing the easiest smashes which he practically never misses. The higher level
of tennis causes a pain in Nadal's body that drops his level considerably. People were saying Tsitsipas improved his
level and in doing so defeated Nadal. True, but it wasn't that Tsitsipas started playing better tennis than Nadal, but
Nadal's body could not handle that level which years before he could handle easily. Nadal in good health, I am not
talking about peak level Nadal, tools Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic are like professors of tennis.
The next gen are mere students.

What about the match today? First I want to talk about the final last year in which Nadal won so convincingly. I have to say
I felt Nadal played good that day, but Novak played terrible. This made Nadal's level look higher than it was. I believe that if
Djokovic played as well as he did today, Nadal might have lost that match as well. Back tot the match today. When I saw
that third set tiebreak, I already saw that look in Rafa's face realising his body could just not cope with this intensity. You have to
credit Nole for playing solid tennis and also for preserving his body so well. Rafa is unfortunately paying the price and when Nole
kept the pressure from the mid third set and increased it in the fourth with great serving, Rafa was collapsing again. The tiebreak
when Nadal missed that simple volley, when he tried the dropshots were all clear signs his body was not doing what it could do before.

I think towards the end of the third set and definitely winning the third set, Novak knew about Nadal's physical state. He smelled
the blood. Players know about the health of other players. It is no secret that Nadal has pain issues. I am thinking that once that
pain sets in, there is no way for Nadal to overcome it. The body just collapses slowly. Djokovic started serving very well and hitting
hard. Nadal's body was giving up, he couldn't even get the ball over the net in quite a few instances.

The sad truth is that peak Nadal has left us a long time ago and what is even worse, is that good level Nadal can only sustain a
strong level for 2-3 sets. What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.

The final will be very interesting. If Tsitispas wins, that would be his first grandslam. If Djokovic wins it will be his 19th grand slam
win and he will only need one more to equal Fed and Nadal. Also that makes Djokovic the only one of the three who will have won
all grand slams at least twice! Nole definitely deserves it. You got to respect a guy who keeps trying anything possible to improve.
YES! And actually at RG 20 I remember thinking that Nadal was in trouble if pushed to a 4th. His strategy now is to blitz opponents rather than draw it out. Once next gen learns this, I'm afraid it might be it for him...

Very sad.
 
Chopin, that Romantic master, vanished into a dream, still posting only in the memories of the posters of yesteryear (do the historians still remember?)!

Nadal, a legend on the clay, is still immortal, even if he lost the day. Fret not, tennis poachers, for it was only one match, on a particular day. The game itself is eternal and every atom of it that belongs to Nadal belongs to you as well.

Nadal will rise again, as will the Romantic of the Boards.

Did you hear the passerby shout, "return of Chopin!"?
...for it was only one match, on a particular day......

I think this is the default situation now. Nadal when pushed beyond 3 sets, just can't do it anymore.
 

darthrafa

New User
the facial expression in previous competitions already showed that rafa knew he reached his physical limit. i am a rafa fan and always feel it is my luck and tennis' luck to hv him. imagine fed would have won how many and how boring it would be.

djoker might be the most successful
fed IS goat
but rafa is my beloved one
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
...for it was only one match, on a particular day......

I think this is the default situation now. Nadal when pushed beyond 3 sets, just can't do it anymore.
Proof:
AO’17 final
Wimby’17 4R
AO’18 QF
Wimby’18 SF
Wimby’19 SF
AO’20 QF
AO’21 QF
RG’21 SF

Near-misses:

AO’17 3R (vs Zed)
USO’18 (vs Thiem)
USO’19 (vs Meddie) HINT: YoungGen Sucks!
 

movies99

Rookie
Haven't posted in a long time. I am a big Nadal fan. The reason I am posting is because I have been reading
a lot of stuff on Nadal for a long time that I disagree with and today for me is a good day to give my thoughts.

First of all congratulations to Novak. He has always been difficult for Nadal. Novak fought
hard and played good tennis. No shame in losing to one of the greatest player ever. The sad truth is not that
Nadal lost today, but there is something I have been seeing a long time in Nadal's game that has been concerning
me. To explain that I need to go a while back.

When Nadal won the first two sets against Medvedev convincingly at the US Open final, everything
looked fine. As Medvedev started playing a bit better and the third set was quite physical, I noticed that
Nadal's level became considerably less. 4th set same story. In the fifth set I felt like Nadal could have literally
just fall on the ground because his body was just not working anymore.
This is not because Nadal was exhausted,
but because Nadal can't sustain high level tennis anymore for a long time. Looking at Nadal's facial expression
I recognise pain. As soon as that pain level starts hitting a certain level, Nadal starts to make unforced errors he
would almost never make. Anyway I thought, maybe it was a difficult tournament for him and he wil recover.

Then came the semifinal against Tsitsipas at the Australian Open. Nadal was dominating Tsitsipas quite easily IMO.
Tsitsipas got a bit better and from the third set on Nadal's level declined considerably. Sure Tsitsipas got better, but
this was not the reason Nadal was missing the easiest smashes which he practically never misses. The higher level
of tennis causes a pain in Nadal's body that drops his level considerably. People were saying Tsitsipas improved his
level and in doing so defeated Nadal. True, but it wasn't that Tsitsipas started playing better tennis than Nadal, but
Nadal's body could not handle that level which years before he could handle easily. Nadal in good health, I am not
talking about peak level Nadal, tools Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic are like professors of tennis.
The next gen are mere students.

What about the match today? First I want to talk about the final last year in which Nadal won so convincingly. I have to say
I felt Nadal played good that day, but Novak played terrible. This made Nadal's level look higher than it was. I believe that if
Djokovic played as well as he did today, Nadal might have lost that match as well. Back tot the match today. When I saw
that third set tiebreak, I already saw that look in Rafa's face realising his body could just not cope with this intensity. You have to
credit Nole for playing solid tennis and also for preserving his body so well. Rafa is unfortunately paying the price and when Nole
kept the pressure from the mid third set and increased it in the fourth with great serving, Rafa was collapsing again. The tiebreak
when Nadal missed that simple volley, when he tried the dropshots were all clear signs his body was not doing what it could do before.

I think towards the end of the third set and definitely winning the third set, Novak knew about Nadal's physical state. He smelled
the blood. Players know about the health of other players. It is no secret that Nadal has pain issues. I am thinking that once that
pain sets in, there is no way for Nadal to overcome it. The body just collapses slowly. Djokovic started serving very well and hitting
hard. Nadal's body was giving up, he couldn't even get the ball over the net in quite a few instances.

The sad truth is that peak Nadal has left us a long time ago and what is even worse, is that good level Nadal can only sustain a
strong level for 2-3 sets. What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.

The final will be very interesting. If Tsitispas wins, that would be his first grandslam. If Djokovic wins it will be his 19th grand slam
win and he will only need one more to equal Fed and Nadal. Also that makes Djokovic the only one of the three who will have won
all grand slams at least twice! Nole definitely deserves it. You got to respect a guy who keeps trying anything possible to improve.
Come on dude, Yes he slowed down a bit but he night conditions certainly made it difficult to hit through Djokovic who was beasting defence. Serve was the main issue, if serve is not working Nadal complicates entire game. I hope Nadal works on his serve. It's amazing how Djokovic serve improved massively over the years and helps cleaner mind on return. Nadal has still the best attacking and ground game on clay. If he can fix his serve, he can win even with 75% peak level, his power on clay is still next to none.
That is why day conditions are lot better, he can finish points quickly
 

terribleIVAN

Hall of Fame
He continues to lose the explosive speed he once had as well.

I felt like he finished more points at the net last year as well. There were many times today where he had Novak stretched out on both sides of the court setting up easy put away volleys however he hung back and allowed him to get back into the point.
His explosiveness and retrieving seem fine to me; it's the engine that runs on dry.

And you're right, Rafa cannot take advantage of winning positions during a point; he refuses to trust his volleys except for obvious putaways and struggles to flatten his shots; playing those from the mid-court or closer he seems uneasy or lost and very often makes incredible blunders.

He could easily win points by better exploiting the geometry of the court, but he seems stuck in the same attrition tactics.

In the past he would get away with this because his stamina and speed, but now that those are declining, his technical and tactical deficiencies get exposed.
 
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Milanez82

Hall of Fame
Nothing wrong with 2020 RG being that last great run where he not only won but destroyed world no1 who came into the match something like undefeated
I'm surprised djokovic recovered from that beat down
And if he got past Djoko in sf, he wasn't going to lose to Stefanos
And he is still the favorite next year unless there is an injury
 

T007

Professional
Haven't posted in a long time. I am a big Nadal fan. The reason I am posting is because I have been reading
a lot of stuff on Nadal for a long time that I disagree with and today for me is a good day to give my thoughts.

First of all congratulations to Novak. He has always been difficult for Nadal. Novak fought
hard and played good tennis. No shame in losing to one of the greatest player ever. The sad truth is not that
Nadal lost today, but there is something I have been seeing a long time in Nadal's game that has been concerning
me. To explain that I need to go a while back.

When Nadal won the first two sets against Medvedev convincingly at the US Open final, everything
looked fine. As Medvedev started playing a bit better and the third set was quite physical, I noticed that
Nadal's level became considerably less. 4th set same story. In the fifth set I felt like Nadal could have literally
just fall on the ground because his body was just not working anymore.
This is not because Nadal was exhausted,
but because Nadal can't sustain high level tennis anymore for a long time. Looking at Nadal's facial expression
I recognise pain. As soon as that pain level starts hitting a certain level, Nadal starts to make unforced errors he
would almost never make. Anyway I thought, maybe it was a difficult tournament for him and he wil recover.

Then came the semifinal against Tsitsipas at the Australian Open. Nadal was dominating Tsitsipas quite easily IMO.
Tsitsipas got a bit better and from the third set on Nadal's level declined considerably. Sure Tsitsipas got better, but
this was not the reason Nadal was missing the easiest smashes which he practically never misses. The higher level
of tennis causes a pain in Nadal's body that drops his level considerably. People were saying Tsitsipas improved his
level and in doing so defeated Nadal. True, but it wasn't that Tsitsipas started playing better tennis than Nadal, but
Nadal's body could not handle that level which years before he could handle easily. Nadal in good health, I am not
talking about peak level Nadal, tools Tsitsipas and Medvedev. Nadal, Federer and Djokovic are like professors of tennis.
The next gen are mere students.

What about the match today? First I want to talk about the final last year in which Nadal won so convincingly. I have to say
I felt Nadal played good that day, but Novak played terrible. This made Nadal's level look higher than it was. I believe that if
Djokovic played as well as he did today, Nadal might have lost that match as well. Back tot the match today. When I saw
that third set tiebreak, I already saw that look in Rafa's face realising his body could just not cope with this intensity. You have to
credit Nole for playing solid tennis and also for preserving his body so well. Rafa is unfortunately paying the price and when Nole
kept the pressure from the mid third set and increased it in the fourth with great serving, Rafa was collapsing again. The tiebreak
when Nadal missed that simple volley, when he tried the dropshots were all clear signs his body was not doing what it could do before.

I think towards the end of the third set and definitely winning the third set, Novak knew about Nadal's physical state. He smelled
the blood. Players know about the health of other players. It is no secret that Nadal has pain issues. I am thinking that once that
pain sets in, there is no way for Nadal to overcome it. The body just collapses slowly. Djokovic started serving very well and hitting
hard. Nadal's body was giving up, he couldn't even get the ball over the net in quite a few instances.

The sad truth is that peak Nadal has left us a long time ago and what is even worse, is that good level Nadal can only sustain a
strong level for 2-3 sets. What can Nadal do about this? I know that Nadal used special therapy for his knees in the past. Perhaps
he can get that kind of therapy again for his whole body.

The final will be very interesting. If Tsitispas wins, that would be his first grandslam. If Djokovic wins it will be his 19th grand slam
win and he will only need one more to equal Fed and Nadal. Also that makes Djokovic the only one of the three who will have won
all grand slams at least twice! Nole definitely deserves it. You got to respect a guy who keeps trying anything possible to improve.
You have quoted the Nadal issues very well. I can also see that he can no longer go toe to toe for 3-4 hrs. The reason is he is most bulkier and heaviest among the big 3. His game style is physically tough to maintain at old age.

Nadal throughout his career perferred to tame his opponents in lung bursting rallies but today he is getting beaten at his own game by Younger and fitter players.

He has to change his game style may be serve bit better pace look for free points and go for winners rather than prolonging the rally waiting for your opponent to crumble. He can't stay that much far behind the baseline and return specially at BPs as that is not going to work anymore outside clay.
 

phl92

Professional
Sorry didnt read your whole post.
There is a video with a small interview on YT where Nadal admits (with a frustrated smile) that his most accessory are his painkillers.
Its not a secret that most tennis players are constantly on medical treatment but I would guess that Nadal is on the very top of the consumption. This is highly speculative, but imo Nadal is also aging much fast than other players. His gamestyle of course is more taxing… he definitely is giving it all all the time
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
WTF collapse vs. Medvedev is also a good example. Decent op but not exactly a revelation and also not many Nadal fans here disagreeing that I've seen so not sure what actually spurred you to post :unsure:

Everyone gets old :cry:
 

Tennis Rules

Semi-Pro
in my opinon a player at the age of 35 can only win....no one can except that he wis winning and winning again and again - but he did it.

yesterday...hard loss, got his chances but serve and backhand not on point. his defense was incredible. maybe djokovic had collapsed the 4th set when nadal had won the third.

to me nadal is the sportsman of the century
 
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