Absurd day of tennis has negative repercussions for the women's final which will now be delayed

Sentinel said:
So you mean it makes sense for the women to wait interminably ?
Not getting your logic. I felt the women should be first.

I understand your part that the men will get 2 hours more to rest for the final, but apart from that the W final could get delayed a lot, although i don;t think these 2 will go into a long 5th set.

But yeah, if the W final is first then the semi doesn't start straight away, there will be the ceremonies and speeches and what not. You don't want to hurry that up for another big match, I guess. But on the other hand, the royalty now don't know when the final starts. Duke and Duchess of Kent I mean. The younger ones will probably be happy to sit through the men's semi.
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I had forgotten the about this

The post-match trophy ceremony alone could take longer than the rest of the men's match
 
What's even more ridiculous is that since the roof will be shut for the men's match, the following will happen:

1 - 20 minute delay for the roof to open. So if Novak and Rafa go deep into a fifth set, there'll be an even longer wait just for the roof.
2 - Humidity builds up in the stadium with it being closed, unfair to spectators and women's finalists.

Wimbledon have really made a fool of themselves. Their stupid 'rules' have really affected the scheduling of the tournament and their stubbornness to not use common sense has really brought the Championships down. It's really not what it used to be.
 
jm1980 said:
I had forgotten the about this

The post-match trophy ceremony alone could take longer than the rest of the men's match
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I guess the rule just is that the "big" or main match happens last, as someone pointed out. Tennis players are used to waiting, the poster said. So it guess its okay.
 
The_Order said:
What's even more ridiculous is that since the roof will be shut for the men's match, the following will happen:

1 - 20 minute delay for the roof to open. So if Novak and Rafa go deep into a fifth set, there'll be an even longer wait just for the roof.
2 - Humidity builds up in the stadium with it being closed, unfair to spectators and women's finalists.

Wimbledon have really made a fool of themselves. Their stupid 'rules' have really affected the scheduling of the tournament and their stubbornness to not use common sense has really brought the Championships down. It's really not what it used to be.
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Don't worry. It will be hot so the AELTC should turn on the air conditioning for the spectators. :D

Nice, cool, still conditions. :D
 
The_Order said:
What's even more ridiculous is that since the roof will be shut for the men's match, the following will happen:

1 - 20 minute delay for the roof to open. So if Novak and Rafa go deep into a fifth set, there'll be an even longer wait just for the roof.
2 - Humidity builds up in the stadium with it being closed, unfair to spectators and women's finalists.

Wimbledon have really made a fool of themselves. Their stupid 'rules' have really affected the scheduling of the tournament and their stubbornness to not use common sense has really brought the Championships down. It's really not what it used to be.
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It's not what it used to be? Nadal and Djokovic would barely have taken the court yesterday if Wimbledon was what it used to be.
 
reaper said:
It's not what it used to be? Nadal and Djokovic would barely have taken the court yesterday if Wimbledon was what it used to be.
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In terms of prestige. It's fast losing it with it's dumb decisions. It is the most backward of the majors.
 
The_Order said:
What's even more ridiculous is that since the roof will be shut for the men's match, the following will happen:

1 - 20 minute delay for the roof to open. So if Novak and Rafa go deep into a fifth set, there'll be an even longer wait just for the roof.
2 - Humidity builds up in the stadium with it being closed, unfair to spectators and women's finalists.

Wimbledon have really made a fool of themselves. Their stupid 'rules' have really affected the scheduling of the tournament and their stubbornness to not use common sense has really brought the Championships down. It's really not what it used to be.
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You wouldn't be saying that though if the conditions and rules happened to favor Nadal. This time it favored Djokovic. People have to suck it up. Nadal had that third set and blew it. I agree though that they need to institute a tiebreaker in the fifth set and do it right away(for next year.)
 
The_Order said:
Should? LOL

Here's what 'should' have happened:

- TB in the 5th at 12 games all. There all problems = solved.
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I meant what I think they will do.
And yeah, fully extended 5th sets are annoying.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
This problem could've been easily solved by organizing the men to play after the ladies final which also would've given them more time to rest..
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But also less time to rest before the final on Sunday.

Aussie Darcy said:
It's not the women's fault that Isner/Anderson play such boring servebot tennis.
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Of course it isn't, but the women are done tomorrow whatever time they are scheduled to play. The guys have to come back the following day for their final.
 
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The_Order said:
What's even more ridiculous is that since the roof will be shut for the men's match, the following will happen:

1 - 20 minute delay for the roof to open. So if Novak and Rafa go deep into a fifth set, there'll be an even longer wait just for the roof.
2 - Humidity builds up in the stadium with it being closed, unfair to spectators and women's finalists.

Wimbledon have really made a fool of themselves. Their stupid 'rules' have really affected the scheduling of the tournament and their stubbornness to not use common sense has really brought the Championships down. It's really not what it used to be.
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Have to agree with you on this. As I've argued elsewhere, matches should always be played open if the weather permits and tomorrow is predicted to be fine and dry in which case no sensible reason to keep the roof closed (doesn't matter whether the roof was initially closed or not).
 
Mainad said:
But also less time to rest before the final on Sunday.



Of course it isn't, but the women are done tomorrow whatever time they are scheduled to play. The guys have to come back the following day for their final.
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So back to the original point that the women are being put out to accomodate the men. Ok then.
 
cc0509 said:
You wouldn't be saying that though if the conditions and rules happened to favor Nadal. This time it favored Djokovic. People have to suck it up. Nadal had that third set and blew it. I agree though that they need to institute a tiebreaker in the fifth set and do it right away(for next year.)
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Wrong. I don't mind the conditions for Nadal being indoors. Last night he was coping with them quite well...

If the conditions favoured Nadal, you lot would be kicking up a massive sook...
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Gotta admit that this is pretty poor.

Because of the annoying Wimbledon rule of no play after 11PM and the crazy long Anderson/Isner match, Djokovic v Nadal had to be suspended at the start of the 4th set. The organizers have decided to schedule the match to resume at 1PM tomorrow which is BEFORE the women's final at 2PM. Considering how long the sets have been between these two players, it is highly likely that the women's final will now be delayed. Not only will it be delayed, the women will have to wait around, potentially for hours for the men to finish playing which is definitely unprecedented in recent years for a slam final.

Say what you want about women's tennis (i'm sure there'll be a lot of negative comments here), but can you imagine how you would feel if the men's final was to be indefinitely delayed because of a women's match? People would go crazy.

To make matters worse, earlier in the tournament, organizers were adamant that the timing of the men's final wouldn't be changed if England made the World Cup final so many are asking why the women's time slot is ok to be amended but not the men's.

Kerber and Serena are set to play one of their biggest matches of their career (Kerber going for slam #3 and Serena looking to equal Court's record of 24 slams). But instead of knowing when their match will start, they potentially could sit around for hours (if the match is anything like the Anderson/Isner match, they could be waiting for a long, long time).
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It simply sucks, but the women will not be as badly hurt as the men, who will have to play two days in a row. Fortunately for them the winner faces Anderson, who should be barely able to walk on Sunday.

For God's sake, change the rule. TB in the 5th set.
 
Gary Duane said:
It simply sucks, but the women will not be as badly hurt as the men, who will have to play two days in a row. Fortunately for them the winner faces Anderson, who should be barely able to walk on Sunday.

For God's sake, change the rule. TB in the 5th set.
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There's no real problem for the women. They'll play their match on a court with the same dimensions as before, starting at a slightly different time. Both players will receive several hundred thousand dollars more than they would if the women's was a stand alone event to compensate for the inconvenience. Anderson will need a heroic performance to win the men's and needs to hope Nadal and Djokovic go another 4 hours today. Not likely. They'll change the 5th set rule for next year, I hope to a tie break at 12-12 not 6-6.
 
Mainad said:
But what hardship will it be for the women? They finish tomorrow one way or another. The men have to come back Sunday.
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They have to sit around and wait indefinitely for the start of one of the most important matches of their lives because of Wimbledon’s stupid rules and because of Anderson and Isner’s boring tennis.

The organisers refused to move the men’s final for the possibility of England making the World Cup final during the same time but apparently the women’s final can be easily moved to accommodate the men’s SF. It’s not a good look.

Sure it sucks for the men who have to play the next day, but again, nothing to do with the women. Blame Isner/Anderson, blame 11PM end, blame the roof etc.
 
Mainad said:
But what hardship will it be for the women? They finish tomorrow one way or another. The men have to come back Sunday.
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Why not make the men’s SF at 11AM? Make it after so the women aren’t interrupted? Who cares if they have less time between matches, Anderson is going to be exhausted after back to back 5 set epics so it shouldn’t matter. It’s awful that the women are being put out. Simple as that.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
This problem could've been easily solved by organizing the men to play after the ladies final which also would've given them more time to rest..

It's not the women's fault that Isner/Anderson play such boring servebot tennis.
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Omg you always try to turn everything into a gendered issue.

The majority of people don’t give a flying phuck about women’s tennis. There, I said it.
 
reaper said:
There's no real problem for the women. They'll play their match on a court with the same dimensions as before, starting at a slightly different time. Both players will receive several hundred thousand dollars more than they would if the women's was a stand alone event to compensate for the inconvenience. Anderson will need a heroic performance to win the men's and needs to hope Nadal and Djokovic go another 4 hours today. Not likely. They'll change the 5th set rule for next year, I hope to a tie break at 12-12 not 6-6.
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I don't want to see 12/12 sets either. For me it is too damned long and does not produce the best quality tennis. The first and second set TBs were very good.

I've never been a fan of matches that go on forever.

Isner and Anderson were playing their best in set 3 and set 4.

5 hour matches are now running around 5 hours with TBs. No human being should be expected to continue to play at top level after 6 hours.
 
Gary Duane said:
I don't want to see 12/12 sets either. For me it is too damned long and does not produce the best quality tennis. The first and second set TBs were very good.

I've never been a fan of matches that go on forever.

Isner and Anderson were playing their best in set 3 and set 4.

5 hour matches are now running around 5 hours with TBs. No human being should be expected to continue to play at top level after 6 hours.
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This does come down to opinion. I agree with the concept of advantage set in the 5th, but concede they can't play forever. To me the Federer/Anderson match was better for being advantage set in the 5th, Isner/Anderson went too long and with huge servers it could have gone past 26-24. Anyway, they'll almost certainly institute a change before the AO next year.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Why not make the men’s SF at 11AM? Make it after so the women aren’t interrupted? Who cares if they have less time between matches, Anderson is going to be exhausted after back to back 5 set epics so it shouldn’t matter. It’s awful that the women are being put out. Simple as that.
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Are you sure there's no projection here? This doesn't potentially push the women's final into an unfavourable time slot for Australian viewers does it?
 
The_Order said:
Wrong. I don't mind the conditions for Nadal being indoors. Last night he was coping with them quite well...

If the conditions favoured Nadal, you lot would be kicking up a massive sook...
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Not me, man! I don't get that bent out of shape over these type of things. This time Djokovic had luck on his side. Nadal and Federer have had their share of things working out in their favor.


That first SF sounded like a horror show. You'd have to pay me to watch that match though in the first place, let along a 6 hour match with those two! They really need to change the rule to have a tiebreaker in the fifth.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Gotta admit that this is pretty poor.

Because of the annoying Wimbledon rule of no play after 11PM and the crazy long Anderson/Isner match, Djokovic v Nadal had to be suspended at the start of the 4th set. The organizers have decided to schedule the match to resume at 1PM tomorrow which is BEFORE the women's final at 2PM. Considering how long the sets have been between these two players, it is highly likely that the women's final will now be delayed. Not only will it be delayed, the women will have to wait around, potentially for hours for the men to finish playing which is definitely unprecedented in recent years for a slam final.

Say what you want about women's tennis (i'm sure there'll be a lot of negative comments here), but can you imagine how you would feel if the men's final was to be indefinitely delayed because of a women's match? People would go crazy.

To make matters worse, earlier in the tournament, organizers were adamant that the timing of the men's final wouldn't be changed if England made the World Cup final so many are asking why the women's time slot is ok to be amended but not the men's.

Kerber and Serena are set to play one of their biggest matches of their career (Kerber going for slam #3 and Serena looking to equal Court's record of 24 slams). But instead of knowing when their match will start, they potentially could sit around for hours (if the match is anything like the Anderson/Isner match, they could be waiting for a long, long time).
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You are getting worse by the day.

The SFs on the men's side were scheduled as usual.

If it comes to delays because of extremely long matches then it is what it is.

It is not like the organisers were trying to screw the ladies final, nor is such extremely unusual long SF the norm, to calculate so much additional time in advance.

And, the ladies final will have to wait?

Oh, and, cry me a river, as though the men in the second SF didn't have to wait like a lot more (since, unless there is a fifth set that goes to extreme lengths, the remainder of the second SF will be played in probably less than 2.5 hours, so, an hour and a half wait).

It is a stupid rule to stop play by 11 PM?

Yeah, if you have no idea why that is, I can see how your self-serving whining can be directed at that.

Maybe they should extend the play over the course of a night, just to please an ATP hater.

Your WC final comment is without a doubt one of the most hilarious moments in your posting history.

So, the organisers should have taken into account an event that never materialised, to, as a secondary consequence from taking it into consideration, counter the effects of an extremely unlikely event.

:cool:
 
reaper said:
This does come down to opinion. I agree with the concept of advantage set in the 5th, but concede they can't play forever. To me the Federer/Anderson match was better for being advantage set in the 5th, Isner/Anderson went too long and with huge servers it could have gone past 26-24. Anyway, they'll almost certainly institute a change before the AO next year.
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Regardless, I don't even know when to record tomorrow. Women are set for 9 AM, which is 2 PM London time. I have to work, and I need sleep. I always record. Supposedly the men's finishes starting at 1 PM, so hopefully be setting a recording two hours early I will be safe.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Why not make the men’s SF at 11AM? Make it after so the women aren’t interrupted? Who cares if they have less time between matches, Anderson is going to be exhausted after back to back 5 set epics so it shouldn’t matter. It’s awful that the women are being put out. Simple as that.
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how about put the men on at 1 pm but if they aren't done in an hour, take them off and put Serena and Angie on as scheduled and then after that put Novak and Rafa back on? Whatever they do, Kevin is screwed anyway. Sorry, Kevin.
 
Gary Duane said:
Regardless, I don't even know when to record tomorrow. Women are set for 9 AM, which is 2 PM London time. I have to work, and I need sleep. I always record. Supposedly the men's finishes starting at 1 PM, so hopefully be setting a recording two hours early I will be safe.
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Viewers everywhere are bamboozled. In Australia the men's semi is starting at 10pm, but it's not clear who if anyone is showing it. Telecast is scheduled for 10:45 by which time the men's match could be over, allowing the women to start as per the schedule.
 
reaper said:
Viewers everywhere are bamboozled. In Australia the men's semi is starting at 10pm, but it's not clear who if anyone is showing it. Telecast is scheduled for 10:45 by which time the men's match could be over, allowing the women to start as per the schedule.
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I would guess that someone will show it, but you may not know about it until it happens. ESPN shows it here, and there is nothing scheduled, which means if I program to record, I'll miss most of it. What I am supposedly recording is not Wimbledon.

Same thing today. I set up to record hours after the scheduling was done. If not, I would have missed the last couple hours and everything that happened later.
 
loosegroove said:
As irritating as it is may be for the women, I don't understand why people are crying foul. How unfair would it be for Djokovic or Nadal to have to play the final on Sunday after ending a late match on Saturday AFTER a long women's final? It's bad enough for them that they don't get a full day's rest, while Anderson does. Why exacerbate the issue? Serena and Kerber are at least on equal footing, though they may be sitting around for a bit. But that's true for many matches, unless you're the first match of the day, so it's not out of the ordinary for a big match. How frickin long were Djokovic and Nadal sitting around today waiting to get on the court for their big semifinal encounter? I guess they could let the women play on Centre court at the scheduled time and let the men finish on Court 1, but I don't think that would be so nice for the attendance of the women's final, nor would it be that fair to the fans.

And as far as people bringing up the World Cup, sorry but that's just plain ridiculous. You're comparing scheduling two matches that are occurring in the SAME sport in the SAME tournament, to scheduling a tennis match around a completely unrelated football game. Let's please speak out about real injustices in the world, not the "sexism" that is occurring in Wimbledon. Sure, the scheduling may be crap, but it's shafting Djokovic and Nadal, more than it is Serena and Kerber. Let's keep things in perspective.
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You are a voice of reason.

Sadly, in the case of the OP, it will fall on deaf ears as has been the case for pretty much his entire posting history.

He has dedicated his life here on doing only one thing.

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They can wait another hour or two, heavens sake, these are professionals.

Suppose it was raining and they did not have any roof, what then? Then they would have to wait until God knows when. At least they know they will be on at the earliest 60 to 90 minutes after the continuation of the men's second semi, so they can adjust everything from the start of the day. Overreaction IMO.
 
Eh, I don't see an issue with the choice of scheduling here. Nadal and Djokovic had to wait for several hours yesterday being ready to play a match. The women won't have to wait more than 2 hours more than expected even in a worst case scenario.
 
Hitman said:
They can wait another hour or two, heavens sake, these are professionals.

Suppose it was raining and they did not have any roof, what then? Then they would have to wait until God knows when. At least they know they will be on at the earliest 60 to 90 minutes after the continuation of the men's second semi, so they can adjust everything from the start of the day. Overreaction IMO.
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Everything you said perfectly fits the men’s SF. They can wait another hour or two for heavens sake, these are professionals. Suppose it was raining and they did not have any roof, what then? Etc. etc. :rolleyes:
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Everything you said perfectly fits the men’s SF. They can wait another hour or two for heavens sake, these are professionals. Suppose it was raining and they did not have any roof, what then? Etc. etc. :rolleyes:
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They dealt with it fine yesterday, didn't they? Produced amazing level of tennis. Serena and Kerber are capable of doing the same, and again, they don't have to worry about playing an another match tomorrow. This is the right order of play, period.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Everything you said perfectly fits the men’s SF. They can wait another hour or two for heavens sake, these are professionals. Suppose it was raining and they did not have any roof, what then? Etc. etc. :rolleyes:
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No, they have to play the next day. Serena and Kerber are not playing any more matches after this one, all they will do is interviews, and sit around waiting for the Wimbledon champions ball. I see no reason why they cannot wait another 60 to 90 minutes, when for nearly a hundred years, players have been at the mercy of the weather and did not know when they would get on the court. At least these two know, they will be one at least 60 to 90 after the start of that men's match. These are two top class professionals, they can wait a little.
 
Wander said:
Eh, I don't see an issue with the choice of scheduling here. Nadal and Djokovic had to wait for several hours yesterday being ready to play a match. The women won't have to wait more than 2 hours more than expected even in a worst case scenario.
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The men had to wait because of the men. The women have to wait because of the men. There is a difference. Also there’s is a SF whilst this is the final.
 
Wander said:
They dealt with it fine yesterday, didn't they? Produced amazing level of tennis. Serena and Kerber are capable of doing the same, and again, they don't have to worry about playing an another match tomorrow. This is the right order of play, period.
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Seems that many, many others disagree with you :) but it’s nice that it suits you.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
This problem could've been easily solved by organizing the men to play after the ladies final which also would've given them more time to rest..

It's not the women's fault that Isner/Anderson play such boring servebot tennis.
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Nadal and Djokovic would need to rest before the final. They were ready for Bo5 yesterday anyway. And they already waited ages to start playing yesterday

Secondly, the men's match won't have on court interviews and no trophy ceremony afterwards, so there would be less time between the two.

Thirdly. Nadal and Djokovic are starting in the 4th set. It's possibly only one set and 2 at the very maximum, whereas the women's match can be a full 3 set match
 
Most of you guys would be completely upset if the men's final were a 'Not before...' because a women's semifinal had to be completed before. And rightly so!
Organisers should have stuck with the women's final schedule and organised everything around it.
 
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