Acceleration at contact (observations on Sampras's running FH)

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
What I'd like to discuss here is the speed and acceleration of the racket during the takeback loop and during the attack of the ball at contact.

Let's use Sampras's running forehand as an example, because we have this magnificent closeup clip (OK, no high speed cameras, but free, and available to everyone)
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/sampras04.htm Running Reverse FH
(site is slow, be patient)
link - courtesy Exile
(use the slider on the left to slow motion)

Pls scroll down the slow-motion slider at the left of the picture to make the frames move at the slowest speed possible. This is important in order to observe the maximum of details.

Several things can be observed then:

1. Sampras is bringing the racket with the butt towards the ball up to the very latest moment (i.e. when the grip is right behind his right knee), even if he uses an Eastern FH grip, which presumably presents more difficulty in terms of establishing the proper racket face orientation and stability at contact.

2. After that, he starts the rotation of the racket in order to orientate its face perpendicular to the trajectory of the ball at contact.

3. The contact is something like 1 foot before his right knee.

The duration of the whole takeback loop (measured at the slowest frame speed I could get), up to the point described at item 1, is of about 9 frame periods (we're using here very rough time units, sorry), divided into 5 for the backwards movement and 4 for the advancing movement of the racket. This is a relatively short takeback loop, which is motivated by Sampras's style and the fact that he's under pressure in this particular circumstance. During it, the racket face is closed (facing the ground) but not fully. This close orientation of the racket face is quite important for keeping the ball in the court.

From item 1 to item 3 (contact), the duration is only of a frame period. The grip advances here only for about a foot, but the racket head, because of the rotation, covers something like 3-4 feet, of course in an arc resembling a quarter of an circle. The rotation of the racket axis is of about 90 degrees between 1 and 3. One can easily see that this is where the racket head suffers is major acceleration, and as a result it covers the largest distance between two subsequent frames.

One of the points which I want to make is that we should emphasize relative slowness and control during the takeback up to item 1, and acceleration and stability during 1 to 3. The "linearization" or "hitting 4 balls in a series" which has been discussed lately here, takes place in this interval.

Up to item 1, the major effort of Sampras is placing his body and the racket in alignment with the incoming ball, for a a maximum control and power at impact.

From 1 to 3, he's focussing on the acceleration and stabilization of the head of the racket.

There's of course a low to high movement of the racket towards the ball, in order to impart topspin, but it's not that accentuated, in order not to lose power.

The followthrough is relatively high and over his right shoulder (thus we're dealing with a "reverse forehand" here), but of course, it is not there that the speed and the trajectory of the ball is defined. It is defined of course by the racket-ball interaction at impact. Still, the followthrough is part of a continuum in the movement of the racket and should not be neglected.

Many amateurs make the error of trying to speedup the whole FH loop, instead of focussing on control and direction during most of it (including the pure takeback), and stability and acceleration during the very last part of it.

Also, they do not bring the racket butt towards the ball in the proper manner during the attack of the ball. One can observe the arm is quite straight during this interval (typical for the Eastern grip users), with one notable exception, at contact, where the elbow is a little bit bent, which is required by the leverage needed by the shot.

The torso/shoulders rotate only for about 90 degrees from takeback to followthrough, which guarantees less strain for the body. The power comes from this shoulder rotation but mostly from the upper arm rotation at the shoulder.

No significant wrist movement is observed, thus the risk of wrist injuries is minimized.

The knees are kept low throughout, in a very athletic stance, in order to keep the gravity center as much as possible aligned and behind the ball, to create stability and support. "Stepping into the shot" and the transfer of weight is obvious. Also, Sampras is moving in an arc intersecting the trajectory of the incoming ball, perhaps similar to what's recommended at revolutionarytennis.com and other sites. This would of course help the weight transfer, much more than what moving along a line parallel to the baseline would do.

P.S. In order to see all the great Sampras video clips available at that site, pls go to:
http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/tujie.htm
Go to Pete Sampras section
and click on the Chinese characters in the left-most column to select one of the 7 clips.
(use the slider on the left to slow motion)
 

paulfreda

Hall of Fame
Marius
Thank you for the wonderful analysis here.
I have to disagree that there is "no significant wrist movement" though.
Slow it down and see the frame prior to contact where his hand is near his knee.
You can see a near 90 degree wrist layback here. (it is very close to zero before this point)
The next frame has the ball about 2 inches from the strings and his wrist is now about 20-30 degrees laid back.
Finally, just after the hit, he has a straight arm with zero degrees layback.
So in a very short time and distance interval he has gone from 90 to 0.
It is almost like he is slapping the ball.
It is much more complex than that, of course, but he is definitely using the wrist in an
active and "educated" way.
JMHO
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
Paulfreda I'll have to respectfully disagree with your conclusion that Sampras "is definitely using the wrist in an active and 'educated' way" and side w/ Marius on this one. Don't forget that the forward part of the stroke is happening at incredible velocity. I think we can all agree that this massive acceleration begins when Sampras's racket reaches its lowest point as Sampras aligns the racket's butt cap toward the point of contact. What I think you are mistakenly interpreting as an active lay back and forward slap is actually the result of pure Newtonian physics. Acceleration, inertia and mass. From the point that Sampras initiates the massive acceleration of his racket, pulling the butt forward during the contraction phase and then employing the internal rotation of the upper arm from the shoulder, what you are describing as an active layback is actually the mass of the racket lagging behind the rotation of the arm as it accelerates to incredible speed from a relative standing start. Much like the mass of your body "lags behind" as it is pressed back into the driver's seat under the "g-force" generated by a performance car under heavy acceleration, even from a rolling start. What you are seeing as active wrist layback is actually Sampras's elastic forearm muscles being momentarily stretched as the racket's mass lags behind his arm. Then, just as your body mass quickly "catches up" to the speed of the hot rod and you no longer feel as if you are being pushed back into the drivers seat, Sampras's elastic lower arm muscles return to their pre-stretched state, like a rubber band, and the racket "catches up" just prior to contact. The familiar lay back of the eastern fh grip can be seen at contact as well as at the height of the backswing and the follow thru. This stretch and recovery of the forearm muscles seen in the Sampras forehand is analogus to the "backscratch" position achieved during a high velocity serve when the racket and lower arm lag behind the stretched shoulder and upper arm muscles under acceleration during the rest of the body's rotation/extension toward contact. A position that simply CANNOT be achieved by the server actively contracting arm or shoulder muscles.

JM very wordy HO

Marius, thanx for the interesting analysis.
 

JohnYandell

Hall of Fame
Wow FiveO

Just curious but are you a graduate student in biomechanics--or myabe you laready have the Phd? Seriously though that is one of the most concise and clear descriptions of a piece of stroke video I've read that actually uses the terminology in an understandable fashion. And OK, I happen to agree with you about the passive wrist action.
 

paulfreda

Hall of Fame
Wrist release

FiveO ... I understand and agree with everything you said up until your phrase "catches up". I think one consciously has to allow the wrist to release since one can also consciously hold on and drive thru the ball with a fully laid back wrist if one so chooses. Since the "educated" wrist release is at the end of the biomechanical chain, it can be quite independent of a well executed biomechanically natural stroke.

My use of the word "slap" is not what I intended to mean; notice I used the phrase "..... almost like he is slapping ...". He of course is NOT.

Since this clip is a reverse forehand, he will finish just after contact with zero degrees of layback as that is the nature of the shot. But were he hitting a crosscort off FH from the add court, his wrist would not release very much, if at all.

In the Vic Braden tape with Arthur Ashe and Stan Smith called Tennis Our Way, Smith describes his FH technique. At the end he says he first learned to hold his wrist thru the shot, but that his college coach taught him to let it "release a little".

My apologies to any teaching pros who I am offending with this opinion. It just seems like common sense to me that the large wrist layback change (90 deg to 0 deg) in such short distances and time shown by videos proves that wrist release is an important part of advanced tennis technique for certain shots.
 

Fatmike

Semi-Pro
Marius_Hancu said:
Many amateurs make the error of trying to speedup the whole FH loop, instead of focussing on control and direction during most of it (including the pure takeback), and stability and acceleration during the very last part of it.

The power comes from this shoulder rotation but mostly from the upper arm rotation at the shoulder.

No significant wrist movement is observed, thus the risk of wrist injuries is minimized.

I was working on these points yesterday... I hit the best forehands I've ever hit...

especially the 1st point, I was focusing on hitting the ball with the sweetspot instead of hitting it hard, accelerating only at the end.... it worked really well... my forehand is really becoming a nice weapon.... I had only the serve, now forehand too... great
 

vin

Professional
I think Sampras' Eastern grip is worth noting with respect to this topic.

In relation to FiveO's comments, I think the eastern grip allows the wrist to lay back furthur resulting in a larger range of motion for the rebound of the 'g-force'.

In addition, the eastern grip positions more of the hand behind the handle which provides more leverage for the rebound.

Just a few thoughts. :)
 

Jet Rink

Semi-Pro
Wonderful work Marius.

Also, note how Pete is moving his body weight forward into the ball, once he begins his stroke.

So fluid...

Jet
 

FiveO

Hall of Fame
JohnYandell,

Wow, I guess, despite my best efforts to disguise it, my BS (the irony of that abbreviation has never been lost on me) degree just shines through. While my academic achievements in college can best be described as, shall we say, something less than stellar(?), I do have vague recollections of some science terms, even while retaining no memory of their meaning. I recall those terms and, from my Spanish language studies, how to ask 'Isabelle where the library is" and how to order "one beer, cold". Yep, that's about it.

Your post actually caused me to review my original post, and I see that I inadvertently ommitted a self depricating, paranthetical "I think" after the physics reference. I plead 'sleep deprivation' (another muddled memory of matriculation) on that.

Whatever knowledge of tennis I have, comes from many years competing, about 16 years experience teaching the sport but is mostly derived from a fairly extensive personal library of tennis instruction I have amassed over the years, in various media forms and much to my wife's chagrin. And which, if I'm not mistaken, contains some of your extremely informative work.

Being a visual learner but not the sharpest piece of cutlery in the kitchen, I always found it easier to form mental pictures and analogies to comprehend some of the concepts and then used them to learn and teach with. Thank God for the pictures in some of those books 'cause most of 'em use real big words, ya know.

Also, I'm sure in my contributions(?) to this board I've accidentally 'borrowed' while failing to footnote, cite or credit the original author as the source of the information (yet another scholastic shortcoming reflected in my GPA) which I would later use in articulating my observations, analogies and opinions on the sport.

So John, in closing, if I'm correct in assuming who you are, and I've unintentionally plagiarized any of your work in the past, please write it off as attibutable to my sub-par study habits and/or 'sleep deprivation' and don't sue me? Please?

Anyway, thanks for what I understand to be a compliment. (I think.)

FiveO
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Thank you for the nice words, everybody.
I've just added a P.S. at the bottom of my original posting for those of you not aware of all the video clips available at the site. In particular, there's another FH. It's great to see Pete again in such close-ups.
 

C_Urala

Semi-Pro
Unfortunately, the link to the Sampras' FH does not work anymore. Does anybody have another link to the same (or silmilar) clip?
Thank you in advance...
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
C_Urala said:
Unfortunately, the link to the Sampras' FH does not work anymore. Does anybody have another link to the same (or silmilar) clip?
Thank you in advance...

Wow, C_Urala, how have you been? Haven't seen your name in a few months.
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Unfortunately, yes, the pictures have disappeared from the server, as the account owner has graduated from that university.

I contacted Mr. Qinglin Luo. No answer yet.
 

nomad2070

New User
I think I have the clips. Given an address, I can share with you guys.

Marius_Hancu said:
Unfortunately, yes, the pictures have disappeared from the server, as the account owner has graduated from that university.

I contacted Mr. Qinglin Luo. No answer yet.
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
Exile said:
Small announcement to the people who used Q luo's page to access the sampras clips, I found the main site for you guys, there's a small stash of players to look at too.

http://www.dono.com.cn/tujie/tujie.htm

For some reason my mouse would not allow me to see anyone but

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Anna Kournikova}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

That was a classic running pose of Sampras as the background wallpaper though. Tremendous racquet control to run with the non-dominant arm off the racquet. Just an amazing man.
 
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