Accepting that you cannot use poly strings

Hansen

Professional
Option 1: String full bed IsoSpeed at 25kg

i wouldn‘t recommend full isospeed. i used the new control (not the original) for several years as a cross with poly mains, and really loved the comfort (if the other versions are even more comfortable they are even better). but spinfriendliness was really not a great strength of this string (i already tried it as a main with poly crosses and in full bed).
 

Happi

Hall of Fame
i wouldn‘t recommend full isospeed. i used the new control (not the original) for several years as a cross with poly mains, and really loved the comfort (if the other versions are even more comfortable they are even better). but spinfriendliness was really not a great strength of this string (i already tried it as a main with poly crosses and in full bed).

The new version of Isospeed Professional is quite different from the classic version, and you are correct, spin is not the strongest feature of this string. however @TennisViking was asking for comfort, and this string is the most constable I have ever played. Tomas Muster uset to play this string in FB strung at high tension.
 

Happi

Hall of Fame
Isn't X-One more powerful than professional classic by quite a bit? @Happi
Might wanna decrease the tension a bit on option 1.

Yes that would be logical, however Isospeed have more initial tension loss than most strings, then settles and plays well for a long time. I string Isospeed Professional Classic 1-2 kg higher than X-One to compensate for the initial tension loss. Yes X-One is a much more powerfull string, Isospeed is a muted comfortable control string.
 

Kevo

Legend
just to clarify, isospeed control and control classic are not the same string. control classic does not become stiffer at 60 than it is at 50, and ime does not feel any harsher. in fact, i would recommend high 50s or 60 for that string, even for those with sensitive arms.

I haven't played Isospeed Control or Pro in 15 years probably, so I don't know what the new version feels like. It's possible I could be mixing up my thoughts on it with one of the Head versions, but I think in the end I found them all to be quite similar in their behavior in terms of feel off the stringer, tension loss, and durability. Lux ACE and Rip Control were the best string combo I have ever played. I couldn't get it to last an hour, but man it was amazing. The control and feel of that combo was special. I will never forget that one for sure. RIP Control was the polyolefin ribbon string I played the longest. I think all of them are pretty good and can be very easy on the arm. It's the tension loss over time and the durability that killed them for me.
 

Happi

Hall of Fame
I haven't played Isospeed Control or Pro in 15 years probably, so I don't know what the new version feels like. It's possible I could be mixing up my thoughts on it with one of the Head versions, but I think in the end I found them all to be quite similar in their behavior in terms of feel off the stringer, tension loss, and durability. Lux ACE and Rip Control were the best string combo I have ever played. I couldn't get it to last an hour, but man it was amazing. The control and feel of that combo was special. I will never forget that one for sure. RIP Control was the polyolefin ribbon string I played the longest. I think all of them are pretty good and can be very easy on the arm. It's the tension loss over time and the durability that killed them for me.

Isospeed makes RIP Control for Head so they are kind of the same breed
 
What about multifilament strings that perhaps move less around ? Any suggestions ? If doing a hybrid with natural gut and a comfy multi, could that perhaps make the multi strings get stuck less ?

Last year I had a Vcore 100 and a Ezone 100 (which I still use). I had initially Velocity multi strings in both. The string moved around too much in the Vcore 100 which drive me crazy. In the Ezone they stayed quite ok in place; I assume in the Vcore 100 they moved around due to the more open string pattern and due to the grommets that are designed for string movement.

In the end I sold the Vcore 100, perhaps a bit silly decision in hindsight as it is slightly more comfortable than the Ezone 100.

I really dislike having to move the strings after every longer rally…….
 

Happi

Hall of Fame
What about multifilament strings that perhaps move less around ? Any suggestions ? If doing a hybrid with natural gut and a comfy multi, could that perhaps make the multi strings get stuck less ?

Last year I had a Vcore 100 and a Ezone 100 (which I still use). I had initially Velocity multi strings in both. The string moved around too much in the Vcore 100 which drive me crazy. In the Ezone they stayed quite ok in place; I assume in the Vcore 100 they moved around due to the more open string pattern and due to the grommets that are designed for string movement.

In the end I sold the Vcore 100, perhaps a bit silly decision in hindsight as it is slightly more comfortable than the Ezone 100.

I really dislike having to move the strings after every longer rally…….

The best multi I have found for not moving around is TF Multifeel black, it has almost a poly like snapback. I use it as my favorite cross string for other multies or gut, fine too in FB…
 
The best multi I have found for not moving around is TF Multifeel black, it has almost a poly like snapback. I use it as my favorite cross string for other multies or gut, fine too in FB…
Thanks. What about Natural Gut? Does it move around as much as some multi strings ?
 
And what about comfort level between a good multi in 1.20 or 1.30?

I use 1.30 usually as it lasts longer, but perhaps if comfort level is increased significantly by going thinner , perhaps I need to look into that.
 

Happi

Hall of Fame
And what about comfort level between a good multi in 1.20 or 1.30?

I use 1.30 usually as it lasts longer, but perhaps if comfort level is increased significantly by going thinner , perhaps I need to look into that.
I play X-One in 1.18, 1.24 and 1.30 and found very little difference in comfort level. With Poly strings its another story.
 

Internety

New User
When is it time to restring a multi? I’m playing full bed wilson sensation in the ezone 100 and the strings are all over the place after 2 sessions.
 

morten

Hall of Fame
When is it time to restring a multi? I’m playing full bed wilson sensation in the ezone 100 and the strings are all over the place after 2 sessions.
They are fine after two sessions, strings all over the place is normal for a multi. Try a round poly in the crosses next time, 5 pounds lower tension. Then the strings will stay in place.
 

tele

Semi-Pro
When is it time to restring a multi? I’m playing full bed wilson sensation in the ezone 100 and the strings are all over the place after 2 sessions.
Higher tensions can mitigate string movement to a certain extent, and there are some multis that move much less than others - multifeel and nxt control are particularly good in that respect. As @morten responded, a smooth and slick poly in the crosses (e.g. isospeed cream) will help prevent string movement, but you would need to change the strings regularly to protect your arm. You can safely play a full bed of multi or syn gut until it breaks.
 
And what about comfort level between a good multi in 1.20 or 1.30?

I use 1.30 usually as it lasts longer, but perhaps if comfort level is increased significantly by going thinner , perhaps I need to look into that.
I think it depends on the string, sometimes the thinner guages are softer and sometimes they are not. Reflex and Premier Touch I do find softer in 17ga (1.25). You won't find many multis available in 18ga I think, but there are perhaps one or two
 
Thanks again for your replies. I have used X-One in 1.34 and thought it moved very little in my Ezone 100. So, it seems in general people find that string gauge for multi strings does not affect comfort level so much. That’s good to know.
I have just got my racquet back with NRG2 and will try them out this weekend. Fingers crossed helps a little bit. This thread is really good. Very helpful info. Thanks again to all of you.
 

Internety

New User
Higher tensions can mitigate string movement to a certain extent, and there are some multis that move much less than others - multifeel and nxt control are particularly good in that respect. As @morten responded, a smooth and slick poly in the crosses (e.g. isospeed cream) will help prevent string movement, but you would need to change the strings regularly to protect your arm. You can safely play a full bed of multi or syn gut until it breaks.
Thanks

So if i keep playing with full bed multi until it breaks what are the disadvantages of having strings that are out of place? Is the control less for example than when the strings are still right in place?
 

veelium

Hall of Fame
Thanks

So if i keep playing with full bed multi until it breaks what are the disadvantages of having strings that are out of place? Is the control less for example than when the strings are still right in place?
Minimally different control. Imo more cosmetic than anything.
Many tennis players are very ritualistic and absolutely hate having the strings out of place but it's not a big deal.
 

tele

Semi-Pro
Thanks

So if i keep playing with full bed multi until it breaks what are the disadvantages of having strings that are out of place? Is the control less for example than when the strings are still right in place?
Some of the more controlled multis(triax, multifeel, velocity, nxt control) coincidentally snap back better, but it is not a prerequisite. i second what @veelium said above. however, if your strings are moving a ton right off the bat, you may be stringing them too low, which will affect control. IME, basically all multis play best somewhere in the 50s, even in a low powered racquet.
 

veelium

Hall of Fame
@Happi (or anyone else). Have you tried using Rip control as a cross string in hybrids? Doesn't seem to fray too quickly and the ripples might help string movement, I'd guess.
I've only used it as mains in the intellitour hybrid.
 

TBM

Rookie
Just thought I'd give an update 4 weeks into my physio therapy.

Unfortunately my shoulder is feeling worse and the workout routine is only aggravating my shoulder further. I'm not sure if it's supposed to get worse before it gets better, but I was hoping for more positive results.

I'm going for another visit in a couple of weeks where hopefully we can try something else.
 
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born_hard

Rookie
Check this video out, and try to do some exercices, begin slow and with little weight. Do it every day.
Just though I'd give an update 4 weeks into my physio therapy.

Unfortunately my shoulder is feeling worse and the workout routine is only aggregating my shoulder further. I'm not sure if it's supposed to get worse before it gets better, but I was hoping for more positive results.

I'm going for another visit in a couple of weeks where hopefully we can try something else.


 
Just thought I'd give an update 4 weeks into my physio therapy.

Unfortunately my shoulder is feeling worse and the workout routine is only aggregating my shoulder further. I'm not sure if it's supposed to get worse before it gets better, but I was hoping for more positive results.

I'm going for another visit in a couple of weeks where hopefully we can try something else.
Definitely check with physio re 'good' pain & 'bad' pain aspect.
 

TBM

Rookie
Just played my first tennis Match since Nov 22 and my shoulder felt great. It feels 95% back to normal, and only has the tiniest bit of stiffness when I wake up but that quickly goes away. No pain at all whilst playing tennis.

I played with my Prokennex Black ace 285 (customised to 315g strung) with Velocity MLT @52lbs. It felt soft as a pillow.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Just played my first tennis Match since Nov 22 and my shoulder felt great. It feels 95% back to normal, and only has the tiniest bit of stiffness when I wake up but that quickly goes away. No pain at all whilst playing tennis.

I played with my Prokennex Black ace 285 (customised to 315g strung) with Velocity MLT @52lbs. It felt soft as a pillow.
Take really care with the 5%.....
 
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veelium

Hall of Fame
Just played my first tennis Match since Nov 22 and my shoulder felt great. It feels 95% back to normal, and only has the tiniest bit of stiffness when I wake up but that quickly goes away. No pain at all whilst playing tennis.

I played with my Prokennex Black ace 285 (customised to 315g strung) with Velocity MLT @52lbs. It felt soft as a pillow.
Happy for you
 
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koolio

Rookie
I'm aiming to get back into tennis slowly.

I taking all the pace out of my first serve and wont be playing more than once a week until im back at 100%.
What was the root cause and fix for your shoulder issue?

I can attest to “hangs”, makes a huge difference. I bought the book from the Ortho who promoted this for healing the shoulder. Great book of people want to read the details of why it works.
 

Hansen

Professional
I can attest to “hangs”, makes a huge difference. I bought the book from the Ortho who promoted this for healing the shoulder. Great book of people want to read the details of why it works.
i also had shoulder problems from weight lifting, also read the book and used this method but got the nastiest capsule inflamation you could imagine. not sure that the hanging was the reason but since i stopped all other exercises it would me sense. just my experience.
 

TBM

Rookie
What was the root cause and fix for your shoulder issue?

I can attest to “hangs”, makes a huge difference. I bought the book from the Ortho who promoted this for healing the shoulder. Great book of people want to read the details of why it works.

I developed bicep tendonitis simply from over use and testing so many strings and rackets. The pain would come back instantly when I used Poly strings. Also, when I initially started getting discomfort I didn't take enough time away to rest.

I started to hang as a form of therapy, but my left shoulder (my good one) started to develop discomfort so I stopped doing it.

The bicep tendons that run into the shoulder are very easily aggravated by stretching, and a lot of recommended rotator cuff strengthening exercises can also make it worse.

I watched a video on youtube that suggested focusing on massaging the bicep itself to reduce the stress on the tendons, and since doing that I noticed a rapid reduction in my discomfort. Id say ive been doing that for 3 weeks and my issue is pretty much gone.

In my case I use a massage gun on the meat of the bicep for about 5 minutes a couple times a day.
 
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liftordie

Hall of Fame
I developed bicep tendonitis simply from over use and testing so many strings and rackets. The pain would come back instantly when I used Poly strings. Also, when I initially started getting discomfort I didn't take enough time away to rest.

I started to hang as a form of therapy, but my left shoulder (my good one) started to develop discomfort so I stopped doing it.

The bicep tendons that run into the shoulder are very easily aggravated by stretching, and a lot of recommended rotator cuff strengthening exercises also make it worse.

I watched a video on youtube that suggested focusing on massaging the bicep itself to reduce the stress on the tendons, and since doing that I noticed a rapid reduction in my discomfort. Id say ive been doing that for 3 weeks and my issue is pretty much gone.

In my case I use a massage gun on the meat of the bicep for about 5 minutes a couple times a day.
I have the same but with the triceps...
 
Mine is triceps too. What solutions have worked for you?
Lift one arm overhead, massage down the line from triceps through rim of armpit (you should feel the bottom tip of scapula here) to roughly the the base of ribcage, do the same for the other, repeat maybe a couple times, then lie down on back with both arms overhead focusing on calm breathing and feeling the relaxation.
 

sherpa

New User
For me as I got older I started lowering the tension in my tweener rackets and started to look for other options other than full poly. In reality though after using poly for so long I really could never get the same spin/ feel with any other setup. The best thing I have done is to ditch the tweeners and purchase a couple of Blade 104's, the much lower flex of these rackets means I can still use a full bed of poly with no issues at all. The 104 head size gives almost as much power as a tweener but with much more control and feel.
 

Casper777

Professional
For me as I got older I started lowering the tension in my tweener rackets and started to look for other options other than full poly. In reality though after using poly for so long I really could never get the same spin/ feel with any other setup. The best thing I have done is to ditch the tweeners and purchase a couple of Blade 104's, the much lower flex of these rackets means I can still use a full bed of poly with no issues at all. The 104 head size gives almost as much power as a tweener but with much more control and feel.

Same here... switched to the Gravity line and more than ok even with a medium firm poly. But as some say thay can't even play a soft frame with an hybrid. In that case there are plenty of great multi out there now... Velocity, triax, HDMX, Vanquish are my favorites.
 
Lift one arm overhead, massage down the line from triceps through rim of armpit (you should feel the bottom tip of scapula here) to roughly the the base of ribcage, do the same for the other, repeat maybe a couple times, then lie down on back with both arms overhead focusing on calm breathing and feeling the relaxation.
@TimePlease I would add to this you can also do the whole thing lying down to allow for quicker interval from loosing to consolidation phase. And don't forget as you are massaging to notice other places tension branches off and follow down them too. I often find the muscles in the center of the upper back have issues too when I do this myself. The key is to just understand tight triceps as not only tight triceps itself but also a reflection of tightness in the parts of the body surrounding it. If you've ever been to a physio and heard them talk about pain referring this is the same idea.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Mine is triceps too. What solutions have worked for you?
The only solution is to stop playing until you recover completely. When you feel better, you have to stretch and massage. You can also take one or two ibuprofen 400 per day.
And of course never play again with poly and/or stiff frame!
 

TimePlease

Semi-Pro
The only solution is to stop playing until you recover completely. When you feel better, you have to stretch and massage. You can also take one or two ibuprofen 400 per day.
And of course never play again with poly and/or stiff frame!
I was away from tennis for 6 months last year but in all that time, my arm didn't heal at all. Then I decided to make a cautious return along with building up muscle strength and flexibility doing lots of swimming training, which definitely helped the tennis injury. I also did a bit of massage and stretching here and there, but not intensively. After 3-4 months I was able to play with poly hybrids again without much problem and although the injury is still there, it doesn't stop me playing and isn't impeding my performance much anymore. So in my particular case, stopping playing didn't seem to help at all, and I think it was the swimming that loosened things up and built up new strength, which seemed to do the trick.
 

ey039524

Semi-Pro
At some point, your injury is already healed. I made the mistake of playing w my non-dominant hand for over a year bc of TE. In that time, I tried multiple remedies, including cortisone, PT, prolotherapy. It wasn't until I read that you have to break up the scar tissue, which is the cause of pain, through deep tissue massage, that I've been pain free since. And it only took a few days of digging in w my thumb while on the computer or watching TV.
 
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